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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:03 PM
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Robert Reich: The Fed Is In Hot Water:
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 01:04 PM by amborin
"The Fed has finally came clean. It now admits it bailed out Bear Stearns – taking on tens of billions of dollars of the bank’s bad loans – in order to smooth Bear Stearns’ takeover by JPMorgan Chase. The secret Fed bailout came months before Congress authorized the government to spend up to $700 billion of taxpayer dollars bailing out the banks, even months before Lehman Brothers collapsed. The Fed also took on billions of dollars worth of AIG securities, also before the official government-sanctioned bailout.
The losses from those deals still total tens of billions, and taxpayers are ultimately on the hook. But the public never knew. There was no congressional oversight. It was all done behind closed doors. And the New York Fed – then run by Tim Geithner – was very much in the center of the action.

This raises three issues.

First, only Congress is supposed to risk taxpayer dollars. The Fed is not part of the legislative branch. Its secret deals, announced almost two years after they were done, violate the democratic process, if not the Constitution itself. Thomas Jefferson put a stop to Alexander Hamilton’s idea of a powerful central bank out of fear it would be unaccountable to the public. The Fed has just proven Jefferson’s point.
Second, if the Fed can secretly bail out big banks, the problem of “moral hazard” – bankers taking irresponsible risks because they know they’ll be rescued – is far greater than anyone assumed after Congress and the Bush and Obama administrations bailed out the banks. Big banks will always be too big to fail because they know the Fed will secretly back them up if they get into trouble, even if Congress won’t do it openly.
Third, the announcement throws a monkey wrench into the financial reform bill now on Capitol Hill, which gives the Fed additional authority by, for example, creating a consumer protection bureau inside it. Only yesterday, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) blasted the Dodd bill for expanding the Fed’s authority “even as it remains shrouded in secrecy.”

The Fed has a big problem. It acts in secret. That makes it an odd duck in a democracy. As long as it’s merely setting interest rates, its secrecy and political independence can be justified. But once it departs from that role and begins putting billions of dollars of taxpayer money at risk — choosing winners and losers in the capitalist system — its legitimacy is questionable.
That it chose to reveal the truth about its activities during a week when Congress is out of town, when much of official Washington and the Washington media have gone on vacation, and only after several federal courts have held that the Fed must release documents related to its bailout of Bear Stearns, suggests it would rather remain secret than become transparent.
Much of what Ben Bernanke and Tim Geithner did (when Geithner was at the New York Fed) in 2008 was presumably necessary. But the public has no way of knowing. The public doesn’t even know who else the Fed has bailed out, or what entities it will bail out in the future. All we know is the Fed secretly bailed out Bear Stearns and AIG and thereby subjected taxpayers to risks that remain even today, without informing the public. That’s not a record on which to build public trust."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/01-7
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:06 PM
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1. No words for my rage
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:10 PM
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2. How the man keeps his job?
Tim came in under a cloud. He works under a cloud. Heck, he IS a cloud. And yet he keeps his job.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:13 PM
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4. Did you see his interview with Rachel Maddow?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:17 PM
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9. Nope
What was the jist?
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 04:06 PM
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22. Here's a link
It's in two parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR_wVoV3PnE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1lZmuUgSoc&feature=related


I was pretty surprised by the interview. It wasn't what I expected.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 09:12 PM
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29. Thank you. I missed it the night it was on TV,
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 09:12 PM by truedelphi
And have wanted to see it.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:59 AM
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60. Behind a firewall...
...can you help a girl out?

:(
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:08 AM
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50. Apparently all players have all agreed
to look forward.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:19 PM
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11. Hmm, so the sitting treasury secretary was at the center of one of, if not, the
rottenerest schemes ever? It could get interesting. :popcorn:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:41 PM
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38. Or mine, and it gets even worse when I think people would vote for the same bullshit again.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:10 AM
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51. So much for that "free" market
they keep telling us about.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:48 AM
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62. socialize the risk, privatize the profit...
the American way :(
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:04 PM
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69. I disagree, socializing implies everyone bears part of the burden
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 12:08 PM by liberation
I don't see any of these assholes bearing anything.

