Scott Brown Being Ridiculed by Baggers. Obama being trashed

[MineralMan]

by DUers and getting multi-recs. We just can't accept that nothing works as it should ideally. Nothing. If the baby cries, we're ready to throw it out as defective.

The parallels are just too sad.

[Turbineguy]

1. Yes. It took

over 30 years to get here. But I want it fixed right fucking now.

[MineralMan]

2. Especially this one, particular issue that concerns me.

[FSogol]

3. Agreed. He should have fixed everything by now. That's what I would have done!

:shrug:

[MineralMan]

7. Then it's FSogol for President in 2012.

Get 'er done now! :toast:

[FSogol]

9. Politics is just as easy as typing rants onto my email machine!

:party:

[MineralMan]

10. Absolutely. We have hundreds of experts on every subject,

right here on DU. Maybe that's the answer. We'll just replace the entire government with the most prolific DUers and everything will get solved forthwith.

[NJmaverick]

4. Two sides of the same coin

on both the right and the left there are those that hurt their side's cause with unreasoned attacks

[MineralMan]

6. Exactly. We ridicule the baggers for their stupidity in throwing out

their babies with the bath water. We fail to see the parallel, and often do the same here. It is a shame. It's also likely to cost us the majority in Congress. That'll help, huh?

[NJmaverick]

16. Yeah people are much better at spotting faults in others

than in themselves.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

22. I agree, as one of my fav quotes go:

Most of the people I know are more critical of their own faults. Especially when they find them in other people.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Yup. Holding politicians acountable is sooo undemocratic.

Oh, wait...

[MineralMan]

8. What's even better is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Yes, indeed.

[Soylent Brice]

11. i'm sure there is a comfortable middle where you can hold elected officials

accountable, while avoiding unecessary attacks that hurt the entire cause.

the wars continuing,to me, are the most disheartening thing thus far. i do my best not to let it discredit the positive that has been done though.

extremism is not the answer, but there has to be pressure. how else are they to know what the people want?

support and constructive criticism seems to be the right mix, IMHO.

[MineralMan]

13. The wars that were ongoing when President Obama cannot

be ended instantly. There is no possible way we could do that and hold our heads up, since both Iraq and Afghanistan would immediately move into civil war status, with other nations vying for control.

So, we're beginning the withdrawal in Iraq and not actually fighting there much at all any longer. In Afghanistan, we're taking one more stab at squashing Al Qaeda and the Taliban. It probably won't work, but that's the idea. Either way, we'll begin pulling out of there, too.

Obama did not ever have the option of just pulling out of either situation instantly. We started it. We have to try to leave something behind. If we don't the problem will grow even bigger.

Practicalities always rule. They always well. The real world does not run on idealism. It never has. It never will.

[Soylent Brice]

20. i think i may have come across incorrectly.

before reading this, please take into consideration that my tone is not one of anger, but calm and clear.

for me, i don't care who is in charge. i don't like war.

i would like an immediate end to both wars, but i don't claim to think it is 100% possible immediately because i understand how the world works. but the ideals have to survive.

the idea of peace has to survive.

peace is possible, just highly unlikely to be soon with the way the world is. the problem is that more people need to adopt the ideal. if not the world's leaders, then its people should.

"i hope some day you will join us, and the world will live as one..." and all that. i'm content with being an idealist. someone has to dream of better days.

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[MineralMan]

14. No, it didn't take a year at all.

The negativity began as soon as the election was over. In fact, it began before the election ever took place. Perhaps you've forgotten.

[dionysus]

15. feh, don't underestimate teh bitter. 99.999999% of the diaper brigade never wanted him anyways...

[MineralMan]

17. There appear to be two kinds of Obama detractors on DU.

The first kind have high progressive ideals in one area or another and genuinely wish we had a President who could wave his hand and make it so. I have empathy for them, and actually hold many of the same ideals.

The second kind are provocateurs, pure and simple. Some are good at it and have been here for the long term. Others are not so good and don't last long. However, both are pushing and pushing to stir up the animosity towards Obama. For the provocateurs, I have nothing but contempt.

I'd love having Dennis Kucinich as President. Trouble is, he can't even win a single primary, so that's right out. I really, really want a single-payer health care system. I can count maybe 10 votes in the Senate for that. President Obama can't do a damned thing to get enough votes for single-payer. I want some sort of reform, though, and I want it this year. It probably won't help me or my wife, but it will most certainly help some people. I'd rather that than continue on the current health care rollercoaster.

Provocateurs can kiss my ass. Sincere progressive idealists have my understanding and sympathy, but they're not going to get what they want, either.

Politics is the art of the possible. Let's hope the detractors don't make the possible impossible.

[bridgit]

18. Yup, more than a few predicted this would occur and because most do not want to be thought of as...

LW baggers they bolted, like skittish ponies, and ran away from their own inclinations...but it happened anyway. Taking the political-compass test the other trying to have as much respect for the sample as I could I generated this chart

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-6.00&soc=-2.31

But then I saw the responses of others; it appeared DUer's were trying to 'out progressive' each other with ever higher #'s clinging to the edges of what are extremes. So I retook the test, removed anything near the middle and voted in the pendulous extremes carved into the halls of DU and made my own DUer

:woohoo:
I call her Sally, and I just love her


Here's Sally's chart, you can open two windows and follow the bouncing ball http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-7.75&soc=-9.08 And you know RW baggers are up in the extreme & opposite corners. So a void between the two has been sanctioned by both. Its not so much a 'no mans land', so much as there is no land there, no ground common or otherwise. And while some say, "Fucking good! That's the way it should be! You don't like it leave DU and don't let the door yada-yada!!" For others it is enough to say simply,

"I told you so." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7760984&mesg_id=7761313

[Arkana]

19. I think it's hilarious that the teabaggers abruptly turned

on Saint Snotty Scotty.

[azmouse]

21. Just a simple K&R for an interesting thread.

:thumbsup: