Alabama teen promgoer chooses suspension over PADDLING for "skimpy dress"

[Bluebear]

PHOTO: Miss DeRamous with her "shocking" dress

As high school seniors in Calhoun County and across the country continue to board limousines and purchase corsages in the coming weeks for their proms, many will come under the scrutiny of school administrators with varying interpretations of what is and is not appropriate formal wear.

Deramous was one of about 25 Oxford High students who were disciplined for violating the dress code at her school’s prom Saturday. The students in violation were allowed to stay at the prom, but the following week, each was given the option of receiving corporal punishment or accepting a three-day suspension from school, Oxford principal Trey Holladay said.

“We’re using the same policy we’ve had for the last five years,” Holladay said. “Being a parent, I want to make sure girls and guys act accordingly. We’re a high school and our community has certain expectations of what is appropriate.”...

Students were paddled because they "violated school policy stating that dresses cannot have cleavage falling below the breastbone or hems more than 6 inches above the knee."

DeRamous, chose suspension because she did not want to be hit. Plus, she felt her dress was appropriate. Her mother also believes the dress was fitting.



http://annistonstar.com/view/full_story/6892751/article-What-not-to-wear-?instance=home_lead_story
http://www.examiner.com/x-30548-Fall-River-Parenting--Education-Examiner~y2010m4d1-Students-spanked-at-prom-for-dressing-inappropriately

[alp227]

1. Is it 1960 or 2010 there?

Gosh, suspension? What direct harm did those students have on others besides making prudes cry? And the other choice was CORPORAL PUNISHMENT? How old are those students again?

[Bluebear]

2. 1960 sounds advanced for this situation.

[NotThisTime]

60. More like 1940, take the suspension anyday....

[lysosome]

18. No kidding! If they wanted to inforce the dress code, have someone stand at the door and not let...

them in, not have the prom and hit them later!

[marshall]

87. She should have just stripped down buck naked like Erykah Badu in Dealey Plaza

And asked them if that was better than her dress.

If you got it, nobody knows unless you flaunt it.

[depakid]

3. Proving Kevin Rudd was right about Alabama

[tularetom]

4. Were they gonna make 'em wear the "skimpy dresses" while they paddled them?

Sounds like a job for Squeezy McFeelpants.

[EFerrari]

11. No kidding. n/t

[Ken Burch]

22. Damn...you beat me to it!

This is clearly some sort of fetish fulfillment wish on the part of the school district.

Another question, though...would they make the teens wear the dresses, or the people spanking them?

[rfranklin]

48. No, bare bottom paddling is de rigeur...

Must teach them a lesson...

[Matariki]

5. Paddling a high school student for showing cleavage?

All they need to do is start up those secret laptop web cams while they do that and they can fund a bunch of school projects with income from the porn they're making. Seriously. Who in the hell thinks paddling teen age girls for dressing 'skimpily' is anything but sexual?

[Bluebear]

7. Notice that they allowed the young ladies to stay at the prom so they could be "observed"

The paddlings came a week later.

[Mz Pip]

6. That's a skimpy dress????

:wtf: Seriously, that's modest compared to some of the outfits I've seen students in for dances. Unless she was wearing it on her head or around her waist I don't really see the problem.

[TorchTheWitch]

106. actually, with her in it, it is

It barely covered her bottom, and she had most of her breasts exposed. If she'd gone for a larger size it would have been ok by most standards although not by the dress code of this school. From the style it seems clear to me that she wasn't trying to go for a sexy look anyway. On someone really thin and much smaller breasted it would have been fine (although perhaps too short by this school's standards)... and most likely that's what the model in the website photo looked like when she chose this dress online. Very often women aren't all that good translating what an outfit that they see a slim small breasted woman wearing would look like on their own body. I've made some really hilarious blunders buying some clothes online even when I really did try to imagine me in it. Hell, I've done that numerous times right in the store - looks great on the hanger, but in the dressing room... eeeeek! And women generally do have a tendency to try to mash themselves into smaller sizes somehow being blind to the fact that they'd looked ever so much better if they got a larger size that fit appropriately.