Their profits are private that is for sure, they simply stick us with their bills when they f*ck up. That is not socialist, and it plays into the meme of the right trying to demonize socialism by painting it as a bad thing.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:14 PM
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72. More of an Animal Farm
type of socialism- All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others :hi:
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:27 PM
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75. True, Orwell was so on the money (put intended) it is just not funny anymore
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 12:31 PM by liberation
Also we need to grasp the concept that a lot of these so-called crises are engineered. Every time one of these so-called market cycles bring calamity, they always end up in a massive wealth transfer upwards. And we need to stop being foolish enough to assume that happens by pure "coincidence."

That is another reason why I don't like the term "socializing loses." They are not "loses" they are exactly what the old Robber Barons of yore claimed them to be: the times when assets return to their rightful owners: the super wealthy.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:41 PM
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78. Spot on...
I never thought, when reading Orwell in high school, that I would see it in real life. But it has been creeping in, little by little. If we rationed chocolate, and that ration was reduced, I believe that at least 50% of our population could be led to believe it was increased.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:16 PM
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83. "But it has been creeping in, little by little."
Yet they are screaming we are in danger of SOCIALISM.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:25 PM
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85. Well, just like in 1984
they control the media and the message, so they control these idiots' minds.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 02:30 PM
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88. Ed Zackery
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:13 PM
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82. Good points.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:57 AM
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67. There has never been such a thing as a "free market" ever.
Capitalism like religion has to resort to "invisible" imaginary constructs to justify their bullshit.

I would not mind capitalism as much, if it weren't for all these assholes using abstract bullshit items like "markets" and "invisible hands" using "capital," expecting concrete and real labor in exchange. A "market" at the end of the day, regardless of it being "free" or not, is nothing more than an organized rip off.


The very definition of insanity implies a person doing the exact same thing, under the same circumstances, while expecting a different outcome each time. So we can make a very good case that humanity, as a species, has been displaying the defining characteristics of insanity for the better part of three or four millennium (at least). Even the Roman empire almost went under a few times due to credit crisis, for crying out loud.


Time to evolve... me thinks.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:50 AM
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53. I count 5
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:44 AM
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66. ah, no, those 5 were not any attempt to express feelings
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 11:45 AM by havocmom
but, when all ya have is snark, I guess you go with the snark, huh?

edited to add: But thanks for giving me cause to kick this thread back up.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:12 PM
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3. this should initiate some changes
long overdue. Transparency, creation of an independent consumer protection agency, new tougher regulations and less power for the fed perhaps?
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:54 PM
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16. You get "A"s for Optimism and Imagination
But we're talking about Congressional action here. Unless large numbers of us descend on the Capitol with torches, tar and feathers reform will probably be slow and inadequate.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:13 PM
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5. Meanwhile, we toil...
...trying to pay the mortgage/rent, the utilities, to buy food and clothing...trying to not get sick or injured...trying to make a better life for our children.

And for what?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 02:56 PM
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20. We pay their taxes, we pay their interest, we fight their wars for oil & empire
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 02:38 AM
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43. Precisely
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:57 AM
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59. not really, at least not me
I have probably earned as much interest as I have paid. So you are perhaps paying interest to me, a $14,000 a year part-time janitor. I also pay no income taxes, and mostly haven't for the last 9 years. The FICA taxes I pay are theoretically going for my own retirement or are otherwise supporting today's retirees and disabled. Neither I, nor anybody else in my immediate family has ever fought in a war. The closest I came to that was by working for DOD for a year and also having an ex-girlfriend who was ex-military.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 08:56 PM
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27. +1
I am so pissed right now I can barely type.
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #5
48. Exactly...
We are responsible, hard working, fiscally responsible, etc. and for what? Extremely discouraging.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:14 PM
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6. meanwhile, JP Morgan funds mountain top removal coal mining:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:14 PM
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7. Oh FUCK! The Ron Paul nuts are going to go absolutely apeshit!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:07 AM
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56. Yah, Ron Paul can say "see, I told yous so". And I have to admit this
has me very upset. Like the OP says, having a Fed that works to keep general stability in the system is one thing. Having a Fed that works in secret to help a select few with fraud is another.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:07 PM
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71. Being right for the wrong reasons, still counts as being wrong
Mr. Paul is correct in regards of monetary policy in the same manner a stopped watch tells the time correctly exactly twice a day.

