Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I'm no longer scared

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:27 AM
Original message
I'm no longer scared
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 11:28 AM by AllentownJake
"I would rather try to persuade a man to go along, because once I have persuaded him, he will stick. If I scare him, he will stay just as long as he is scared, and then he is gone." - President Eisenhower.



I really am not going to be scared anymore. I'm not going to be bullied with mythological disasters anymore.

Democrats that voted for the Iraq war, We'll have martial law if TARP isn't passed, My Presidency is on the line if this does not pass, think of all the people who are going to die if this doesn't pass!

Nope, no longer buying it. In fact, unless you can show me compelling evidence that what your chosen course of action will actually prevent a real disaster, I'm calling you a liar. Prove to me what you do is good and benefits society.

I'm no longer scared.

Will you join me and demand no more scare tactics?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:34 AM
Response to Original message
1. I stand with you, my dear AllentownJake.
Scare tactics are what people do when they don't have any good ideas. Scare tactics are too damn easy. They stink to high heaven.

Yes, people who use those are fucking liars.

No More.

I'm not scared any more, either...

K&R



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:34 AM
Response to Original message
2. knr. of course I'll join. Good to see you back on DU!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
3. Completely agree.
K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
4. yup yup. +100000 k&r n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:38 AM
Response to Original message
5. Who said we'd have martial law if TARP wasn't passed?
We'd have an economic meltdown as bad or worse than the Great Depression. That's what people said. The largest banks in the world LOST all their money, all of it. What do you think would have happened if they'd been allowed to fail?

The health care bill needs to pass because it's a good bill. All these pundits out there who are ranting about Obama's presidency, want him to fail. That's not important. What's important is that Medicaid will be expanded to adults and made easier to qualify for, millions of people will get help paying for their health insurance and that health insurance will be required to provide free preventive examinations to keep people well. It does a lot more, but if it only did that, it would be worth passing.

Maybe the problem is who you've been listening to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. the Bush admin told that to members of Congress and coming from them, that was no idle threat
they were itching for an excuse to do it for eight years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #11
70. I'd love to see some actual evidence of it....
I think it was a myth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #11
83. Yes, I specifically heard Paulson brought it up but I don' think he was alone. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. I don't remember who said it, but someone did
I remember that!

And I said bullshit at the time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
28. Sen Inhofe
On a radio show in Tulsa (I believe)

He said Paulson told Congress members there'd be civil unrest and martial law

:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
35. According to Inhofe and Sherman, Paulson
'created a panic atmosphere' even threatening some members of Congress with Martial Law if they didn't vote for the Wall St. Bailout.

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/paulson-was-behind-bailout-martial-law-threat/

Speaking on Tulsa Oklahoma’s 1170 KFAQ, when asked who was behind threats of martial law and civil unrest if the bailout bill failed, Senator James Inhofe named Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson as the source.

“Somebody in D.C. was feeding you guys quite a story prior to the bailout, a story that if we didn’t do this we were going to see something on the scale of the depression, there were people talking about martial law being instituted, civil unrest….who was feeding you guys this stuff?,” asked host Pat Campbell.

“That’s Henry Paulson,” responded Inhofe, “We had a conference call early on, it was on a Friday I think – a week and half before the vote on Oct. 1. So it would have been the middle … what was it – the 19th of September, we had a conference call. In this conference call – and I guess there’s no reason for me not to repeat what he said, but he said – he painted this picture you just described. He said, ‘This is serious. This is the most serious thing that we faced.’”


Congress initially voted against the bail-out, but after threats of Martial law etc., enough changed their minds to pass it.

And, as soon as it passed, the money was not used to buy up toxic assets, as promised, which the Dems backed.

Inhofe said that Paulson told members of Congress the crisis would be “far worse than the great depression” if Congress didn’t authorize the bill to buy out toxic debt, a proposal “which he abandoned the day after he got the money,” added Inhofe.

Inhofe is referring to the controversy last week when it emerged that the bailout money was not going to buy up toxic debt but instead Paulson, the former CEO of Goldman Sachs, had pulled a bait and switch and ordered the money be injected directly into banks.


So many Democrats told us we needed to support that bill, that we couldn't let these 'too big to fail' corps fail. And the very next day, Paulson funnelled the money to his friends on Wall St.

