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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:03 PM
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Gore Political Ties to "God Hates Fags" Founders Uncovered (from the LCRs)
NO! I did not find this myself - someone sent it to me. I post it here for DUer review and debunking. Obviously the Repigs STILL are so threatened by Gore, they're (still) digging for (more) ways to smear him. Go forth and debunk, DUers - or comment or whatever. HEALTH WARNING - the link goes to the Log Cabin Repigs website! Of course if they REALLY thought this was the case, they'd be trying to RECRUIT him, wouldn't they? :
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http://www.logcabinwa.com/archive/200010251159.shtml

Gore Political Ties to "God Hates Fags" Founders Uncovered

Gore and Wife Tipper Headlined Fundraiser at Phelps' Topeka Home; Phelps Family Reportedly Invited to Clinton-Gore Inaugurations in 93 and 97

October 25, 2000

(WASHINGTON) Reports linking Vice President Al Gore with notorious anti-gay activist Fred Phelps, Jr., and the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas were confirmed with the release of photographs showing Gore at a fundraiser at the home of Fred Phelps, Jr., who told the Conservative News Service on October 16 that he served as a Gore delegate on the floor of the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta in 1988.

Gore, who was quoted by the Nashville Tennessean in 1984 saying homosexuality is not "an acceptable alternative that society should affirm" and said in his 1984 U.S. Senate race that he would not accept money from gay rights organizations and that he opposed a "gay bill of rights," reportedly sought the support of the Phelps family in his 1988 presidential campaign, and invited the Phelps' to the Clinton-Gore inaugurations of January 1993 and January 1997.



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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:05 PM
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1. Did you have to go all the way back to 2000
to dig this shit up? Why post it here? Anyone with a working brain wouldn't believe this trash.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:08 PM
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5. Did you READ what I wrote - *I* did not find it it was sent to me...
...debunk, please and stop shooting the messenger.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:10 PM
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8. Personally I wouldn't have posted that garbage here
Just sayin.....
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:21 PM
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19. Ok. I understand.. but I'm NOT you..
..and the primary reason I posted it here is that I would LOVE to see this debunked!! .

No other reason.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:48 PM
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55. Debunking is important
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 06:48 PM by Canuckistanian
Especially if the information is going to be used against you.

Forewarned is forearmed.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:23 PM
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23. Why would you post that here....I don't know where you got this
crap and who is behind it...the person who sent it is probably a freeper...there is all kinds of crap out there that is not true..maybe some even about bush...these should be check out before sending them on to other people...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:09 PM
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7. Yeah, why don't we ask
Gore how he feels about it?
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:08 PM
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2. Maybe he's changed. Al and Tipper used to be quite stuffy.
Remember Frank Zappa and Tipper going at it about censorship in the music industry? Back then, I thought Tipper was very square.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:08 PM
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3. That is a bald lie.
The Gores are friendly to the gay community. This is total, complete, absolute bullshit. There is no way that would gat anywhere near that evil hatemonger.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:18 PM
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13. That's what I thought...or if he *did* go near them, it's not for the reasons...
...claimed by the Log Cabin Repigs. What gets me is this:

"No one argues that Gore had an anti-gay record in the past. However, if it is true that he was allied with Fred Phelps as recently as 1997, then Al Gore's got a lot of explaining to do," said Rich Tafel, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans. "At this time the sources are themselves questionable, so the Vice President can end this mystery by denying any relationship with Phelps now. Most troubling is the charge that Al Gore invited Fred Phelps to his inaugurations as Vice President in 1993 and 1997. That was less than three years ago. We need some answers."
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 08:29 PM
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59. Guilt by association
I assume that any politician has lists of long term supporters who are on their holiday list, donor solicitation list and if important they get invites.

Rather than assuming Gore changed - another logical possibility is that this guy went from bormal to weird, possibly with Gore not even knowing.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:08 PM
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4. it's my understanding
that Phelps didn't engage in these activities back then. In those days, he was just another politically-connected fundie that Clinton-era "centrists" sought the support of

He probably was a run-of the-mill wingnut and Gore should have avoided him, anyway.
But there's no way they could have known what this guy would eventually do.
That's my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:16 PM
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10. No...Phelps has been on his "God hates fags" shit for years.
Phelps certainly was on it when Matthew Shepard was killed...in 1995. Before then. Definitely around 1993 and 1997. There is no way Gore associated with Phelps.