I know logic ain't the forte of the average Paulista libertarian knuckledragger, but at the end of the day they are the ones pretending that a stopped watch is the most energy efficient manner of telling time.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:06 PM
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80. Except that he's right for the right reasons.
This is one of several areas where the left and the right are in agreement against the corporate authoritarian status quo. This generally includes our endless war (Military Industrial Complex), corporate welfare, illegal, unconstitutional monetary policy, and privacy rights. Unfortunately, Obama to is an obstacle to real change, having appointed or reappointed these crooks.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:22 PM
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84. It looks like he didn't just pick sympathizers of this type of policy
he picked THE crook himself who was instrumental in facilitating it (Geithner, sp?). I wonder if any House members will say anything about this. Congress seems just as scared as the WH about economic collapse so as to allow just about anything right now to keep everyone from freaking out again.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:53 PM
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79. If I could rec a reply I would rec this one
So much of the fed opposition is comical conspiracy nonsense that it often makes anybody who has legitimate criticism look foolish by association
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:16 PM
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8. This is why secrecy in a Democracy is a cancer.
The bond between classmates, friends, business associates and colleagues is stronger than the obligation to tell the truth to the people who actually own the money given away.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 08:49 PM
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26. You are so right.
Its like that with many things in life; they're not different from many others.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:02 AM
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45. Yes it is. It needs to be cured with some RICO indictments n/t
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will_in_chicago Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:09 AM
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61. An appropriate quote
Your remark reminded me of the words of Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis:


Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:35 AM
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65. I wish we were a democracy. nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:18 PM
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10. NPR March 2008
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88415067

"The Federal Reserve's decision to extend credit to the ailing investment bank Bear Stearns is an unprecedented move. And the Fed took additional steps to address a crisis of confidence on Wall Street."
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:25 PM
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12. K&R. we should keep this kicked as one of the most important issues
so few want to talk about that there is.


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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:31 PM
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13. I suspect this type of activity has been going on for some time
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 01:31 PM by Winterblues
Especially under the Bush* Cabal....Is there a way to audit them?
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:22 AM
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47. Timmy was head of the NY Fed from 2003-2008 he was
at the heart of the Bush/Cheney machine. That he is now a central part of the Obama destruction speaks volumes. Face it, the common people have almost no friends in the administration or congress.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:36 PM
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14. Kick and Rec
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:41 PM
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15. ack. sorry for the unrec
it was an accident. is there an undo?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 01:57 PM
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17. "The Fed" - More back-door deals than every porn movie in history combined.
Guaranteed to be a blockbuster.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 02:12 PM
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18. goo luck removing Geithner..look here at back ground of Obama and Geithner shall we
I have posted this many times here in the past year :

for those that missed it..

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

shortly after taking office..Obama asked Henry Kissinger..knick name.."The Butcher of Cambodia"..to represent his administration in Talks with Russia..

lets look as some serious connections here of Geithner , Kissinger and Obama...shall we..( edit to add: much of this i have posted many times in the past.)


TIMOTHY GEITHNER

Biography

Early life and education
Geithner was born in Brooklyn, New York.<2> He spent most of his childhood living outside the United States, including present-day Zimbabwe, Zambia, India and Thailand, where he completed high school at International School Bangkok.<3> He then attended Dartmouth College, graduating with a B.A. in government and Asian studies in 1983.<4> He earned an M.A. in international economics and East Asian studies from Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies in 1985.<4><5> He has studied Chinese<4> and Japanese.<6>

Geithner's paternal grandfather, Paul Herman Geithner (1902–1972), emigrated with his parents from the German town of Zeulenroda to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1908.<7> His father, Peter F. Geithner, is the director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation in New York.