Kucinich was right about that bill also and voted against it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #35
64. Gosh, I don't live in Tulsa
And I don't recall Tulsans running hysterically through the streets from threats of martial law. So I guess I just missed all the fun, boohoo.

Inhofe may have been threatened with martial law, but nobody came on teevee and threatened the country with martial law. That's what would have to have happened for the OP to have panicked over it.

What was threatened was another Great Depression, or worse. Because the biggest banks in the world lost all their money, basically all of the money in the country. Paulson did not funnel money to "his friends". They loaned money to the bankers to keep the economy from collapsing.

I'm guessing you join those who think the banks should have just all failed. So let's go with yours and Dennis' policy. What happens in a country when all the major banks and lenders fail?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #5
46. The largest banks in the world did not lose all of their money.
Please, breathe slowly and relax.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #5
90. "What do you think would have happened if they'd been allowed to fail?"
I think the government would've had a couple trillion extra dollars to use for social services while the market "sorted itself out"... if the Wall Street Fuckers want laissez faire capitalism... let them fail!!

$2,000,000,000,000/300,000,000 = $6 666.66... and that would include monies for every toddler and infant... add to that the fact that a bankrupt credit card company can't collect on credit card debt... or foreclose on a mortgage... batta boom, botta bing... breathing room for the public while the market settles itself.

Or are you afraid of letting the markets sort themselves out when the sorting involves rich people losing their asses?

Health care bill? Let it fail too. Sooner or later, doctors and patients will figure out a way to serve each other without the HMOs in the middle strangling them all... or everyone will die. Fuck it... what're you afraid of? You wanna live forever?

Or just socialize it all because the tumultuous uncertainty is just too scary. What a shame that would be.

Maybe the problem is who you've been listening to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
6. Sure.
I'm not scared of shit. My future and thier future are no longer the same future. What the government does, will no longer effect me in a major way.

I just enjoy watching the show, like a football game or a good car crash.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:45 AM
Response to Original message
7. ...and I will not be scared by faux economic disasters proclaimed by anti-Obama Doomers
nope

:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #7
48. ah, that was comming from the WH, both Bush and Obama admins
and when you look at the charts there can be no denying that we are in serious economic trouble right now, and we are by no means out of the woods.

FYI
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. FYI - were in serious economic trouble last year at this time - Obama's economic policies saved us
Jan 09 GDP = -6.4%

Dec. 09 GDP = +5.9%

Unemployment has declined from 10.2% to 9.7%

Virtually all economic indicators point to continued recovery and job gains this year.

Anti-Obama Doomers cannot wish those data away...

nope
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. and if you don't think we still are in serious financial trouble, you can pick up your pony today
and bring your juvenile political name calling with you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Pony? Did you actually say pony?
That's against the rules...

:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #59
74. lol
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #51
62. Obama said unemployment would not go above 8%
if the Stimulus was passed. Why not put the unemployment figures from Jan 09?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #62
93. Jan 09 unemployment was 9.7% down from 10.2% & oh yeah, this recession was WORSE than expected
The CBO stated that Obama's Stimulus Bill created or saved 0.6-1.6 million jobs - unemployment would be much higher than is is today if it wasn't for Dems and Obama and the Stimulus Bill.

FYI - unemployment during the Reagan Recession peaked at 10.8% - more than a full percentage point more than it is today - and the current recession is the worst recession since the Great Depression.

Obama saved us from a Great Depression and turned the economy around and extended unemployment benefits for millions of Americans - that the GOP wanted to cast adrift....

yup

Thank you Mr. President and Democratic Congress for saving the nation again.

Nice GOP talking points though...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #93
101. You contradicted yourself 2 or 3 times in one post. Congrats.
So the CBO says between .6 and 1.6 million jobs. Sorry if you have a gap of a million jobs in your estimate then it is pretty worthless estimate. BTW Obama said 2 million jobs -- a nice round number. I don't give a damn what unemployment was under Reagan -- what does that have to do with jobs in 2010? You said this is the worst recession since the Depression and then you say unemployment was greater under Reagan. Doesn't make any sense does it? It is the easiest thing in the world to say "it would be worst if we didn't do this or that" because it is impossible to prove otherwise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:46 AM
Response to Original message
8. you should be
We've only just begun to reap the effects of the Rethuglican hijacking.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
9. Some fear is a good thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Agreed. Overconfidence is a sign of mediocrity.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 12:02 PM by KittyWampus
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Of which we saw an 8 year example recently.
Necessity IS the Mother of Invention and fear generates the perception of necessity.