[Renegades of Funk]

8. Corporal Punishment

How is that even legal?

[Bluebear]

9. I would call it "assault", ROF.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. It shouldn't be

[Jamastiene]

109. Corporal punishment is practiced in much of the southeast.

A simple paddling is what most of us who grew up here prayed for. There is much much worse that happens to kids here. From forcing a kid to drink a gallon of water before bed to forcing a kid to sleep in the dog house (literally) on a 32 degree night, those are some of the things that happened just in my hometown a few years ago. There is worse, way worse.

It's just a fact of life. Still, I'm against it, naturally.

[Hello_Kitty]

10. Jesus, that's creepy.

Adults who want to paddle children and teenagers have issues. That's all I'm sayin'.

[Beako]

12. Paddling? Kids all over the country are going to be laughing at Alabama schools, I bet.

[omega minimo]

13. "The breastbone"?

:wtf:

[Bluebear]

53. sounds liek a cooking show, eh?

[KonaKane]

14. Paddling??? What kind of sick sexual fantasy will be involved with that?

On top of the fact that this is not supposed to be the Middle Ages anymore?

[TexasObserver]

15. A spanking for wearing skimpy clothes?

GOP congressmen usually pay extra for that.

[divvy]

86. Thats the best kind isn't it?

The girls that like to wear skimpy clothes are always the most fun to spank.

[protest_dude]

117. Oh... the memories....

They had paddling at my school in the rural midwest, even in the mid 90s.

I remember kids getting paddled for a lot of things.

I got spanked at home, but never in school. My parents wouldn't sign the form.

You could hear the swats from down the hall, like a gunshot going off.

Kids would have bruises.

I remember being in a grocery store once, and seeing a friend of mine's mom saying hi to the principal (small town.)

She says to the principal "if he's ever in your office, don't give him any second chances, paddle his butt good, pull his pants down if you have to, he needs it."

My friend is sitting their red-faced.

Conservatives are sick.

[liberalmuse]

16. She's lucky she isn't being caned.

I can't believe this is for real. I say we kick the old farts who made this rule in the nuts/ovaries since they seem to be the ones with the issues.

[JoeyT]

21. If you've ever seen the paddles they use in Alabama schools

caning might not be that far off.

The one our principal had was pretty much a 2 foot 2X6 with a handle cut into one end. I'm told that's pretty much the norm.
I was never on the receiving end of it. Found out years later that my mom apparently told him that not only was he not to paddle me, but that I'd happily defend myself if he tried. Then she'd file as many lawsuits as she could afford. I did see where it had left godawful bruises on other kids and could only think "Wow. Your parents suck ass if they aren't ready to kill over that."

So her choices were between suspension and aggravated assault, not a "paddling".

[14thColony]

27. That's what we had in Florida too.

In the 1970s and early 80s. But with "go faster" hole bored into it to reduce air drag.

[Jamastiene]

110. Yup.

Did the ones at your school also have the beveled, contoured edges for better aerodynamics too?

[AsahinaKimi]

97. Kids today would take the paddles away from them

and beat them up with it. Hell, I would have.

[WeekendWarrior]

17. Backwards fucks. I am so sick of these morons. nt

[dmr]

19. If the dress code was so important, then they should've sent them home

But it's not the dress code so much as it's about CONTROL.

Suspension or paddling? After the fact? You've got to be kidding!

If the kids dressed so inappropriately, then punish them right there on the spot, or leave it be.

Personally, I think the dress in the photo looks nice.

:grr:

[Kaleva]

20. She isn't RNC material.

[JI7]

23. april fools ?

is this even allowed ?

[Kablooie]

24. Sounds like one of those GOP bondage club fans was involved.

[upi402]

25. "act accordingly"?

according to what? god made us naked... so we're smarter now in Calhoun County?