During the early 1980s, Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation's microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by S. Ann Dunham-Soetoro, President Barack Obama's mother, and they met in person at least once.<8>

Timothy Geithner's mother, Deborah Moore Geithner, is a pianist and piano teacher in Larchmont, New York where his parents currently reside. Geithner's maternal grandfather, Charles F. Moore, was an adviser to President Dwight D. Eisenhower and served as a vice president of Ford Motor Company.

Early career

After completing his studies,

Geithner worked for Kissinger and Associates in Washington, D.C., for three years and then joined the International Affairs division of the U.S. Treasury Department in 1988.

He went on to serve as an attaché at the US Embassy in Tokyo. He was deputy assistant secretary for international monetary and financial policy (1995–1996), senior deputy assistant secretary for international affairs (1996-1997), assistant secretary for international affairs (1997–1998).<5>

He was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998–2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.<5> Summers was his mentor,<10><11> but other sources call him a Rubin protégé.<11><12><13>



In 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.<14> He was director of the Policy Development and Review Department (2001-2003) at the International Monetary Fund.<5>


In October 2003, he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.<15> His salary in 2007 was $398,200.<16> Once at the New York Fed, he became Vice Chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee component. In 2006, he also became a member of the Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty.<17>


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Timmy's dad :


Peter F. Geithner, is the director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation in New York. During the early 1980s,

Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation's microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by

S. Ann Dunham-Soetoro,

President Barack Obama's mother, and they met in person at least once



Geithner's maternal grandfather, Charles F. Moore, was an adviser to President Dwight D. Eisenhower and served as a vice president of Ford Motor Company.

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now this should alarm every true democrat on these boards!!!!!!!


and From an April post of mine here at DU: and please, don't believe me ...click the link..it was in the CFR publication!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Remarks by National Security Adviser Jones at 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy

Published February 8, 2009




Speaker: James L. Jones


U.S. National Security Adviser Jones ( edit to add: new advisor hired by Obama!!!!) gave these remarks at the 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof on

February 8, 2009.





"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through General Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.




Source: http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remar ... ...

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Report: AIG bailout money behind banks' recent profitability

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009 /...

snip:
The financial blog Zero Hedge has posted an "exclusive" that claims that according to an insider's account, AIG (yes, that AIG) "was responsible for the banks' January and February profitability."


Saying it is "rarely speechless," ZH offered "a moment of silence for the phenomenal scam that continues unabated in the financial markets, and now has the full oversight and blessing of the U.S. government, which in turns keeps on duping U.S. taxpayers into believing everything is good."


ZH says the insider perspective came in an email from "a correlation desk trader." Unless you're a finance whiz (and who is these days?!) you might get lost in the explanation of how AIG supposedly engineered this feat of profitability. But ZH tries to explain the "mumbo jumbo" in "layman's terms":


AIG, knowing it would need to ask for much more capital from the Treasury imminently, decided to throw in the towel, and gifted major bank counter-parties with trades which were egregiously profitable to the banks, and even more egregiously money losing to the U.S. taxpayers, who had to dump more and more cash into AIG, without having the U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner disclose the real extent of this, for lack of a better word, fraudulent scam.


In simple terms think of it as an auto dealer, which knows that U.S. taxpayers will provide for an infinite amount of money to fund its ongoing sales of horrendous vehicles (think Pontiac Azteks): the company decides to sell all the cars currently in contract, to lessors at far below the amortized market value, thereby generating huge profits for these lessors, as these turn around and sell the cars at a major profit, funded exclusively by U.S. taxpayers (readers should feel free to provide more gripping allegories).
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 02:35 PM
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19. somehow i missed that
it would make a good OP for those who missed it earlier!
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:00 PM
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68. I for one would like to see that informantion as an OP in its own right...
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 12:01 PM by liberation
... just to see all the manner of creative justifications and excuses some people come up with.

If you read some DU posts as assignments for some creative writing class, the site starts making that much more sense (and becomes funner to read to boot).
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 02:59 PM
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21. Reich is spot on. And what is really another Huge Crime is that the Tea Bagger movement
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 03:01 PM by truedelphi
Has been set up from the get go, to distract, and de-legitimize the excellent analysis brought to us by people like Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and even Issa. (I stand behind Issa's word s on the economy and the need to limit the Fed, etc though disagree totally on his political views related to social issues.)