Almost everything is about somekind of dynamic Living balance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. Projecting absolutes onto all situations, ir-respective of hypotheticals, is what got us into this
mess.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:51 AM
Response to Original message
10. So We Should Only Be Scared Of YOUR Mythological Disasters?
As in, "If this thing passes, it will be a disaster and Dems will be slaughtered in Nov!"

Yes, no more scare tactics. I'm game if you are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:55 AM
Response to Original message
12. What's coming is coming whether we fear it or not
Fear can be paralyzing and that's what we need to understand. But I think it's better to say I will no longer be ruled by fear, because fear can be there and still managed, understood and dealt with by facing it and coming out the other side having learned that confronting our fear made us stronger and wiser and more self confident about our inner resources.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #12
29. +1
Well said...we can not let fear rule us!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:57 AM
Response to Original message
14. Sorry, but it's only reasonable to fear for the poor, the
dispossessed and the sinking middle class in this environment, and to fear how much worse it will get should the repukes regain power.

you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. should? you mean "when"
It's gonna happen and they will take this country further to the right. Yet people on this board tolerate right wing Democrats. I guess you are going to live in perpetual fear dearie.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. no honeypie, I don't live in perpetual fear.
sorry to disappoint you, sweetums darling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:58 AM
Original message
Your multiple daily posts on DU are all about imminent economic disasters yet you talk about others
using scare tactics?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:33 PM
Response to Original message
75. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:58 AM
Response to Original message
15. You've been listening to the wrong people.
If this is the crap you constantly hear, then I feel sorry for you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:58 AM
Response to Original message
16. fuck scared, I'm angry and damn tired of playing their (rigged) games
I'm switching to a cash based, low profile existence.

I'm getting back to working on the water (week and a half) where there are more and more people who are living without the government. They exist on cash for labor, or barter, they dont report income for taxes, they live, eat and drink on their own terms. I paid my taxes this year, so calm down.

The government is ignoring the people, I say we flip that on it's head and start ignoring them right back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
40. We moved to The Woods in 2006.
Planted a BIG Veggie Garden. Keep chickens and HoneyBees too.
What we can't make ourselves, we barter or buy 2nd hand or salvage and make it work...
or do without.

We are living well on a very low "Taxable Income".
Very little of OUR money is going to unwinnable WARS or FAILED Wall Street Bankers.
Wall Street and Corporate America can Live or Die without our money or concern.
At this point, so can the "Centrist" Democratic Party.
We are no longer Good American Consumers,
and next year, we will "consume" even less.
Its not for everybody.
My wife and I are lucky enough to have the skills to make this fun.
If they don't care about the American Working Class, fuck em.
:hippie:

What do you mean by "living on the water"?
We "lived on the water" for a while....self-built and salvaged Houseboats on the Mississippi River in Minnesota.
Not in a "Marina", but really "off the grid".
We loved it, but found it difficult to grow food, so opted for very rural land in the South.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:05 PM
Response to Original message
19. right now I just keep remembering I have a one way ticket out of this madhouse someday
that gives me a smile.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:32 AM
Response to Reply #19
92. Me, too, Mari--if things get too bad, I'm out of here. I'm pretty tired
of the lunatics, the wingers, the religious nuts, the brainless, and the ppl in the "I've Got Mine" Club. I'll leave and never look back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
20. Methinks we need to make TPTB fear We The People.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #20
60. I agree
And it's about time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
21. definitely
I haven't been "scared" since right after 9/11. I am worried but not scared regarding the economy. I worry a lot though - it comes with parenthood. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:10 PM
Response to Original message
22. oh - and of course FDR said it best
'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".

That from a man who faced the Great Republican Depression (thanks Thom Hartmann!) and WWII head on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #22
86. We made it through the depression because we had a functioning
government then. We had a Congress that could function independently as a legislative branch. Today that body of government is a corporate controlled branch and will not allow legislation to pass that will interfere with or restrict corporate profits.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:17 PM
Response to Original message
24. K&R Big time!
No more scare tactics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:35 PM
Response to Original message
27. fallback position:
"When in panic,
when in doubt,
run in circles,
scream and shout!"

as it always works for the reactionarkies, maybe we should try it(?)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:55 PM
Response to Original message
30. A healthy attitude
Fear releases stress hormones which can lead to depression and all types of metabolic dysfunctions.

Don't know if you can make demands on people's emotions or on those willing to take advantage of such. I think that you can, however, set courageous example of action for others to emulate, rather than have others follow the example of cowering and striking out in fear.

It may be the hidden brain that we are dealing with in group actions in situations of crisis. The individuals form and then follow the group decision of behavior and rational thinking sometimes has not much to do with it.

"Your brain will love this book.": http://www.hiddenbrain.org/page/4
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:56 PM
Response to Original message
31. Your attitude operates like mandatory minimum. But I aint scared either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 01:12 PM
Response to Original message
32. Right there with you, Jake.
Though I AM disappointed in the Obama Hope/Change Scam, I NEVER entertained the delusion that "The WAR was Over" when we got him elected. I repeatedly stated on DU that "getting Obama elected will be the EASY part. Getting him and Congress to act like Democrats will be the hard part."

I'm a life long unashamed Liberal Activist, and will continue to fight for the things I've always believed in. I don't care WHO is "President", or which "Party" is IN Power.
The fight we are facing transcends those petty boundaries.

*Medicare for anyone who wants it.

*Immediate withdrawal of ALL military forces and "contractors" from the Middle East.

*Immediate reduction of Military Spending by at least 50%

*The immediate break-up (Trust Busting) of everything "Too Big to Fail".

*Fair Competition Legislation that lets Mom&Pop (small locally owned businesses and farms) compete with Big Box and Factory Farms on a level playing field.

*An end to "Free Trade" (Race to the Bottom)

*Organized LABOR and local co-ops.

*An end to the two-tiered Judicial System

*Prosecution of rich American War Criminals and War Profiteers. (Oh yes they did!)

*An END to "Corporate Personhood"

*Strictly Enforced Publicly Financed Elections (severe penalties for criminals)

*Transparent and Verifiable elections (Why isn't this a front burner issue with the Democratic Party?)

*Re-Regulation with strict oversight of Banking/Investment, Transportation, Communications, Trade, Energy, Utilities.

*NO Public Money for private Prisons, armed Private Police, armed Defense Contractors, private intelligence agencies, or For Profit Health Insurance Corporations.

*Immediate Civil Rights and Equal Protection for ALL. (No Exceptions)

*Free Quality Universal Education to everyone who wants it.

*Strong Social Safety Net and Consumer Protections.

*An end to The Patriot Act and a return to The Constitution.(especially Habeas and privacy protections)

*A refutation of the "Unitary Executive", and legislation to ensure it NEVER happens again.

*An END to Republican/Corporate influence INSIDE The Democratic Party !
NO! They DON"T deserve a seat at the table!
(I may be forced to look at a longer range solution to the above.)

When I find a politician (or now a Political Party) that moves toward those goals, I WILL support them.
When a politician or Political Party moves AWAY from those goals, I WILL oppose them.

Success, failure, fear....be damned.
THIS is where I STAND.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #32
94. a rec for your post and I stand with you on all points
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #32
96. K & R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 01:17 PM
Response to Original message
33. I never was scared. Just really pissed off
Most of the Dems in office are part of the problem, not the solution. It's simple; we need election reform, the Fairness doctrine, and candidate who will represent us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Amen. And behind it all a functioning media
keeping the crooks and crazies in check with real reporting and oversight.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
36. An attitude like yours scares the dickens out of me.
Damned if ya do ... etc.


Scary, ain't it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
37. K & R. Though I AM still scared, I'm going to try to tough it out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 03:59 PM
Response to Original message
38. It's everywhere, but I saw it most dramatically in Southern California. They are terrified
of everything. No matter how bizarre or unlikely, people are worried that it will happen to them or theirs.

Unfortunately, when people are afraid they are not thinking.

"A person is smart, 'people' are dumb, panicky animals and you know it." - J


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #38
84. So much easier to persuade people to give up their rights when they are afraid. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #84
88. Exactly, n/t/k
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:05 PM
Response to Original message
39. I'm with you
Scare tactics only works when you are willing to be scared.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:38 PM
Response to Original message
41. But if the HCR Bill doesn't pass,
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. History won't be kind to him either way
He had his chance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
49. He could have been a Churchill.
Instead, he chose to be an appeasing Chamberlain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #49
85. +1 nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #49
91. In all fairness to Obama, there is a whole lot more money to be paid if you appease
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 03:20 AM by truedelphi
The Corporate Rulers than if you try and make them play fair.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:29 PM
Response to Original message
43. I never knew Eisenhower said that.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 05:30 PM by RandomThoughts
"I would rather try to persuade a man to go along, because once I have persuaded him, he will stick. If I scare him, he will stay just as long as he is scared, and then he is gone." - President Eisenhower.

