Militia members were going to kill a cop and then kill cops at his funeral.

[sufrommich]

NW Indiana man charged in alleged militia plot
March 29, 2010 9:41 AM | No Comments
Nine members of a Christian militia group, including one from northwest Indiana, are accused of plotting to kill a Michigan police officer and then stage an attack on other officers attending his funeral.

Members of the group, Hutaree, plotted to attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with "improvised explosive devices" and "explosively-formed projectiles," the U.S. attorney's office said. According to a federal indictment, members of the group view local, state and federal law enforcement as the "brotherhood," their enemy. The plot dates to August 2008, the indictment says.

Among those charged in the alleged plot is Thomas Piatek, 46, of Whiting, Ind., who was arrested Sunday in Clarendon Hills, in west suburban Chicago.
Others charged are David Brian Stone Sr., 45, his son, Joshua Matthew Stone, 21, his wife, Tina Stone, 44, all of Clayton Mich.; and his other son, David Brian Stone Jr., 19, of Adrian, Mich.

Also charged were Joshua Clough, 28, of Blissfield, Mich., Michael Meeks, 40, of Manchester, Mich., Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio, and Jacob Ward, 33, of Huron, Ohio.

Stone Sr., Hutaree's leader, received information about the explosives over the Internet and e-mailed diagrams of the devices to a person he believed capable of manufacturing them, prosecutors allege. He then had his son, Joshua, and others allegedly gather materials for manufacturing the explosives, which the indictment described as "weapons of mass destruction."

In June 2009, Stone Sr. and his other son taught other Hutaree members how to make and use the explosives "intending or knowing that the information would be used to further a crime of violence," prosecutors allege.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/nw-indiana-man-charged-in-alleged-militia-plot.html

[hlthe2b]

1. So this is what "Jesus" commanded them to do?

:eyes:

I suspect this is just the start of this crap.

[sufrommich]

2. Yep, keep pushing that anti government crap, teabaggers. nt

[bullwinkle428]

3. Of course, liberal groups were planning to do this same kind

of thing during the entire reign of the Bush administration!!

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[PCIntern]

5. Yeah..."both sides"...

Joey Scar's meme 1st thing every AM, and then echoed all day.

[emulatorloo]

9. Somehow someway Republicans are going to Blame Democrats for this.

Watch for an appearance by Newt - "Democrats need to take responsibility for the plot of this planned militia attack"

[sufrommich]

14. We deliberately made them crazy with our liberalness.

It's out fault, if we would just act conservative none of this would happen. Oh, and no electing brown guys, that just asking for it.

[DCKit]

15. Without actual explosives, guns or weapons of any kind. But exactly the same.

Isn't that the meme? False equivalence - both sides do it and Dems are equally responsible, no matter what the RW nutjobs might do.

Blame the victims - it couldn't be more clear they were asking for it. These freaks are insane.

[EFerrari]

25. I had some "End the War!" buttons that could have been used for weapons

against shirts and jackets.

[DCKit]

38. Tear-or-ist! n/t

[seabeyond]

18. dont you get so gd tired of the "both sides". it is one thing when repugs use it to null

and void their behavior. it is a whole other thing listening to duers lecturing me on the "both sides" bullshit that can factually be disproven. yet still, seems to be the in thing here lately by a handful on du

i would like for the promoters of 'both sides" to please give the example of liberal, dems, the far side of left plotting to attack and kill not only the cops. but the cops at the funeral and the innocence around them with bombs

[leeroysphitz]

36. Didn't PETA free some livestock or something a few years back?

That's the same as plotting to murder multiple police officers, isn't it?

[seabeyond]

39. wink. seems to be about the comparison. timmy mcveigh = the pink brigade. nt

[kestrel91316]

46. But in the 60's!!! In the 60's!!!!

[seabeyond]

53. ya... lol. all the way to the 60's. see it is both sides. nt

[Fresh_Start]

4. how convenient that Gitmo is still open

got to keep those terrorists somewhere made just for them

[gratuitous]

10. Terrorists?

Nowhere in the article does it say these men are terrorists. See, they're white, so they can't possibly be terrorists. Well, unless they keyed an SUV or something. Then they'd be eco-terrorists.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. so they'd only be terrorists if there were SUVs in the police caravan.

got it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

27. Though the charge is conspiracy to levy war against the US

so it has been made more serious than just conspiracy to murder:

After such attacks, the group allegedly planned to retreat to "rally points" protected by trip-wired improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, for what they expected would become a violent standoff with law enforcement personnel.

"It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more wide-sread uprising against the government," the indictment charges.

It includes charges of seditious conspiracy, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction — homemade bombs.

The indictment charges members of the group conspired "to levy war against the United States, (and) to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hGc00FR9o4OUr36gm80mOpG00ccwD9EOBUO04

I suspect most people would see levying war against the US as more serious than terrorism, though the use of language in the reports is still interesting:

The FBI had not revealed details of the raids except to say they were unrelated to any terrorist plot or the recent threats made against several congressional members, CNN reported.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/03/29/Charges-in-militia-arrests-to-be-unsealed/UPI-57251269863103/

I'd say it could be called terrorism and lecying war.

[gratuitous]

30. Kinda makes you wonder

Those disorganized yahoos in Miami, with some nebulous "plot" to blow up the Sears Tower (or whatever it's being called nowadays) in Chicago immediately got branded as "terrorism." This rather larger, and more organized group, without any prompting from an FBI infiltrator, have a rather involved and detailed plot for insurrection, and none of the usual media outlets will use the word "terrorism" to describe it. Since we're now in a post-racist society (as evidenced by the Tea Baggers shouting "nigger" at Rep. John Lewis), I know there can't be a racial component to this. So it must be something else.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

32. They used the Charles Manson strategy!

It didn't work for him either.......... :shrug:

[kestrel91316]

47. Sounds like SEDITION, the levying war part. Wow. Somebody's SERIOUS about this crap.

[TwilightGardener]

6. I'm curious about what it is about Michigan and Indiana that seems to

breed domestic terrorists. Incessant cold and flatness?

[sufrommich]

7. Hey, Michigan's not flat! nt

[Chipper Chat]

28. Neither is Indiana.

Only the north-central area from Kokomo to Indianapolis and horizontally from Lafayette to east of Marion is flat as a pancake. The rest of the state is hilly.

[Cirque du So-What]

31. Please don't take this personally

but I've made it a personal mission to point out that no state or region of the country has a monopoly on bigotry and hatred, as demonstrated by this 'Hate Map' from the Southern Poverty Law Center:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

The only thing I see is a rough correlation between population of any given state and the actual number of these hate-filled groups in each one. Blanket insults against an entire state or region of the country are counterproductive to Democratic ideals.

[TwilightGardener]

35. You might have a point if Indiana and Michigan hadn't already produced the most

craptacular domestic terrorists of all time. Namely, of course, McVeigh and Nichols. I don't think I'm being too broadbrushy to wonder what it is in the water up there.

[leeroysphitz]

40. I'm from Michigan and I don't think you are "too broadbrushy" at all.

I live in the suburbs of Detroit and as soon as you have crossed the line between the metropolitan areas into the rural you know it. It's a whole different and very very RED world. Like you say there must be something in the water.

[TwilightGardener]

48. I grew up in Pennsylvania, it's the same way--get away from the major cities, and

you are neck-deep in some backwards-ass attitudes.

[erinlough]

57. I'm in rural Michigan too

and I always blame the nuclear plant I'm next to....People are strange everywhere, but there is a lot of dumb in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. Sorry, It's my home state and I love it, but these militia groups are pretty frightening. With our laws they are also all packing, all the time. I have family members who are married to some of them and I say nothing to them. They would shoot you. So if you are driving in Michigan, can the road rage it isn't safe or smart.

[erinlough]

58. dupe

[Cirque du So-What]

42. McVeigh was born & raised in New York state

but don't let me get interfere with your work of fiction.

[TwilightGardener]

43. Oops, my bad, I thought he was from Michigan.

[Cirque du So-What]

45. It's alright

As long as people recognize that domestic terrorists aren't tied to any specific geographic location, my work here is done :hi:

[fishwax]

59. wasn't McVeigh from New York?

I'm not sure Michigan really gets credit for producing him.

On edit -- I see this has already been established upthread.

[WeDidIt]

8. But they aren't Muslin!

Fucking whack jobs.

[Maru Kitteh]

11. Holy plots of insanity Batman. n/t

[CaliforniaPeggy]

12. Talk about terrorists...

These are home-grown. I wonder how many more are still out there, plotting and scheming.

Throw the damn book at them.

[EFerrari]

13. What were their Free Republic user names? Own your "patriotic" heroes, wing nuts.

Violent, anti-American hypocrites and really stupid ones, too. Sounds about right.

[Taverner]

22. Yup - FR is a Hate site

And I am not the only one who thinks so (thankfully)

Its right up there with Stormfront and RevolutionMuslim

[WeDidIt]

16. Freepers stand with Seditious Militia Group

Seriously, they support these fucks!