The government's support for this Inner Circle of Bankster families who control the Federal Reserve
is nothing more than "legal" extortion. And in reality it is not even legal, we just have been forced to pretend that it is so.

But we cannot have a real democracy in which people discuss the Truth(s) so important to keep our middle class alive and flourishing. instead, we have a situation where the Powers that be stand behidn the curtain, and continuously plot "events" and "movements" that force most of us to deviate from the norm of critical thinking into panic mode.

So what if Obama's economic policies have been a continuation of the Bush policies, in terms of how screwn we are by the Banksters on top? At least the Democrats are not the RW violence prone crazies, right? And so the all important Force of Cohesion descends upon our thinking and on the National Discussion - just as it did when the people behind the curtain created 9/11.


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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 06:44 PM
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23. "the video that will put Geithner behind bars"
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 06:58 PM
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25. everyone in america should watch that video and Geithner should be locked up!
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 06:58 PM by piratefish08
WTF President Obama? PLEASE don't brush this aside.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 09:17 PM
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30. holy fffn s. thx for that link. from 'naked capitalism,' the crux:
I think the question for Obama is whether he truly believes that a captured regulatory framework is actually in the interest of the country. No politician minds lying. He might believe that the truth would lead to a collapse of the economy. Hank did say we would have martial law, so they might truly believe that.

Obama will pull his support if either of two things happen: 1) he feels that he was ‘had’ by Geithner et al, or 2) The popular media jumps on this in the way they did on health care.

Geithner can still survive. So keep on pushing!!!



the above was one of the comments found on this link, which expands upon the msnbc story

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/03/ny-fed-under-geithner-implicated-in-lehman-accounting-fraud.html

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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:00 AM
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40. Has this been posted in an OP?
If not it should be.

Thanks for posting.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 06:49 PM
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24. This is so important for Americans to understand
Edited on Thu Apr-01-10 06:50 PM by taught_me_patience
I wish I could recommend this a thousand times.

edit for spelling.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 09:10 PM
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28. I'm ready to throw lettuce. Frogmarch their asses into court. Robber Barons defined. knr
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 09:34 PM
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33. Isn't the new gilded age exciting?
:sarcasm:
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Deadgnome Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:19 PM
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36. Lol
Ahhh, some good dark humor before bed.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 09:22 PM
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31. knr nt
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 09:29 PM
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32. "The Creature from Jekyll Island" does what it wants, when it wants.
... and be damned with our currency or public opinion.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 10:13 PM
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34. K&R
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:13 PM
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35. So wo do we hold accountable for the fraud? Bush? Obama? Geithner, the owners of Bear Stearns,
JP Morgan?  Or do we roll over while they use our hard earned
dollars meant to provide us with services for personal
collective greed? 
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madriver Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:35 PM
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37. The irony is...
...the tea partiers and progressive dems have more in common than they think re: this issue.

If we ever put our heads together and stopped bickering over stupid shit like the right to carry a
gun into a Starbucks, serious tarring and feathering would happen, starting with wall street.

But fox news and the lamestream media would NEVER allow this to happen.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:43 PM
Original message
Are you making an admission or what here?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:43 PM
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39. Are you making an admission or what here?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:25 AM
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63. The two groups may protest toward the same thing at times,
but they do it for completely different reasons. HCR for instance, I protested that because it wasn't health care, but a subsidy for the insurance co. the teaparty nutters fought the same fight I did, but for illogical reasons such as grandma death panels.

As a progressive I will not harness the energy of madness, even if they fight toward the same goal in an illogical and often rascist way.

welcome to DU
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:58 PM
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87. The top tier keeps us busy fighting each other. We miss the class war waged against us all
They survive by keeping >90% of us occupied bickering with each other. And you are correct, their tools MSM & FOX Noise (plus good ol hate radio) keep throwing gas on fires that should not be burning at all.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 06:43 PM
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91. Exactly!! I stated this on another thread
We are intentionally being divided--and the MSM is a willing culprit. They've repeatedly fed the fear and hate shite for over twenty years-pandering to some individual's willful ignorance and bigotry--the MSM encourages it. Why do you think they have people like Limpballs, Beck and O'lliely?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:53 AM
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41. If there is a chance to save the country we have to do it, if it's already been lost, we have to
know it. It's time for the lying, stealing xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx games to end.