I agree with that so much, also fear requires more and more to have an effect.



Here is the other thing, if you react and follow things because of fear, or violence, or bad things happening. If you basically become a servant to what causes bad things because you are afraid they will happen to you. Then you serve the thing that does bad. Since it would be using threats to get you to do something.

If you stand up to fear and violence, and do what you think is right, you serve the thing that is encouraging and nice.

Then when you get to the point were your final destination is known, and you are on one side or the other, you are either in a world where you are always being bullied and scared, with no help, or you are in a world where everything is fun and kind, with no fears or hardships.

So I figure, while I am in the place where both are here, both bad stuff and good stuff, I wont do something out of fear of bad, but because I want to do what I think is good, then that concept, love and kindness will be what I am more aligned with, and where I would end up. although there is more to it in my belief, that is part of it.


Its a bit of a simplification, but I think it makes sense.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:49 PM
Response to Original message
44. I think you are afraid of caution.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 05:52 PM by gulliver
...and with good reason if I can judge from your many other posts. You have the simple boldness, the dead certain decisiveness, the brave scorn of deep analysis of a Republican president, but I'm not thinking Eisenhower.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:54 PM
Response to Original message
45. No longer afraid. It's their turn to be afraid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:00 PM
Response to Original message
47. I will gladly join you ....
I have resented for some time the attempts to frighten me to the point where I can't think, by the media, the politicians and others I have been running into lately.

There is a method to what they are doing, too. If you are well and truly afraid it is hard to think of what is happening around you. Your mind tends to freeze up and you can barely function. That is why leaders have used fear for so long to manipulate their people. Frightened people are more malleable, and tend to let things be done with their consent that they would never have thought of when they were calm. It is just another scam to control events without having any accountability. Was it in the book "Dune" where one of the characters says, "Fear is the mind killer?" They were correct.

Thank you for a great common sense post. Facts, proof and strong evidence are what we need as much as a positive movement in the drift of our country. I'm going to give a K&R. People need to read this.:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:18 PM
Response to Original message
50. No fear here AJ
its been 40 some odd years since I've truly been scared. Worried for sure but that is not scared
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
52. I'm with you, Jake. Great point. It's been about Mass Manipulation all along. REC. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
53. Wow
You really scared easy if you let these chickenhawk cowards actually scare you. Pissed off yes. Scared no.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:25 PM
Response to Original message
54. When ya got nothing, ya got nothing to lose.
That's where they have cornered us. We no longer have anything to lose. I can't believe they would expect anything else from us other than this. They are deluding themselves if they think we will take the stagnation and the scare tactics forever. Nothing is forever.

When they've lied to us and used scare tactics on us only to be proven liars and con artists for so long, sooner or later, even the dumbest citizens are going to start seeing through it.

We might as well put our foot down now, sooner, rather than later. Anyone who utters "war on terror" or "support us or else" is a bully, plain and simple and they will not be getting my vote next time around. I'm sick and tired of it too. I want action. Words only go so far. Action is what gets things done, not hollow bullying rhetoric. They need to stop with that crap pronto.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:27 PM
Response to Original message
56. I'm Here AJ, Always Will Be
:hug: :loveya: :yourock: :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:40 PM
Response to Original message
57. I haven't been scared. Just angry.
At this point, the best way to lose my vote for the foreseeable future is to try to scare or guilt me into voting for the "lesser evil."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
58. absolutely n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:36 PM
Response to Original message
61. Thank You for This! When I saw our Dems were trying to Scare us like fightened Sheep
I knew something bad was up.

I refuse to be frightened by either Repugs or Dems, Anymore! I still have a voice...I still have places to air my views. I'm not going to go into the MSNBC "DOCK BLOCK" VORTEX and get paranoid about how "they are out to get me...or how I should be getting guns or hiring ZE to go after them to protect myself.