This story is completely untrue.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:20 PM
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18. Matthew was killed in 1997 not 1995
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:21 PM
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20. You're right. My bad.
Still, this story reeks.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:33 PM
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28. actually I am wrong too it was 1998
but the point is it is after the second inaguration.
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:23 PM
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24. wow
That's a fairly brilliant smear. Rove is good at what he does.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:08 PM
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6. Everyone bitches about Phelps being nuts, but he's just saying what's in the Bible.
That man is the verbatim Bible talking. That's why I know Christianity is bullshit. The same book (Leviticus) that makes it a sin to wear a cotton-poly blend, or plant a vegetable garden with variety, is the same exact section that says first that homosexuality is an "abomination" and then later says those who commit is shall fucking DIE!!!!!

It's complete and total bullshit.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:17 PM
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12. lol! yup.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:19 PM
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16. That's why, when I became old enough to think for myself, I stopped being a christian. n/t
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:20 PM
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17. Well, some theologians see the Bible as a record of an evolving
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 05:21 PM by deutsey
understanding of the Divine by a particular group of people. By the time we get to the New Testament Jesus is preaching a message that's not legalistic like the Leviticus scriptures. That's one of the reasons he got into so much trouble with the traditional religious establishment.

I'm not a Christian but I am a student of religion, so I'm not trying to promote or defend Christianity. However, for me Jesus' admonition that we care for the "least of these" and that we adhere to the principles outlined in the Sermon on the Mount are not bullshit at all.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:07 AM
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62. Technically you should have said "Judaism is bullshit"
Edited on Sun Apr-29-07 03:08 AM by spoony
Since the OT is the book of law, which isn't just complimented by but is contravened by the gospel.

Of course, had you said that it'd be just as ridiculous, but at least aimed properly.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:49 AM
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63. Don't forget whistling on a Tuesday. They break your arms for that.
I saw it on TV during "Medieval Torture Hour!" :yoiks:


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:00 AM
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:15 PM
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9. Phelps
I have no idea whether this is true or not. I do know that Phelps himself has changed and gotten crazier and more rabid over the years. He actually started his law career as a civil rights attorney.

I'm a lesbian but also have a deep interest in psychology and I personally don't see Phelps as conservative or any other description that has to do with politics. I see him as mentally deranged...a straight-up case of a delusional psychosis.

His entire church consists of three intermarrying families. They are all related. Folie a deux, meaning "folly of two" but in psychology can be any number, means more than one person sharing the same psychotic delusions. It's rare but it actually does happen and is officially recognized in the field.
Lee
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:17 PM
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11. Log Cabin Republicans: Dude, that debunks itself.
No need for our help.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:18 PM
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14. Thanks for the latest Log Cabin Republicans propaganda....
Don't you think people know how to click on links?

Try again.


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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:19 PM
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15. Logcabinwa.com? Oh.. I see, greedy self-hating gays.
They'll do anything to preserve a tax break, won't they? Frankly, I think the Log cabin folks were either started by, or egged on by, Rove's mentor.. what was his name? The guy that started the Republican college thug groups.

I bet you could dig us shit on all of us, based upon who we may have been associated with, or what we believed, at one time in our life. It's the person's actions and heart NOW that matters.

Makes me ill to see this shit.

This "posting just to have us debunk it" just gets old. If you really wanted to do that, you should just research it on your own. Why do the PR work for Rove and his ilk? Sickening.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:27 PM
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26. You do not tell ME what my motives are.
I'll TELL YOU. And I did. If you can't debunk it, don't get abusive with me.

...I've been on DU since 2001. Well-known liberal/progressive. You can proceed, now, to make whatever ass-umptions you please. However, they're YOURS and you own them.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:56 PM
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43. I guess that's why you disabled your profile..... . . n/t
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:01 PM
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45. re-enabled - go look! (n/t)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:22 PM
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52. Thank you. I think it's a good idea, generally during the
primary season..
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:23 PM
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21. Nothing you can count on so much as DUers' willingness to do republicans' work.
Happens EVERY time.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:23 PM
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22. Gosh.
Darn that Al Gore. I'll never trust him again. Thanks for posting this work of art. I don't know why people let him off on his starting the warts in Iraq: first the Gulf Wart, then the Iraqi Wart, and probably he'll be bringing Wal-Wart to Iraq, too. If we look hardly enough, we mighty even find that he really belongs to both the KKK and the Nazi Partly. Plead e-mail this to Bill O'Really, to warn all the liberals.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:24 PM
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:29 PM
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27. How odd. Someone with 221 posts calling ME a troll..
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 05:33 PM by Triana
..when I have been here since 2001. PAYING MEMBER all that time too.