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

26. "Bein' a hussie, That's a-paddlin"

[StrongBad]

37. LOL

I was gonna reference that scene somehow but you covered it just fine :)

[B Calm]

28. So the ones who give the principal a hard on, end up getting paddled?

[Bluebear]

38. something like that.

[B Calm]

79. Wow. . . Pretty Kinky stuff going on down there in Aldamnbama!

[tblue37]

101. He wants another--that's why. nt

[seabeyond]

29. dress code appropriate. paddling beyond stupid. nt

[Bluebear]

40. Appropriate yes, but THAT dress?

[seabeyond]

50. you really have to see it on. i saw a video yesterday, lol. nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

64. Why don't we show the video so people can judge for themselves? Here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/02/erica-deramus-chose-suspe_n_523083.html

[seabeyond]

67. i am thinking that is kinda exactly what i ..... suggested. nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

68. I thought of asking for a link, but then I remembered you said you have difficulty using Google

so I decided to search myself. It was very easy.

[seabeyond]

70. ha ha haha. lol, yup. put the info out there. look for self. it is EASY

for everyone it seems.

hubby gets everything.

i never get anything

i dont know.

but thanks for the link

i think the real issue is the shortness for a prom. they have rules 3 or 5 inches from knee. grabbing my ruler. gotta be five i heard. but i think the part of the dress that wasnt see thru was even shorter than the frilly short we saw on video.

anyway.... i know you think the dress is to die for. teasing. you like.

thanks for the video

she is cute as pie on the video though. wish her mom had been a little more responsible

[seabeyond]

72. btw. i saw it on cnn. was a little longer clip. nt

[alphafemale]

85. bwah HAHhahhah

:rofl:

There is no way of telling in the pic that all that frufru ends somewhere maybe? above her buttcheeks.

Still no call for physical assault, no matter how poor the taste.

[Echo In Light]

30. I know when I see that dress, mt first thought is that someone should beat that woman w/a board

:wtf: ... people are soooo fucked up

[MineralMan]

31. Uff da! I can visualize it now....

Principal Trey: You've been a baaad, baaad girl, you know. And you know what happens to bad girls, don't you?

Student: What do you mean, Mr. Trey?

Principal Trey: Well, dear, you'll have to be spanked. That's what happens to baaad, baaad girls like you. So, just bend over my desk here, flip your skirt up, and we'll teach you to do better.

Student: I don't want to be spanked, Mr. Trey.

Principal: You should have thought of that before you wore that nasty revealing dress, now, shouldn't you. I was watching you at the prom, strutting around with your "assets" on view. Oh, yes, I was watching very closely. Now just bend over the desk and I'll be finished soon.

[lolly]

75. All you need is a soundtrack

You know, that tell-tale porno beat in the background . . .

[Jamastiene]

111. Bomp chika wow wow bomp chika bow wow

:rofl:

[JerseygirlCT]

32. Serious question: is that even legal?

I'm stunned.

[noamnety]

43. Yes, it's legal in 20 states. (illegal in nearly all of Europe)

I know people get pissed when anyone criticizes public education, and I understand the reasons for that.

All the same, if I lived in a state where staff members are allowed to physically assault students as a normal part of public education, my kid would not have gone to that environment daily, free or not.

[JerseygirlCT]

54. Mine either. How in the world can something that would

be assault if it happened outside the building be ok inside?

[bamacrat]

45. I was born and spent the first 26 years of my life in Bama.

It is very legal. The first day of school when you are in elementary and middle school and maybe high school I cant remember, but a form is sent home with you that your parents must sign consent for you to be paddled. If they dont you will be sent home or put in ISS (In School Suspension). The first non parental spanking I got was in day care when I was about 3, I pushed a girl down. Kindergarten, third, sixth, tenth and eleventh were the only grades that I did not get paddled. I was not a bad kid usually I talked too much or one time I called a girl a butt hole in second grade, which was the punchline to a joke I had heard, but got paddled anyway. In high school if you were tardy five times in a semester you had a choice of writing 100 pledges, which were paragraph long diatribes about being a good person or three licks (what the called each hit). I tried to add it up once but I think I was paddled about 30 or 40 times in my school life. Only once did it actually hurt. Some teachers would swing as hard as they could but I never pissed them off. By the time I got to high school the paddler would grab the belt loop on the back of you pants and pull your pant up into your ass so as not create a cushion.

