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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:40 PM
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On the Anniversary of Illegal Iraq Invasion: Secret Government is Un-American
Seven years ago today, the United States launched a war based on George Bush's lies.
If we had an informed citizenry -- and an informed Congress -- I don't believe that would have been possible.



The work of John Heartfield (Helmut Hertzfeld), warning the world of the NAZI way of seeing things.

The Constitution of United States of America spells out the importance of an informed electorate.
That's why the First Amendment spells out Freedom of Speech and of the Press (the only business named in the Constitution)
and of the People to peaceably assembly. That was how ideas were shared in 1776 and 1790.
That's why public education is so important -- people have to be able to read, write, do basic math.
You know, to learn to think and know how to tell the important things to think about.
That way, with an informed electorate and Congress, the nation doesn't do stupid stuff
like go to war for no reason other than the word of some little Turd from Crawford.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:49 PM
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1. Amazing image. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:53 PM
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2. Good people stand up to Totalitarians.
Amazing man, a true genius. Stood up to the NAZIs. Wish we all could be so brave.

How'd things go with Perkins, Beff?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:19 PM
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5. Monday. I'm watching the film he put out now. Homeworks.
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 02:19 PM by EFerrari
:hi:
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:08 PM
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3. You need someone willing to inform citizens...
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 02:09 PM by Ozymanithrax
The Fourth estate died somewhere between Reagan's first inaugural and Clinton's first inaugural. All we have now are entertainment media required to return a maximum profit on their shareholder's investment.

The Bush administration got away with 935 lies because no one was seriously attempting to inform us.

You also must have a electorate that wants to be informed. Afghanistan and Iraq were both popular wars, at their inception, urged on by a population that was insulated from the cost. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership_society">Bush's Ownership Society that he first mentioned February 20, 2003 in Kennesaw, Georgia that stripped away any control on loans was started for a reason. Convincing Americans that a house was a bank where they could get free money anytime they wanted it kept the majority fat, dumb, and happy and left the Bush Administration to buy a war on a credit card. The military and their families are such a small portion of the population, that most Americans did not feel they had ownership of the war.

The wars Bush initiated have cost about a trillion dollars, all paid for on credit, and we are not even paying the finance charges on that debt.

This is not just the fault of the government, the media, big business, or any other target of our anger. As long as a majority of the American people have no desire to be informed, as long as bread and circuses are provided thanks to the media and McDonalds, nothing will change.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:29 PM
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6. Every time I drive by the Golden Arches™, I salivate like a Pavlov dog.


Excellent memory, yours, Ozymanithrax. Bush and his crew have been aided and abetted by Corporate McPravda.

Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One

There's not enough NFL in the world for me to miss the fact they keep engineering massive transfers of wealth through fiscal policy from the middle class to the top sliver of the "ownership societ," the swells Smirko addressed:

Some call you 'the elite.' I call you, 'my base.'" Ironically, "Al Qaeda" translates as "The Base."



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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:09 PM
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4. It seems that unlike what are forefathers wanted, freedom of the press these
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 02:10 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
days means freedom to be bought by the highest bidder.

We had (and still have) an uninformed/misinformed electorate, which I was not part of. I knew, well before the invasion, that the story about WMDs was a lie. Unfortunately, the complicit press were cheerleaders for this immoral, illegal fiasco and left their viewers/readers in the dark about the Truth.

The horror that over a million people have died, and millions of others lives to be forever changed still clings to me. I also feel a great deal of shame that this was done in my name and that the tentacles of the corruption of our political process can't seem or never will be dislodged. :cry:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:55 PM
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7. Wall Street tycoon Bill Casey knew that before he became Director of CIA...
That may be why so many today believe "ignorance is bliss" when it comes to commercials.
These misled and misinformed Americans have probably "reasoned" the saying holds for politics as well.
I can't blame them, let alone write they get what they deserve.
It's our boat, too, my Friend.



ABC and the rise of Rush Limbaugh

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 04:28 PM
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8. No matter what Rove says, Bush lied us there.


Sorry, Rove, Bush Did Lie About Iraq

By Robert Parry
In These Times
March 9, 2010

George W. Bush’s political adviser Karl Rove claims “one of the biggest mistakes” of that presidency was not aggressively challenging critics who charged that Bush “lied” to the American people about the reasons for the Iraq War, an accusation that Rove insists was false and unfair.

In his forthcoming book, Courage and Consequence, Rove calls the “lie” charge “a poison-tipped dagger aimed at the heart of the Bush presidency” and blames himself for “a weak response” that underestimated “how damaging this assault was.”