INTERESTING!

Can't debunk, so attack the poster?

Huh.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:42 PM
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:45 PM
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33. Can't debunk it because it's true
Gore was at one point vocally anti-gay. Now he may have changed his mind about it, but that doesn't change what was. It's like Byrd with the KKK, regardless of where he stands now, his past will always dog him. That's just the way it is.

http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Bradley_rips_Gore_s_scare_tactics_to_win_gay_votes+.shtml

Boston Globe:
For instance, as a Tennessee congressman running for Senate in 1984, Gore opposed a measure outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation.

''I don't pretend to have an understanding of homosexuality that sustains a discussion of its roots ... but I do not believe it is simply an acceptable alternative that society should affirm,'' Gore told the Nashville Tennessean at the time.

During that race Gore also said he would not take campaign contributions from gay rights groups.

More at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Support_for_Al_Gore
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:46 PM
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35. It is a lie that he invited Phelps to the Inagurations
and he only invited the son to the first one.
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:00 AM
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60. OK fine
He didn't invite Phelps to both inaugurations. It doesn't change the fact that he was once connected to Phelps and that he was once vocally anti-gay. His own words establish that. The point is that it would be better to confront his past ala Byrd, thereby disarming would be critics rather than outright denying it as I've seen on this thread.

People make mistakes, Gore is no different. He was anti-gay and now he's not. I'll take him at his word that he has seen the light.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:43 AM
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67. There is a huge difference between being anti gay in 1988 and being anti gay in 1997
and he did confront this at the time it came up in 2000.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:48 PM
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36. Thank you eggman...
...while this isn't great news, I appreciate the followup info (sans the name-calling and attacks).
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:51 PM
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39. except, as I pointed out twice, the info you provided isn't true
It is true in part, Gore did have Phelps as a delegate in 1988 and he did invite Phelps' son to one Inaguration. He didn't invite any Phelps to the 1997 Inagural.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:54 PM
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41. Thanks DSC ....
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 05:57 PM by Triana

...there we go, at least partially debunked. THAT is what I was looking for!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:56 PM
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42. No Problem
I don't know the SLPC's sources though I do trust them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:58 PM
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:35 PM
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29. I went to Phelps' website and searched for Gore
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 05:39 PM by dsc
It should be noted that Phelps claims that he was a delegate for Gore, and that likely was true. But no where does he claim he was invited to the Inaguration and I think that claim is false.

On edit

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=184

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center website Gore invited Phelps' son, not Phelps, to the 1993 Inaguration. By 1998, Phelps picketed Gore Sr.'s funeral.

1988
Phelps provides rooms for Democrat Al Gore's presidential campaign workers. Though the Phelps-Gore connection will grow increasingly distant, Phelps' oldest son, Fred Jr., is invited to the first Clinton-Gore inauguration in 1993.

By 1998, Gore will be seen as such an enemy by WBC that its members picket the funeral of Gore's father.



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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:38 PM
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30. I loves me some snopes and wikipedia...
Edited on Sat Apr-28-07 05:40 PM by badgerpup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

Seems that ol' Fred wasn't always evil and crazy. He did some very good work for civil rights...then apparently something happened, causing him to flip out and try pretty much to DESTROY a court reporter named Caroline Brady (whose 'crime' was that she didn't have a transcript ready for him).

He's no lover (read: fan, koolaid drinker, sheeple) of George Bush, either.
No, I'm NOT apologizing for him. Just trying to give him a couple more dimensions...


edit for spelling.
Why, oh why, do I never catch the spelling mistakes until AFTER I've hit "post message"? :banghead: :argh:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:49 PM
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37. It'll be nice when he dies....
... and they can study his brain to see if there was a physical-damage-event of some kind in his background.