But that is public school, some of my friends that went to private schools in Alabama said that paddling or even touching a student was grounds for a law suit. Most teachers would let you sign the paddle afterwards as almost a badge of honor.

[Bluebear]

47. 'pull your pant up into your ass so as not create a cushion.'

Good heavens. I'm sorry you were subjected to that.

[JerseygirlCT]

55. That's child abuse, plain and simple. I cannot imagine the twisted

context in which that's allowed - by parents or teachers.

[bamacrat]

58. Most parents thought if they are disrupting to the point that they need it give it to them...

I don't think most of the parents knew the frequency it was used and reasons but it is what it is. Didn't warp me or anything. But one good thing if you want to consider it that is male teachers were not allowed to paddle girls. But female teachers could paddle guys. Growing up I never knew that paddling wasn't allowed in some places its just what happens.

Some people it doesn't work on, others it was a deterrent to disruptive behavior. I dont really think its child abuse. But if you are against spanking at all then i can see how it would appear that way.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

65. "Didn't warp me or anything"

Well, that's your opinion. Others may vary.

[bamacrat]

93. Yeah I know others will vary alot. I don't see a problem with it.

But thats me, Im a product of a school system that paddles, I don't feel I was beat, blood is never drawn, no bruises. Just a little shame and embarrassment that deter some form acting out again.

[JerseygirlCT]

74. Well, yes, the idea of hitting a child is just horrifying to me.

So yes, the idea of someone at school laying a finger on my kid in anything but affection...

No, not under any condition.

[bobbolink]

80. What's interesting is that it would be illegal to "lay a finger on a kid in affection".....

Think about how twisted we have become.

This is one very sick society.

[JerseygirlCT]

83. No hugs

but beatings ok.

Yeah, it's very, very twisted.

[BlooInBloo]

119. Gimme dat christiansidehug!

Imma ruff rider! Filled up with christ love!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnmTiqEikg

:rofl:

Maybe they allow that?

[blondeatlast]

120. Good point. Very good point. nt

[bamacrat]

95. I get peoples objection to it, but doesn't bother me. It doesn't really hurt...

more embarrassing than anything.

[bobbolink]

98. Sooo, humiliation is OK, as long as there is no physical pain?

#2. Children with different pain thresholds than yours... can just suck it up?

[bamacrat]

102. I think that people with lower pain thresholds don't act out as much

due to the fact that if punished it would hurt them more. No emotional pain is not good but paddling is hardly abuse.

[bobbolink]

107. "paddling is hardly abuse"

So, its OK if I walk up to you on the street and start paddling you?

You do that to others?

[bamacrat]

114. Yeah cause thats what I was saying.

It isn't just random paddlings in school. This is obviously a difference of how people were raised in school. I have friends who were never paddled in school and they can't believe it happens, others that were don't see anything abusing about it.

[bobbolink]

116. The obvious point is, if it is ASSAULT if done to an adult, then it is ASSAULT when it is a child.

I'm sure you can understand that.

This kind of denial and obliviousness is why we have children dying of abuse, and why we are so eager to bomb people different from US.

You keep wanting to excuse it, and I have come to the conclusion it is only for the sake of argument.

So, argue with someone else about it.

IT IS ASSAULT. PERIOD.

[ecstatic]

66. I was paddled at a private school in

Brooklyn, NY from pre-k through 3rd grade. I had no idea that was legal in public schools, especially in the 21st century.