I'm still out there...figuring there are "shreds of Constitution" still available to me ...and Obama better BELIEVE THIS and STUFF those folks who ARE TELLING HIM DIFFERENTLY!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:27 PM
Response to Original message
63. k&r for common sense
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:36 PM
Response to Original message
65. If Democrats are worth supporting, they should be able to
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 09:37 PM by Marr
stop any radical Republican agenda even without big majorities. I mean, we're told constantly that our system is designed to assure that change is gradual. That's the reason we're supposed to accept the Republicans' ability to block all sorts of things we want, even when they're in the minority.

I don't see why that shouldn't work in our favor just as much as it works against us. Unless it's bullshit, and Democrats let Republicans obstruct because they don't really want to advance a liberal agenda. And if that's the case, I have to ask myself why I should support them anyway.

So yeah-- I think fear as an electoral motivator has run it's course. At least for me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
66. I am not scared of any of them and i never have been! I am of the land of the free and the brave..
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 09:51 PM by flyarm
and i always have been..they will never frighten me!

AND I WILL HOLD ALL OF THEM ACCOUNTABLE, AT ALL TIMES!

THIS IS MY COUNTRY.I AM THEIR BOSS..THE CONSTITUTION TELLS ME SO!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:53 PM
Response to Original message
67. I'm glad to read what you say, ATJ-
It describes a place I think we all want to be. Every time I get ready for some "religion" on this, I turn to others who describe what you say (not the church) and there are many of them telling us this. Don't be sucked into the dark side. Don't play the quid pro quo game.

It does not mean we get led around by our noses, it does suggest divine intervention... the one called, "the voice in your ear". No one can lead you around by a nose ring.

I will not be led, but I will join you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:56 PM
Response to Original message
68. Dune: Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

They can't control you if you aren't afraid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. Not only that---fear can make you mean and dumb!
Witness all the people throughout history who have been roused to war because "they" were coming.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:01 PM
Response to Original message
69. I'm COMPLETELY committed to no fear
after 9/11, there was a goood website, "WE are not afraid" that was worldwide.. I'll go look for it.
YOU are right on..people "in power" terrorize US, so we'll be compliant,& 'go along with' their latest outrageous schemes.
I refuse to give 'power' to fear..I BELIEVE in LOVE & Light.~===]
thank YOU for Your OP!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:38 PM
Response to Original message
71. I've lived long enough to see most scare tactics come to nothing
Remember how Saddam Hussein was on the verge of nuking the U.S.?

Hell, I remember when we had to fight the Viet Cong in Vietnam so we wouldn't have to fight them in California.

And Nicaragua was only 700 miles from the Texas border!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
73. Fear itself. And, of course, carneys.


There are plenty of things to fear -- such as fascism, loss of privacy, and the destruction of the planet -- but it's a safe bet that if they are things that are truly worth being afraid of, the media and politicians aren't talking about them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #73
78. no fear
gadfly here, checking out
:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:35 PM
Response to Original message
76. The politicians hate you; hate them back
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:37 PM
Response to Original message
77. FEAR is the tool
of the ruling class, the Politicians, the bankers, the media etc.
Fear is what gives them their power without it they have no power.
:scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aaronbav Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:50 PM
Response to Original message
79. K&R! We needed an FDR, but got a lying weasel instead. n/t


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:55 PM
Response to Original message
80. K and R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:22 AM
Response to Original message
81. I agree. Time to move on...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:24 AM
Response to Original message
82. Very inspiring! Tired of their scare tactics, not afraid of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:42 AM
Response to Original message
87. wonder why you were scared by the republicans but not by the democrats?
Is it because you respond to bullies but not the reason?

Just saying.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:13 AM
Response to Original message
89. Color me persuaded.
Purple is the color of the persuaded, right?

hehe... I've been saying this for decades... welcome to the "not fact based reality" world. Fear is the only fact that is accepted here in the US, don't you know...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:10 AM
Response to Original message
95. I stopped being scared a long time ago...
... and moved on to pissed off. I HATE being lied to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:28 AM
Response to Original message
97. In many instances not giving into fear = not allowing to be manipulated by 'official' bullshit
k/r
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:51 AM
Response to Original message
98. For a long time now
They have not been able to scare me.

It started with turning off the Television and doing more research on news stories. Getting to the truth.

With you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:18 AM
Response to Original message
99. With you all the way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:17 AM
Response to Original message
100. I'm with you Jake!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:10 AM
Response to Original message
102. Thanks for the lovely comment from Ike. I had
not seen this before but am going to save it.
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 07th 2024, 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC