For those who always ask me if I disagree with Hillary on anything...here ya go...

[SaveElmer]

I hate both the Yankees and the Cubs...!!!

:mad:

[Stephanie]

1. Great. Enjoy your cluster bombs, and your enduring bases in Iraq.

Enjoy your next immoral war, and your next bankruptcy bill that punishes the poor to enrich the corporations. Saying that you agree with Sen. Clinton on EVERYTHING is ridiculous, unless, of course, you're on her payroll. But you knew that.

[ElizabethDC]

2. Hillary does not support permanent bases in Iraq

nor did she vote for the bankruptcy bill (she actually didn't vote on it at all, as the vote took place while Bill was having his heart surgery - but she gave a speech beforehand saying that she opposed it.)

[Stephanie]

4. She voted FOR it before she didn't vote at all on it - 2001 >

And she makes oblique references to the enduring bases on her website:


http://www.clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/index.cfm?topic=iraqletter

I do not believe that we should allow this to be an open-ended commitment without limits or end. Nor do I believe that we can or should pull out of Iraq immediately. I believe we are at a critical point with the December 15th elections that should, if successful, allow us to start bringing home our troops in the coming year, while leaving behind a smaller contingent in safer areas with greater intelligence and quick strike capabilities. This will advance our interests, help fight terrorism and protect the interests of the Iraqi people.

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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0316-03.htm

Published on Friday, March 16, 2001
Going Backwards
36 'Democratic' Senators Vote For Credit Card/Banking Industry's Bankruptcy 'Reform'
...and they wonder why so many Democrats voted for Ralph Nader.


GW Bush and the credit card/banking industry won a huge victory last night as 36 'Democrats' joined their Republican 'colleagues' and voted to pass S-420 - the Bankruptcy bill.


I've never seen a bill that was so one-sided. The cries, claims and concerns of vulnerable Americans who have suffered a financial emergency have been drowned out by the political might of the credit card industry.


former Dem. Senator Howard M. Metzenbaum now head of Consumer Federation of America
Consumer groups and unions have been aggressive in opposing it, contending that the changes in bankruptcy law will take away an important means of relief for families hit by job losses. Former President Clinton vetoed last year's similar version, saying it would hurt ordinary people and working families.

"This is the most anticonsumer piece of legislation that the Congress is considering," said Edmund Mierzwinski, consumer program director for the U.S. Public Interest Research Group in Washington, D.C.

"Among Senate Democrats who may vote for the bankruptcy bill are Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), whose state is home to a Citigroup Inc. credit card operation in Sioux Falls that employs several thousand people. Daschle has received $45,000 in political contributions from Citigroup in the last six years." -- Washington Post 3/11/01

The Associated Press is calling it a big win for Bush and "the second business-friendly measure to pass both houses of the new Congress".

And they wonder why Ralph Nader got so many Democratic votes?

The Sell Outs:

Daniel Akaka (Hawaii) [e-mail]
Max Baucus (Montana) http://www.senate.gov/~baucus/EmailMax.htm
Evan Bayh (Indiana) http://bayh.senate.gov/webmail.html
Joe Biden (Delaware) [e-mail]
Jeff Bingaman (New Mexico) [e-mail]
John Breaux (Louisiana) [e-mail]
Robert Byrd (West Virginia) [e-mail]
Maria Cantwell (Washington) http://cantwell.senate.gov/mailform.html
Jean Carnahan (Missouri) [e-mail]
Thomas Carper (Delaware) http://carper.senate.gov/
Max Cleland (Georgia) http://www.senate.gov/~cleland/webform.html
Hillary Clinton (New York) [e-mail]
Kent Conrad (North Dakota) [e-mail]
Tom Daschle (Sorth Dakota) http://daschle.senate.gov/webform.htm
Byron Dorgan (North Dakota) [e-mail]
John Edwards (North Carolina) http://www.senate.gov/~edwards/contact.html
Dianne Feinstein (California) [e-mail]
Bob Graham (Florida) [e-mail]
Fritz Hollings (South Carolina) http://www.senate.gov/~hollings/webform.html
Daniel Inouye (Hawaii) http://www.senate.gov/~inouye/webform.html
Tim Johnson (South Dakota) [e-mail]
Herb Kohl (Wisconsin) [e-mail]
Mary Landrieu (Louisiana) http://landrieu.senate.gov/webform.html
Patrick Leahy (Vermont) [e-mail]
Carl Levin (Michigan) [e-mail]
Joe Lieberman (Connecticut) [e-mail]
Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas) [e-mail]
Barbara Mikulski (Maryland) [e-mail]
Zell Miller (Georgia) http://miller.senate.gov/email.htm
Patty Murray (Washington) [e-mail]
Ben Nelson (Nebraska) http://www.senate.gov/senators/ben_nelson.html
Harry Reid (Nevada) [e-mail]
Chuck Schumer (New York) [e-mail]
Debbie Stabenow (Michigan) [e-mail]
Robert Torricelli (New Jersey) [e-mail]
Ron Wyden (Oregon) http://wyden.senate.gov/mail.htm

Democrats Who Voted No:
Jon Corzine, N.J.; Mark Dayton, Minn.; Chris Dodd, Conn.; Dick Durbin, Ill.; Russ Feingold, Wis.; Tom Harkin, Iowa; Ted Kennedy, Mass.; John Kerry, Mass.; Bill Nelson, Fla.; Jack Reed, R.I.; John Rockefeller, W.Va.; Paul Sarbanes, Md.; Paul Wellstone, Minn.

Not Voting:
Barbara Boxer (California)

[ElizabethDC]

6. This is what she said most recently about permanent bases

at the MoveOn Virtual Town Hall about permanent bases and a residual force:

"Well my goal is to end the war when I'm President and to bring our troops home, but as has been stated in the provisions passed by both the Democratic and the Democratic Senate, we do envision a vastly reduced residual force to remain for some limited period of time to train Iraqi troops, assuming they get their act together and begin to defend themselves, to provide logistical support for counter-terrorism missions, to protect the Kurds if necessary because they have certainly fulfilled their end of the bargain as they have tried to proceed to establish an autonomous region in the north.

And that does not mean we would have a permanent force. I am absolutely clear, we do not plan a permanent occupation or permanent bases, but in line with all of the legislation that has been passed by the Democratic majority or passed when we were in the minority going all the way back to 2005, we have tried to be responsible in saying there may be some continuing missions to protect America's vital interests, and to support an Iraqi government that we hope to be an ally going forward, assuming they are acting responsibly."

Link: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=3529

[Stephanie]

8. that's semantics

.

[SaveElmer]

3. Lighten up Frances...

And educate yourself before posting such drivel!

[Stephanie]

5. likewise, Peter

This year it's the corporatists vs. the populists, and it's quite clear where Mrs. Clinton stands. This isn't personal, Elmer. It's about the issues. That's what primaries are for.

[SaveElmer]

7. It is very clear where she stands...

But it isn't where you say it is...