But the problem with Rove’s account is that not only did Bush oversee the twisting of intelligence to justify invading Iraq in March 2003 but he subsequently lied – and lied repeatedly – about how Iraq had responded to United Nations inspection demands.

So, while it may be impossible to say for certain what Bush believed about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction, it can’t be argued that Bush didn’t know that Iraq declared that it had destroyed its WMD stockpiles and let U.N. inspectors in to see for themselves in the months before the invasion.

Nevertheless, Bush followed up his false pre-war claims about Iraq’s WMD with a post-invasion insistence that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had barred U.N. inspectors from his country, a decision that Bush said left him no choice but to invade. Bush began reciting this faux history just months after the invasion and continued the tall tale until the end of his presidency more than five years later.

CONTINUED...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/5663/sorry_rove_bush_did_lie_about_iraq/



The illegal, immoral and unnecessary war on Iraq was launched on lies.

More than a few people should be in jail, awaiting trial for that.
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 04:51 PM
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10. Now, this HERE gives me HOPE..!
www.indiegogo.com/bush
Vince Bugliosi, prosecutor of charles manson,
WANTS to prosecute the war criminals
..please ck it out, & share widely.
I COMPLETELY agree with YOU..thanks so much for the post.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:21 PM
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14. We may yet put the pinch on them for a lot more of their treason, as well.
You're welcome, gimama. Here's the money part:

Know your BFEE: Scions of the Military Industrial Complex

During World War I, their forefathers were called "Merchants of Death." For Big Money, war is good business.: A
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 04:46 PM
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9. Thank YOU for this post!
I can't get excited about hcr today,
I *AM* irritated that there is a huge PEACE rally
in front of the WH, getting ZERO coverage..NONE.

& I will never truly feel PEACE until JUSTICE is SERVED
& the war criminals are in the pokey.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/worldcantwait/

www.answercoalition.org
www.march20.org
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:05 PM
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11. Seems like a community effort will be required.
Hiya, GImama! From some like-minded friends:



"When the possibility of far-reaching war crimes and crimes against humanity exists, people of conscience have a solemn responsibility to inquire into the nature and scope of these acts and to determine if they do in fact rise to the level of war crimes " -- from the Charter

The Bush Crimes Commission Hearings

1. Wars of Aggression
2. Torture and Indefinite Detention
3. Attacks on Global AIDs Programs
4. Destruction of the Global Environment
5. Responsise to Hurricane Katrina: Before, During and After

Crimes Against Humanity: The Bush Record

A documentary of the five indictments brought by the Intenrational Commission of Inquiry Into the Crimes Against Humanity of the Bush Administration

A Project of The Not In Our NAme Statement of Conscience

SOURCE: http://www.bushcommission.org /



Criminality isn't the word for what they've done. Their crime is Treason. Instead of stopping them and seeing that it never happens again, we're wondering who will be American Idol and debating how much is too much of a bonus for AIG.
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:19 PM
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12. YES! You are SO right!
& I am committed to that Effort!:7

Thanks for the link.. I was on their newsletter list years ago,not sure why I haven't received any in a yr. or so. I signed up again.

I can't believe they are still NOT prosecuted..grrr..!
But ..I *DO BELIEVE* it will happen! It simply HAS TO HAPPEN!
& there will be DANCING in the streets..around the World!
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:21 PM
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13. Kick! on hell's anniversary! nt
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Eg-ptiangirl Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:45 PM
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15. Why it was so easy
I still don't understand why it was so easy for you to declare war on Iraq and support Bush even after declaring the war and destroying Iraq. Saddam was a dictator I know people that suffered from him but how can this justify sending troops to kill innocent people and literally destroying Iraq leave alone the fact that dictators are filling the earth. There wasn't one Iraqi in September 11. I just don't understand why it was so easy to accept punishing a whole country under the name of fighting terrorism. And Bush didn't lie to Americans he was elected by millions of Americans twice.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:04 PM
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16. I don't believe Bush was elected even one time. SCOTUS gave it to him, 5-4.
By almost any standard, Bush lost Florida to Gore in 2000. Judging that rightwing Fundamentalist-owned electronic voting machine companies, I'd say it was no accident that Bush lost Ohio to Kerry in 2004.

BTW: Bush's father lied America into the first Gulf War. To get enough Americans to support his plan, he had to lie. He said Iraq was about to invade Saudi Arabia and that Saddam was going to use WMDs on America.
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