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2482249/posts

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. Wow. Only about a fourth of the comments are sane.

I almost felt sympathy for the few on that thread who flat out acknowledged that the plot is henious if they are guilty as charged.

[glinda]

33. sounds like some are confused and some are nuts/angry anyways in posts

[WeDidIt]

49. One guy on the fifth page talked about Republicans being arrested in late 1700's

The buffoon doesn't even realize the Republican party didn't exist until 1854.

Federalist John Adams signe dthe Alien and Sedition Acts into law and Democratic-Republicans were the ones who suffered. The modern Democratic PArty has a straight line of lineage back to the Dmeocratic Republican Party.

[Taverner]

19. Once again, Teabag Terrorists

[Atman]

20. Mentioned this at my office...first reaction was "No way! CHRISTIAN militia?"

Assumed it was government making shit up. No way there could be "Christian" militias plotting terrorist attacks. "Where the fuck you been?" I said. It's the extremists calling themselves "Christians" who are the most violent right now. They are own version of the Taliban.

.

[Taverner]

23. Christianists

[Atman]

44. Christianistas?

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[Taverner]

54. No "Christianists" as opposed to "Christians"

Just like the GOPpies use Islamists as opposed to Islam

[Romulox]

21. No sympathies for these weirdos in the least, but color me dubious...

I'll wait to see the evidence, like everybody, I guess. I can't take the FBI at its word.

[Poll_Blind]

24. Yeah, I'm mostly of the same mind. n/t

PB

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. By coincidence, another Stone attacked people at a funeral, in Northern Ireland

On 16 March 1988, IRA members Daniel McCann, Seán Savage and Mairéad Farrell, who had been killed by the SAS in Gibraltar, were due to be buried in the republican plot at Milltown Cemetery in west Belfast. In a change from normal security procedures, the Royal Ulster Constabulary and British Army had agreed to stay away from the funeral. The funeral service and requiem mass went ahead as planned, and the cortege made its way to Milltown cemetery off the Falls Road.

As the coffins were being lowered into the ground, a burst of gunfire was heard and this was initially mistaken for the usual paramilitary firing party. Some people even applauded. However, it was not a salute. A lone Ulster Defence Association member from East Belfast named Michael Stone had infiltrated the crowd in an attempt to eliminate the republican leadership with several RGD-5 hand grenades and two handguns, a 9mm Browning Hi-Power semi-automatic pistol and a .357 Magnum revolver. Stone killed three people, including IRA member Kevin Brady, who had attempted to disarm him. The whole event was recorded by television news cameras.
...
Shortly after the Milltown killings, one of Stone's victims, IRA volunteer Caoimhín Mac Brádaigh, was being buried when two British Army Corporals (Derek Wood and David Howes) drove into the path of the funeral cortege — apparently by mistake.<3> Scenes relayed on live television showed the two corporals being cornered by black taxis and dragged from their car before being taken away by republicans to be beaten, stripped naked, and then shot.<4><5><6><7> This event is often referred to as the Corporals killings.
...
In November 2006 Stone was arrested for attempting to gain entry to the parliament buildings at Stormont while armed with an imitation handgun, 3 knifes, a hatchet, a garrotte and several crude homemade explosive devices all of which failed to explode.<8> On 8 December 2008 Stone was jailed for 16 years for attempting to murder Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milltown_Cemetery_attack

[leeroysphitz]

34. They should ALL be rounded up and forced to submit to the tatooing of the word McVeigh across

their foreheads so that in years to come if they try to associate with decent people no one will be fooled and everyone will recognize them for treacherous animals and rightly shun them.

[Initech]

37. I don't think this is what Jesus had in mind, guys.

[Jim__]

41. These people are completely delusional.

"It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more widespread uprising against the government," court documents said. - MSNBC

[Gin]

50. they decry government but just heard all arrested asked for court

appointed attorneys ....funny how that works you wacko thugs

[KamaAina]

51. Two words: domestic terrorism.

Oh, right, the'yre not evul brown Muslins. :sarcasm:

[KamaAina]

52. That is lower than whale turds.

Much like their patron saint Tim McVeigh setting off the bomb at 9:03 so the day care center would be full of little kids. :grr:

Is it just me, or are white Xtian terrorists even more evil than the garden-variety ones? :shrug:

[spanone]

55. the teabagger's hall of fame 2010

[WeDidIt]

56. They provided the feds with evidence on Youtube

The count where they're charged with possession of firearms in the commission of a felony is documented here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiUtGgxyibc

They demonstrate tripwire explosives while in possession of firearms. There is an explosion.

Open and shut case.