[Jamastiene]

112. Apparently you never got a beating from some of my teachers

or principals. They made us grab our ankles and straighten our knees to stretch the skin on the butt so it would sink in harder when they hit. Most of my paddlings hit hard enough to make me lose my balance. They eventually made me stand up against the wall so I wouldn't fall over head first.

There were also no forms and no rules about males hitting females in my school. One of the most paddle happy teachers I had was male and he beat the girls more than he did the boys on a daily basis. It took up at least 15 minutes of class time for him to line students up for paddlings each and every day.

I guess it is different in each school district.

[PVnRT]

33. Skimpy? Whafuck?

That's pretty benign, from what I've seen. Not a bad looking dress at all, and the color looks like it would be good on her. That dress would only be mildly shocking in 1970, for fuck's sake.

Isn't all cleavage pretty much below the breastbone, anyway?

[rocktivity]

35. Adults disciplining teenage girls for wearing skimpy dresses by paddling them?

Mods, please lock--this is a sex thread!

:eyes:
rocktivity

[olegramps]

36. The article in the Examiner is ridiculous in that it attempts to justify beating kids.

[Dinger]

39. Beautiful Dress

I don't get it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

63. Only people who are seriously fucked up in the head would find that "inappropriate". -nt

[JI7]

82. i think the dress is ugly , not because it's too revealing or anything, just ugly in itself

[tigereye]

41. paddling seniors? Seriously? Paddling?

It's the prom, who cares?


If they are that prudish, why don't they just hand out cloth coverings, or something. Sounds like the Handmaid's Tale.


on edit, in a major city, that dress would be considered prudish... :rofl:

[UndecidedGuy]

42. I am not sure that corporal punishment is a good idea

When whole websites, videos, and magazines fetishize (spelling?) such actions.

Seems very inappropriate.

[JerseygirlCT]

56. I'm sure

it's always a very bad idea. No exceptions.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

44. This kind of story seems to come majorly from a certain subset of US states.

And before you start throwing a hissy fit, notice I said "majorly", not "always".

[Liberal_in_LA]

46. Paddling teenagers. Sounds perverted.

[Stuart G]

49. insane...How can this be true?????

[KamaAina]

51. And how many of the 25 students, like Ms. DeRamous, are African American?

:shrug:

[Ikonoklast]

52. RNC staffers pay good money for that kind of stuff.

Teachers in Alabama get to do it for FREE!!!!

Look for an upswing in demand from the RNC looking for teaching jobs in Alabalma.

[immoderate]

57. Suspension = Vacation. I could never figure that for a punishment.

--imm

[Mariana]

59. Three licks or three days. That brings me back.

That was the choice given for various infractions when I went to high school in Mobile in the '80's. It was in the handbook and everything. They had to have permission from the parents to use the paddle, obtained at the beginning of each year with a consent form, which my parents gleefully signed.

In my high school all paddling was done in the office. In the elementary schools and middle schools, teachers generally just took the kids out into the hall and did the deed there.

[protest_dude]

118. "You're A Communist Because You Were Never Spanked"

I was once told "You're a communist because your parents never spanked you."

I said "I have a few scars to disprove that theory. I'd be happy to drop my pants."

I doubt being beaten on the ass with a board in any way prevents you from having leftist political views. I've been paddled, belted, switched, etc. Yet, I still have a brain.

Maybe my views aren't the result of insanity, but actually a form of rationale political thought.

But you all know, leftists are all just whiney brats.

Conservative small mindedness.

[Nikki Stone1]

61. Student is from a minority group: what a surprise. Racism lives.

:(

[Quantess]

62. Paddling high school students is sick and backwards, no matter what.

But in this case, it's shockingly sick and backwards.

[Bluebear]

73. +

[dustbunnie]

69. I see I'm not the only one who thinks this is some weird fetish trip for nasty old guys. nt

[Naturalist111]

71. We have come soooo far!

[Dead_Parrot]

76. All the way up to 1867, it seems. nt

[Quantess]

78. Soooo far.... up that naughty lil' prom dress!

Paddlin' ensues. Or else suspension.