Kissinger. What was one of the first acts out of H. Clinton's mouth in her new job? She signed on K as an advisor.

Sorry, President Obama, we cannot give you much wiggle room. You too, Barney Frank. Ya gotta tell us what's going on without attempting to protect Cheney Bush the BFEE and yourselves if you're players with them.

Earlier today - 1.6 trillion in cash being held by the banks - the words were they don't know what to do with all the money that is piling up.

Still registering corporations outside the US to avoid the law, still banking outside the US, still sending factories and jobs outside the country.

And they keep on getting richer than the kings - each of them.

Do we need anymore proof of the baron rule over us?

And Reich tells us the big banks KNOW the Fed will bail them out. They knew it going in.

We are stupid fools that they laugh at all the way to their yachts.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:24 AM
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42. Goddamn. Now I'm pissed off.
Is this a democracy at all anymore?
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 06:28 AM
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46. no.
hasn't been for a long time.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:13 AM
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44. Why in the hell is everyone so surprised and pissed on this thread?
Many of us here on DU knew the fed was a corrupt piece of shit and told you all so way back before, during and after the bailout!



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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:09 AM
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57. It's a big deal because now you have the proof. People naying on DU
about something doesn't sway people's opinion that much. Proof does.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:48 PM
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92. I see what you're saying but to me it was totally obvious from the get go. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:04 AM
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49. Thanks for the report -- These are the political/economic decisions Congress should be making . . .
and if they were, certainly I wouldn't want them bailing out banks --

Covering depositiors -- YES!

Bailing out corrupt capitalism -- NO!

Congress isn't objecting to be let off the hook for some of these economic decisions --

it can sway elections. But if we want economic democracy, it's what we need Congress to do.

People we elect -- and people we can fire -- should be making these decisions about the

economy.

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:49 AM
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52. +1000
Geithner needs to be out on his ass... NOW!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:51 AM
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54. The Fed
is a common criminal and should be tried for robbery.
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:06 AM
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55. Other Rules For Wall Street
This is about as shocking as the fact that it got dark last night. The Fed needs more control and a lot more transparency.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:30 AM
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58. For a consortium of private banks with shareholders to be permitted to use
billions of tax-payers' dollars 'to choose winners and losers in the capitalist system' beggars belief.

Someone will cme on here in a minute and claim it's not really private.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:25 AM
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64. Well, Obama likes him.
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Mark D. Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:07 PM
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70. Robert Reich
Should be the replacement if the current treasury secretary ever steps down. I've been listening to his words ever since he left the Clinton Administration. He's never been wrong about anything. Even the health care bill passed was what he predicted (not happily either, he wanted the reform to go a lot farther as most Americans, including 'Scott Brown voters' did).

JPM Chase. There's that name again. This isn't new to me. When Bear Stearns was about to collapse, I mean like the day or two before, when the NY Fed (ie. Giethner & his people) were on site late at night, looking at Bear Stearns books at their headquarters, the news report on it mentioned that JPM Chase was there. Really. Isn't that interesting they were there?

A little easy research shows the tipping point of both their collapse and Lehman's collapse were done by JPM Chase. Goldman Sachs helped, but they were Robin to JPM Chase's batman. Wall Street is their Gotham City. It's apparent they call the shots. The first name we hear about when we heard calls for Tim to step down, as a replacement, was JPM Chase's CEO.

Come on now. Talk about foxes guarding the hen-house. The Credit Default Swap was invented by that bank. That eludes much public understanding. The very concept of it was 'moral hazard'. Betting on failure. Now if a few elite want to do that with their own effing money, fine. This opened the door to using money that was never supposed to be involved (the public's).

Both in the source of what they bundled (mortgages, etc.) and the bailouts we paid for when they fumbled. Dylan Ratigan has long put the estimated total taxpayer bailout expense, from general Fed liquidity to banks, to these propping-ups mentioned above, to TARP, which was comparatively small in the big picture, to almost 24 trillion dollars. It's unimaginable.