As for spelling errors: They're the province of the Spelling Gnomes, who intercept posts *after* you hit 'post', and sprinkle embarrassing errors in your post.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:44 PM
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32. I suppose it would be useless to mention how Phelps called Gore a "famous fag pimp" '97?
Also there's the fact that Phelps picketed the second Clinton/Gore inaugural ball due to the liberal stance he felt their administration had on gay rights.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:51 PM
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38. So were they buds when Gore was still anti-gay and then Phelps turned...
...on him? Seems like that's what happened. And, Phelps & the LCR are lying/twisting facts, which is certainly no surprise.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:14 PM
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49. Who knows?
It's true that Phelps became an insane zealot, but as to when he went over the edge I don't know. I don't recall hearing much of him until 1992 when he made the news for protesting some Clinton/Gore event.

I looked back in some old Mother Jones and found this, I thought I recalled this event.


It's December 8 in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, the day of the funeral for Al Gore Sr., a former senator and the vice president's father. Gore has earned Phelps' ire because, according to Phelps, his son "sold his soul to the fag agenda." Falwell earned it partly because he called Phelps a "first-class nut." And Shepard -- "that little fag," as Phelps refers to him -- earned it, well, by being gay. It's in this way, a Day-Glo vision of defiant hatred, that Phelps wants the world to see him.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1999/03/lauerman.html

Phelps is a lifelong Democrat and has supported various candidates along the way. Phelps seems to despise Gores stance on gay rights and has for more than a decade, there seems to be more than ample proof of that. Having went so far as to picket Gore's fathers funeral.




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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:21 PM
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51. WOW! Thanks Lone_Star_Dem!
Others in this thread said he picketed Al Gore Sr's funeral but it's great to have a link to a story about that, particular from MoJo. Cool!

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:34 PM
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53. Glad I was of help
When he did that it also made the regular news. I bet if you did a search of the TN papers you could find more on the event.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:00 PM
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73. "sold his soul to the fag agenda"
:rofl:

It is not hard to imagine the homophobic (among other phobias) privileged social & political environment that Al Gore lived in 20 years ago. If he has made progress overcoming homophobia since then, that is a great thing. Gay people know how to forgive and need to protect him from vilification and from these ridiculous smears.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:46 PM
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skiddlybop Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:54 PM
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40. Why is it so much easier to find anti-gay Republikkkan material
from the last 36 hours and self-hating gays have to look for man-bites-dog troll post material from 25 years ago?

By that standard, Franklin Roosevelt is responsible for the Holocaust because he did not bomb the camps, but liberated them later.

Meanwhile, apparently, the entire hypocritical anti gay Republikkkan administration merits no examination...


Official Caught Using Escort Service Demanded Anti-Prostitution ‘Loyalty Oaths’
Former U.S. AID director Randall Tobias, who resigned yesterday upon admitting that he frequented a Washington escort service, oversaw a controversial policy advocated by the religious right that required any US-based group receiving anti-AIDS funds to take an anti-prostitution “loyalty oath.”

Aid groups bitterly opposed the policy, charging that it “was so broad ?? and applied even to their private funds — that it would obstruct their outreach to sex workers who are at high risk of transmitting the AIDS virus.” But President Bush wouldn’t budge. He signed a 2003 National Security Presidential Directive saying prostitution “and related activities” were “inherently harmful and dehumanizing.”

Several groups and countries had their funding cut due to the policy. Brazil lost $40 million for “one of its most successful anti-AIDS strategies, persuading sex workers to use condoms or other measures to stop spreading the disease.”

During an “Ask the White House” online chat in 2004, Tobias defended the policy, saying the U.S. was “partnering with communities” to begin “fighting sex trafficking and prostitution, while still serving victims of these activities.” Tobias added that he was overseeing several “highly successful” relationship programs “aimed at men and boys to help them develop healthy relationships with women.”

A truly inspired idea, having someone who pays for “gals come over to the condo to give me a massage” run programs on developing “healthy relationships with women.”

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:06 PM
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46. In 1998 he accused Gore as a "famous fag pimpz' then he protested Gore's Dad funeral
Westboro church and Phelps picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, "your dad's in Hell."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps


OH, and by the way Brian Wilson of the Beach boys knew Charlie Manson.


Somebody sees Gore as a political threat.

This is just the ugliness we will see until the Log Cabin Republicans lose power.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:12 PM
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48. Thanks Iching...
...Now I can send something back to the person who sent me this gar-bage, which is one big reason I wanted it debunked. I can do it myself but DUers are collectively better debunkers than one person alone!

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:09 PM
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47. First, Phelps is a Raving Lunatic, and if there was ever a person I was sure is going to Hell...
...It's Phelps.

Second, why not take this to the National Log Cabin Republicans? <http://online.logcabin.org/>

Ask them if they still stand behind an anonymously written, second hand, single sourced (Phelps himself), Y2000 "news" post on their Washington State chapter's website about something that happened 12 years before it was posted which, if you read further says, "...Rich Tafel, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans. "At this time the sources are themselves questionable, so the Vice President can end this mystery by denying any relationship with Phelps now...."

And here's what it says in the Phelps Wikipedia entry:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Support_for_Al_Gore>

...Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser, which Al and Tipper Gore attended, at his home in Topeka.<9><34> Fred Phelps, Jr. served as a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.<34><35> Gore spokesman Dag Vega declined to comment; "We are not dignifying those stories with a response."<36>

(Followed by this)

Opposition to Al Gore and Bill Clinton

During the 1992 presidential campaign, Phelps protested Hillary Clinton during a campaign speech in support of the Clinton-Gore ticket at the University of Kansas on October 14, 1992.
In Bill Clinton's second presidential campaign, Phelps and the Westboro church also opposed Clinton and Gore because of the administration's support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball<37>, denouncing Gore as a "famous fag pimp."<38> In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, "your dad's in Hell."<38>...

(edit)

(And most recently)

In a recent video sermon, Phelps targeted comedians Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, claiming that they are among the "scoffers and mockers" referred to in the Bible, and used them as evidence that we are in the "last of the Last Days." He was particularly critical of Colbert's Emmy Awards show performance, in which Colbert, tongue-in-cheek, called the Hollywood audience "Godless sodomites."<47> He compared Colbert's comments to the "blaspheming comics" of Sodom and Gomorrah and referred to both Colbert and Stewart as "sacrilegious buffoons."


Phelps is a loud mouth clown, that's all, and HE is DEFINITELY Going to Hell for many lifetimes.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:18 PM
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50. good idea! Thanks!!
I DID reference this:

"At this time the sources are themselves questionable,

in a previous post this thread. But the compiled info you just presented, with the other stuff from eggman, iching, and dsc just cleans it all up. Mwaahahahaaaaaa! It'll be my pleasure to send all this back to the person who sent it AND to the LCR.

Huh.

And I agree. If ANYONE is going to Hell, it's Phelps. As well he SHOULD!

Thanks, guys :grouphug:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:36 PM
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54. I don't think that ever was covered to be uncoverd. Non-story
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 06:54 PM
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56. Because being a Democrat is all about bashing Gays, right?
Ask anyone who quotes this, "if Gore is anti-Gay, why hasn't he mentioned it in the past 20 years?"

And "Why is he associated with a political party that abhors anti-Gay rhetoric?"
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 07:00 PM
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57. I had my picture taken many years ago next to John Schmitz
Trust me, I have no connection.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 08:22 PM
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58. Just goes to prove that people can change over time.
Some for the good...some for the bad.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 02:23 AM
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61. If this one thing is true, gays sure are lucky that
Gore didn't assume the presidency! Imagine what would have happened!
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HardRocker05 Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 04:18 AM
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64. i still haven't seen anyone say definitively that it's not true. if it is true, it would
seriously cool my enthusiasm for Gore.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:38 AM
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69. I have posted, twice, with a link, that some of it is true and much of it isn't
It is true that in the 1980's Gore was an anti gay candidate. That is a matter of public record. It is also true, that Phelps was a delegate for Gore in 1988, again matter of public record. But it is false that Phelps was invited to either inaguration and the son was invited to only one inaguration. By 1998, Phelps was protesting Gore Sr. funeral.
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Byronic Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 04:42 AM
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65. Saw an excellent documentary on the BBC
on this crackpot family. The always wonderful Louis Theroux spent some time with them (poor man).

Felt desperately sorry for their kids who are following their grandparents, and parents, poisonous beliefs.

Certain family members 'escaped' however. They are, of course, now 'going to Hell'.

Just like everybody. Except the Phelps family and those who share their beliefs. Hell is going to be awfully crowded.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 05:09 AM
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66. Earlier in his illustrious career, before he went after gays, Phelps hated Topeka, Kansas
Here he is demonstrating against the town. Don't know anything beyond this, found it in google images.



Anyone who hasn't seen Phelps speaking, heard his high, thin voice might want to see this trailer for a documentary created by a man from Kansas. Look in the "video" box in the right column of this article:
http://www.lawrence.com/news/2006/nov/24/ryanjones/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


So glad to see some DU'ers knew how to counter the Log Cabin guy's attempted attack on Gore.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:34 AM
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68. This is not the entire story/link
Edited on Sun Apr-29-07 08:00 AM by RestoreGore
This is rehashed meanspirited BS that was a world and a lifetime away, and meant to hurt Mr. Gore now. We do not know all of the circumstances behind any of that, but it was political in nature so look at it from that perspective and you can see why he would had to have stood in that picture at that time in history if he was running for office, which is more than likely why he has fallen out of love with politics... because it is phony. So who knows? I can certainly believe Phelps would use him as Mr. Gore was not the only Democrat he latched onto over the years. And again, we do not know how "rabid" he was at that time or what he may have done to charm others. And If I am not mistaken, I read an article years ago where Phelps actually trashed Mr. Gore for selling out to the gay agenda. One is noted below. I do not believe at all that Mr. Gore ever believed what he did in the same rabid hateful fashion or that it is even relevant now, because it isn't. And to those "Republicans" who originally posted this: If you don't have pictures of Mr. Gore holding hands with him now like Bush holds the hands of the very people who attacked us on 9.11 which you should care more about, you don't have anything to say, and we have much bigger fish to fry in this world now.

http://www.waf.org/familyarchives/relijus/AntiGayKansans.htm
They protested him and his father's funeral. They are scumbags.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:23 AM
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71. Hell Man... If You Go Back Far Enough, You Can Find All Sorts Of Associations...
that one later comes to regret.



<snip>

When the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) created a sensation by kidnapping Patricia Hearst, Jones told his congregation that the terrorism of the SLA was understandable, and he expressed admiration for the SLA. Among Temple members Jones distributed the declaration of the SLA's General Field Marshall, Cinque. Outside the Temple he had a different message. He said he deplored the terrorist violence of the SLA. Then he involved the Temple in the food distribution program that the SLA made as a condition for the release of Patricia Hearst.

Jim Jones was becoming well known in San Francisco, while the Hearst newspaper, the San Francisco Examiner remained suspicious of him. Jones was welcomed on the Left as a fighter for the common good and progressive causes. As one of a few speakers at San Francisco's Cow Palace, Jones made a dramatic show by speaking of threats to his life and the terrorism of U.S. government agencies at home and abroad. With emotion he announced that "if they come for one of us" they had "damned well better come for all of us." And for forty-five seconds the audience applauded with enthusiasm.

Temple members worked in political campaigns in San Francisco, which helped Jones win respect. He tried cultivating relations with the local chapter of the Black Muslims, without success. But with people who believed in integration he was successful. He befriended the Marxist philosopher and Communist Party devotee, Dr. Angela Davis, a member of the faculty at UCLA, who was critical of Jones but also supportive, believing as she did in coalition politics. The People's Temple participated in rallies that she supported. And, by associating with Dr. Davis, Jones believed he was strengthening his radical credentials.

Jones became acquainted with a variety of influential people, none of whom knew him very well. Jones had befriended Dr. Carlton Goodlet, a wealthy black who owned a local newspaper. Jones befriended the Reverend Cecil Williams, of San Francisco's Glide Memorial Church, and he became acquainted with Assemblyman Willie Brown. In 1975 Jones helped George Moscone win his election as mayor of San Francisco, and Moscone put Jones in charge of the city's housing authority. And during Jimmy Carter's campaign for the presidency in 1976 Jones' relished the fifteen-minute interview that he had with Rosalynn Carter.

<snip>

Link: http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch30.htm

And one time... at band camp...

:shrug:
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:55 AM
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72. And just as a reminder to them:
Mr. Gore is not a canididate.
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