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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:07 PM
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Questions for the NY Times about the alleged spitting incident during anti-war protest
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 11:08 PM by Adenoid_Hynkel

On January 28, The New York Times reported, in an article by Ian Urbina, that, during the January 27 anti-war protest on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., an unnamed anti-war protester spat at the ground near Joshua Sparling, a wounded Iraq war veteran "who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division." The Times reported that Sparling spat "back" and subsequently said of the protesters: "These are not Americans as far as I'm concerned." The Times gave no further details about the alleged incident, despite the politically charged nature of the allegations, which recall the apocryphal tales of Vietnam War veterans being spit on as they returned to the United States.
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The Times reported:
There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq.
Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back.
Capitol police made the antiwar protestors walk farther away from the counterprotesters.
''These are not Americans as far as I'm concerned,'' Mr. Sparling said.
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Conservatives have been telling stories of anti-war protesters spitting on returning Vietnam veterans for decades, even though, as College of the Holy Cross associate professor of sociology and anthropology Jerry Lembcke wrote in an April 30, 2005, Boston Globe op-ed, "here is an element of urban legend in the stories." Nevertheless, Lembcke wrote, the "image of spat-upon veterans is the icon through which many people remember the loss of the war, the centerpiece of a betrayal narrative that understands the war to have been lost because of treason on the home front." The Times article has already been seized upon by right-wing bloggers such as Michelle Malkin.

more:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701300001


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Sparling isn't quite what he seems:
From Wikipedia: 
Joshua Sparling, (b. 1981- ) is a Private First Class in the U.S. Army from Port Huron, Michigan, who was wounded in the War in Iraq. In December 2005, while recuperating at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., Sparling claimed to receive what he thought was a Christmas card, which turned out to be anonymous hate mail expressing the wish that Sparling would die. Sparling underwent multiple surgeries to treat his wounds. Media coverage of the story triggered an outpouring of over 20,000 cards and gifts to wounded soldiers at Walter Reed.
In Spring 2006, his father described how Pfc Sparling claimed that he was insulted at an airport while in a wheelchair.
The security guard said, “You are no different than any other passenger with no boarding pass - no go.” My son started to cry uncontrollably and told the guard to go to hell. Saprling's father then claimed that another lady spoke up and said, “That’s what you get for fighting in a war we have no business in.” Madder and very emotional I asked, “Can’t you remember 9-11?” She responded that was just our excuse to be in Iraq when we should not be there and we deserved whatever we got. That is when my son really lost it. Three WWII vets were coming off flights into DC, gave my son a hug, and stood up to the lady and security guard. They stayed with my son until he flew out.
On 27 January 2007, at an antiwar protest at Washington DC, Sparling claimed that a passing protestor may have spit near him, according to the New York Times.

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another DU thread on "spitting" and NY Times reporters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=61772&mesg_id=61772
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:10 PM
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1. With all due respect, the Dude sounds like a Professional Victim.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:14 PM
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3. It is simply a variation of the "spitting" on Vietnam
vets., which has been discredited, I believe. I read a DUer's account of witnessing this and there was no spitting. These are very sick creeps.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:12 PM
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2. hannity raves over him
has him on as guest all the time


he talked about the "spitting" incident today


I turned the dial
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:23 PM
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4. Even if someone did spit near this veteran, is there any way of
knowing whether the spitter was or wasn't an accomplice? Seems as though that could be possible with this guy who is apparently quite concerned with spitting. Isn't it kind of coincidental that someone would choose him to spit at or near? Did the reporter who "saw" it talk to the person who did the spitting?
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:31 PM
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5. He was proabably the typical heckling, red-bating freeper
screaming at all of the antiwar activists as they went by.

hell, they probably didn't even know he was a veteran
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:38 PM
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6. Rove and Parlock has taught him well. n/t
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:43 PM
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7. Phil Parlock passed me on the highway today
We live in the same town. that guy's a damned weirdo with 14+ kids
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:47 PM
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8. Email the NY Times saying you want answers.
Email:
public@nytimes.com

To answer Media Matters' questions:

"Did Urbina or anyone else from the Times actually see the alleged incident?
Why does the Times' report fluctuate between ambiguity and certainty?
In reporting that the protester spit "at the ground near Mr. Sparling," Urbina left open the possibility that the protester -- if he or she did, in fact, spit -- may have not intended to spit at Sparling or anyone else. And how near was "near"? Six inches? Six feet? However, the very next phrase -- "he spit back" -- suggests that the protester did, in fact, spit at Sparling, and he was simply retaliating. Which is it?

Did Sparling actually spit on the protester?
The Times simply noted that he "spit back." Did he hit the protester? Could he have hit the protester? How far from one another were they?

What did this protester look like?
Male? Female? Old? Young? Tall? Short? Did the Times try to talk with the alleged spitter?

Can the Capitol Police confirm the incident?"

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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:55 PM
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9. Looks like our perpetual 'victim' was a freeper after all
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 12:08 AM
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10. The 'group' Sparling was standing with ... the freerepublic group.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 12:10 AM
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11. I thought an anti-war protester spit at the freepers in general...
and it landed near him. It was construed as 'spitting on the troops'.
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CactusJock Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 02:03 AM
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12. If Joshua didn't exist, freepers would have to make him up
i don't buy the image of this guy reeling from one incidence of appalling abuse to another. WTF next, Jane Fonda seen kicking his crutches away?
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