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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 12:59 PM
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Duh! Is it just me, or is health care an inalienable right of all human
beings in this country, regardless of what the profit shills in that room think?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:00 PM
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1. not to the repubs . . . they think it is a privilege - not a right
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:00 PM
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2. Republicans think it isn't. Democrats think it should be. It is a basic difference.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:01 PM
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3. No. Healthcare may be dispensed ONLY AFTER corporate profits are guaranteed.
Anything else isn't "realistic".
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:02 PM
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4. Not just you. Funny how right-wingers oppose abortion on pro-life grounds,
but they don't want to do anything about ensuring good healthcare for all.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:03 PM
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5. YES!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:03 PM
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6. well
The discussion is a matter of 'fine tuning' the coming changes to HC, in the US.

One day, because Obama has taken the lead, we will get a better system.
The people are demanding it. And whenever they demand long and hard enough, the people get their way. 'Twas ever thus.

"You push something hard enough, it will fall over"

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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:07 PM
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7. the conservatives do not think
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 01:07 PM by handmade34
that health care is a right. Cantor says "in a perfect world... but we can't afford it"

**if you want health care coverage, just get a gov't job** silly people
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:16 PM
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The thing that should have been hammered upon from the beginning
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 01:17 PM by soleft
Is that health insurance is NOT health care. In fact, it is the objective of insurance companies to deny health care, not provide it.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:22 AM
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12. I found it very sobering to hear repeatedly the use of the
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 03:30 AM by truedelphi
Expression "health care" or "health care providers" come up when the House and Senate members today as they were discussing the parasitic "health insurance-fleecing-rat bastards who have been killing us"

The Big Insurers, the Big Pharma people, the Big Medical Interest people are not "health care providers." They are not.

Those nations that have Universal Single Payer Health Care for All indeed have health care. But we are a long long way from having that.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:14 PM
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24. Thank you.
You've no idea how many times I've made that distinction.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:16 PM
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8. I personally think that ALL healthcare for Congress and the WH should be DROPPED
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 01:17 PM by Donnachaidh
And ALL healthcare for previous potus and families should be DROPPED.

These folks don't really give a shit about the thousands of people without access to HC (healthCARE -- NOT insurance) - why should WE make it available for them?

why should WE provide HC for the likes of Dick Cheney?

CHOP from the TOP.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:30 PM
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9. Rights are something people struggle for to obtain
I don't see a whole lot of fighting going on here
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:34 PM
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10. kr
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 01:39 PM
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11. Everywhere but here. Unless you work for the federal govt. nt
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:41 AM
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13. The question isn't whether or not health care is an inalienable right
The question is whether or not everyone has a right to have everyone else pay for it.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:44 AM
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14. Republicans view it as a privilege.
They might appropriate funds for dump trucks to pick up the bodies of the uninsured, but forget giving them actual medical care.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:53 AM
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20. Correct, they think it's a privilege that themselves and others of their ilk deserve,

but for others of different ethnicities and/or socioeconomic status, Reps. think they don't "deserve" it.







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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:45 PM
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22. Oh. I thought their "reasoning" was that some of us are more human than others. n/t
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:50 AM
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15. Doesn't That Fall Under The Provision Of "Life"
I've had fun with wingnuts on this topic. I ask if healthcare wouldn't fall under the classification of "Life" as in "Life, Liberty & The Pursuit" of happiness. Then step back while the crickets fill the room. If you want to really watch their head explode, tie that into welfare...especially for the much valued newborn.

Most fall all over themselves and few realize that this provision is written into the Declaration of Independence, NOT the Constitution. So to go to your specific question, No...healtch care is not a right that the government is require to protect. This country went 150 years with no social safety net and this is the "good ole days" wingnuts would love to return to...leaving it up to charities to deal with the "riff raff" and otherwise keeping them outta sight.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:14 AM
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16. Healthcare is a fundamental human right.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:30 AM
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18. that's just as silly as saying eternal life is a fundamental human right
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:29 AM
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17. It is not a Right at all, nothing like a right.
You have no right to force society to care for you.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:49 AM
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19. Not yet, it isn't.
As a general rule, Americans are unable even to think about this question coherently.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:40 PM
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21. the UN declaration of human rights agrees with you
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 01:48 PM
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23. No. Healthcare is not a right at all.
Never has been a right.

Now I do think that this country is rich enough that we should be able to give everybody health care for free. Seriously, what is more important than health?
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