Despite my dislike of this HCR bill -- I want to offer

[xchrom]

My sincere congratulations to President Obama, Ms Pelosi,
and Mr Reid.

None of this has been easy.
And a win is a win.

[villager]

1. There's much shittiness in the bill, but it became about much much more than "the bill"

...ultimately. Sort of like a "second election."

With a new mandate, perhaps?

I hope the Dems take this newfound "power" and use it for some non corporate-enhancing purposes now...

[Oregone]

2. "And a win is a win"

I never did get that.

A "win" can manifest in a variety of ways, depending on the actual effects of policy and the political narrative following the debate.

[dflprincess]

8. +1

[TZ]

10. It will save the lives of people like me

With pre-existing conditions. I would call that a win, wouldn't you?

[RetroLounge]

12. Yes

:hug:

RL

[Oregone]

16. No, not really

It depends on the aggregate manifested effects over some arbitrary period of time. Its never black and white, and no, its not going to just magically save you either.


And thats no clear measurement without a crystal ball, contrasting it to what could of been otherwise. So, despite the life saving talking point, its not so cut and dry actually.

[HughMoran]

24. No, not really?

:wow:

Now you're god.

[Oregone]

26. To the contrary, no one really knows how it'll play out yet

Including you and me. No one *knows* how it would have played out if this reform did not pass. Its not a black and white issue.


I don't expect you to understand

[HughMoran]

29. I understand misery

So, I understand where you're coming from.

[Oregone]

30. Nice quip, but wholly useless

There are more ways to be useful than "cheerleading" or "bashing"


Again, I don't expect you to understand that

[HughMoran]

31. No, I couldn't possibly understand your sophisticated arguments

[WeekendWarrior]

32. I'm going to take the attitude that

it'll play out the same way Medicare and civil rights played out. That it's the beginning of something that will grow and improve over time. I'd much rather take that attitude than one of doom and gloom, which seems to be so popular around here.

This isn't just a win. It's a victory.

[HughMoran]

33. "This isn't just a win. It's a victory. "

A historic victory.

[Oregone]

34. Well, those examples were built upon an idealogy of socialism working in the people's interests

What is the idealogical roadmap this is built upon?

[TZ]

35. Oh bullshit.

I have a pre existing condition. My insurance company has already tried to dump me for that. Also I have a 3,000 per month in expenses. I no longer have to fear lifetime spending limits. So STFU. You don't know what you are talking about.

[tekisui]

3. I second this sentiment.

With each change, I became less excited about it.

But, the bill has some very good, necessary part to it. Reconciliation helps, as well.

I am also happy that we can shortly move on to more issues.

[leftstreet]

4. The Democrats 'won' during the last two election cycles

They could have done anything they wanted.

Single Payer, Medicare For All....

[Mari333]

28. yep/ they BLEW IT

[MindandSoul]

5. I totally agree! Congratulation to our Pesident, Pelosi and Reid. . .and even Stupak!!!!

[kestrel91316]

6. I am happy for the MANY who will clearly benefit from this, especially

the children, and the uninsured diabetics, and cancer survivors.

I may or may not benefit, but some things in life, indeed MOST things in life, are a heck of a lot bigger than me. I ain't the center of the known universe. My pony can wait.

[dflprincess]

9. Yes, now they will be mandated to buy over priced shoddy "coverage"

from the crooks who denied them help to begin with. Whether they'll be able to use that "coverage" to access to care will depend on whether or not they can afford the out of pockets they will still have to pay.

[kestrel91316]

17. Blah blah blah..........endless RW talking points........blah blah blah.

There ARE imperfections in this bill. Rome wasn't built in a day. Go piss in somebody else's Wheaties.

[dflprincess]

19. I haven't heard any right wingers worry about whether or not people can get care

but it's typical of the pep squad to call people names.

Pardon me all to hell if I'm tired of seeing my money go to lining the pockets of insurance company CEOs while still wondering how I'll manage to pay for a visit to the doctor.

Being forced to pay for nothing is a lot more than an "imperfection" and if this is the best the Democrats wanted to do with the majorities they have now, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to sell out their corporate masters with real reform anytime soon.

[kath]

20. +10.

great post, princess.

[kath]

21. +10.

great post, princess.

[Political Heretic]

22. BINGO.

[TZ]

36. Pardon me if I'm offended by fucking democrats

Who don't give a fuck about how important this is to me and others like me. I have been told over and over BY THE LEFT that I should sit down and shut up because I don't know what's good for me!

[HughMoran]

25. +1

[still_one]

7. I think there are a lot of mixed sentiments about this, but a win is a win, and we will

now have an opportunity to see if this can be improved upon

[bridgit]

11. xchrom i just love the way you think

:loveya: :hug:

[grantcart]

13. a very gracious OP

[Kablooie]

14. No matter what you think of the bill, they did persist and conquer a huge, ugly mountain.

I give Obama the primary credit.
He's the one that started it up again and has been working hard, especially this last week, to get it through.

[PassingFair]

15. Every Progressive in the caucus voted for it.

So it must be the best we can
do AT THIS TIME.

Thinking that we could do better later
after failing at THIS is folly.

Our Progressives fought the good fight.
Let's keep on them all to start making
the changes this plan will need.

And let's PRIMARY the CRAP out of Stupak,
for making reproductive rights a wedge that
very well may have cost us the public
option in this bill.

[Political Heretic]

23. Says a lot about the nature of "progressives" in the party.

There is no true Left in politics.

[Autumn]

18. Good post. Now on to better things.

Hopefully the next thing they work on will be done better than half assed.

[bigwillq]

27. Good post.

:thumbsup:

[Xenotime]

37. A win is a win like wingers brag. Now they haven't seen a win in over 6 years.

Sucks to be them.

[Vinca]

38. I'm not dancing in the streets over this bill, but it will help some people

so it is truly better than nothing. I hope - and I swore I was going to quit using that word - the public option can be incorporated into the mix with additional legislation so we will at least have a snowball's chance in hell of morphing into a single-payer system.