[Initech]

77. Talking out of turn,,, that's a paddlin'...

[Lucy Goosey]

81. This is why where I come from proms are not school sponsored events

I don't know if it's typical in Canada, or if it is just in my area, but our proms are organized and paid for by the students, and are held away from school premises with no teachers or other school personnel in attendance.

[Stephanie]

84. HuffPost - "The other 17 picked paddling."

Really?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/02/erica-deramus-chose-suspe_n_523083.html

Perhaps most shocking is that as punishment, DeRamus had to choose between suspension and being paddled...and of the 18 students who violated the dress code, DeRamus was the only one who chose suspension. The other 17 picked paddling.

[rcrush]

104. dupe

[Jamastiene]

113. Yeah, I can see that.

Most of my friends (me included) would pick the paddlings over ISS, because ISS was worse. We didn't have a choice though.

ISS was like staying all tensed up all day long for 3 to 5 days straight. They made you sit perfectly quiet in ISS where I'm from.

The paddling, on the other hand, was over after they hit you a few times. Then you could go on with your life until the next paddling. You get used to the paddlings even though they do hurt. Most children I knew who grew up with paddlings/beatings just did what we wanted to anyhow, because we knew the beatings would be there if we were guilty or not. Paddling is definitely not a deterrent. That much, I know for sure. It's just a way for adults to get their frustrations out and it's legal to hit kids where I live.

We always closed our eyes and mock prayed for the paddlings over ISS.

OSS was a whole different story. We'd DEFINITELY rather have that than ISS or the paddlings.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

88. When I read skimpy, I immediately thought of a skin tight dress that stopped

at the crotch and a plunging neckline stopping at the naval!

This is just ridiculous and I feel as if part of our country still lives in the middle ages. Maybe prom dress designers should include a line of haircloth sack dresses for next year?

:rofl:

[seabeyond]

90. do you know how short it is per picture? nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

92. Although the whole dress is not shown, there is enough fabric to show

that it isn't all that short. I think they were upset with the top of the dress. She seems to have a full bust from the photo and most likely fills the top out too much for their taste.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

94. Here's a video from CNN. Her dress was a couple of inches above her knees.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7311-Cultural-Trends-Examiner~y2010m4d1-Teenage-Alabama-girl-opts-for-suspension-rather-than-being-paddled-for-racy-prom-dress-video

[Stuckinthebush]

89. "We are not tolerant....of defiance"

As a teacher educator in Alabama I think this video will generate a lot of classroom discussion on the role of schools. Many of my students probably know this principal.

[aikoaiko]

91. I wonder what Kelly Pickler would have chosen?

Now that is a some prom dress.

[Bluebear]

96. WWKPD?

[K8-EEE]

103. LOL Bluebear.....n/t

[WinkyDink]

99. Paddling sounds a wee bit pervy, to me.

[benEzra]

100. The neckline of that dress would have been considered conservative in Victorian England.

WTF? And paddling high school girls?

[rcrush]

105. Alabama LOL

And people make fun of Texas. Hicks.

[a la izquierda]

108. It's a good thing we're bringing democracy to those...

Muslim countries, who treat their women so wonderfully...oh wait.


Give me a small flippin' break. The dress was fine. I saw worse at my senior prom, which was 15 years ago.

[pipi_k]

115. Too bad the boys didn't join in

to protest the stupid "dress code".

Would have been something to see, I'll bet.


Every single student, male and female, wearing a dress with "revealing cleavage" and 6 inches above the knee.


No wonder our kids get so fucked in the head. Lots of school officials are OK, but some are just idiots.

[blondeatlast]

121. Oh. My. Effing. Gawd. CLEAVAGE! Run for the hills; it's Satan himself

come for us!

Pardon me while I laugh again at the only state that makes my own look advanced in the education department.