I so wish we could get Dylan Ratigan, Max Keiser, Tom Hartmann, Robert Reich, Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, Paul Volcker, heck - also the economist/author/narrator of "The Money Masters" video series, in a room, to figure out how to fix this economy. Those are the naysayers. They don't trust the Fed. They want it audited or gone, as we all should.

They'd all support some real consumer protection group in government NOT located in the Fed (except Ron 'less government' Paul but who cares what he thinks about that one particular aspect, he's often right about things, but when he's wrong, he's really wrong). The point is, we have great minds, but they aren't working together enough. Damn, this is a great idea!
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:24 PM
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73. Very good points...
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 12:26 PM by liberation
... although to me, it is not just devices like credit default swaps which are preposterous. The whole concept behind derivative financial packages is astounding to me, and derivatives represent orders of magnitude more "money" than swaps. If there is any clue that capitalism at its core is a rip off, derivatives are one of the most obvious proofs.

Some of my colleagues from graduate school now work (or at least some used to) for wallstreet think tanks. It is sadly one of the few well paid alternatives for competent people in math or physics. Some of them are blunt in recognizing their main job description was/is to obfuscate the math justifying the transactions some of their employers perform.


There used to be a joke about economists being at their core frustrated mathematicians. And now I am starting to believe it is not as much the frustration but dishonesty which drives them.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:26 PM
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74. Look who appointed Geithner as the head of the New York Fed
<snip>

So who selected Geithner back in 2003? Well, the Fed board created a select committee to pick the CEO. This committee included none other than Hank Greenberg, then the chairman of AIG; John Whitehead, a former chairman of Goldman Sachs; Walter Shipley, a former chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank, now JPMorgan Chase; and Pete Peterson, a former chairman of Lehman Bros. It was not a group of typical depositors worried about the security of their savings accounts but rather one whose interest was in preserving a capital structure and way of doing business that cried out for—but did not receive—harsh examination from the N.Y. Fed.

http://www.slate.com/id/2217811

Geithner needs to go. Sadly there are many here on DU who are big fans.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:38 PM
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76. I was shocked the other day to see a TeaPartyer carrying an Audit the Fed sign, identical to my bump
er sticker.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:39 PM
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77. guess the Fed did it through these "maiden lane" entities?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:09 PM
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81. good catch..eom
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:46 PM
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86. The Fed is, always has been, since its inception
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 02:12 PM by ooglymoogly
and always will be, until its eventual demise, the elephant in the room. That elephant has produced offspring that are now crowding out all else in the room. These offspring protect the mother elephant. They control all the arms of government to fit the machinations of the Fed and its shadows; From these machinations, we now have a government and its last resort check and balance, The Supreme Court made up by a majority of out and out mafia style crooks. A manipulating force like the Fed is anathema to a workable capitalism and certainly to democracy. An ability by a powerful few, to chose winners (themselves) and losers (that would be us) in our country will be its demise, which they do not give a flying f*ck about. The manipulated violent swings in our economy (to our profound detriment) redound solely to those chosen by the Fed, to be these winners and alas they are always the same few, themselves. Guarded capitalism and socialism working together (yin and yang) is the only form of government that has proven to work and work to the benefit of all; Once anyone gains monopoly, workable capitalism ceases to exist and it loses its necessary and vital partner, socialism. No one must ever gain the power to manipulate governments and markets, (monopolize) to another's detriment and destroy the very idea of a workable capitalism in its tracks. This, this thing propagandized as capitalism is not capitalism. It is the criminalized, deformed, soulless, bastard child of unregulated capitalism; Oligarchy, despotism, theft on steroids, mafiaism, call it what you will; Unchecked this form of lawless "government", or more precisely, mastery over government and its constitution, can only end in master slave fascism and we are just about there.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:30 PM
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89. another K&R
this is too important to let slide.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 05:43 PM
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90. Agree
:kick:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:50 PM
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93. Reich promoted NAFTA so fuck him. n/t
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