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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:03 AM
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Outrage over UCSD party mocking black culture
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/17/outrage-expressed-over-party/

(UCSD is University of California, San Diego.)


LA JOLLA — A weekend party that involved University of California San Diego students and mocked Black History Month has drawn the ire of black students and prompted a condemnation sent to all students and faculty by the chancellor.

An invitation to the “Compton Cookout” event urged participants to wear chains, don cheap clothes and speak very loudly, according to wording circulated by outraged students and verified by campus administrators.As a guide for girls attending the event, the invitation read, “For those of you who are unfamiliar with ghetto chicks — Ghetto chicks usually have gold teeth, start fights and drama, and wear cheap clothes. …”

Several disgusted students and faculty met with campus administrators last night about the event, which was linked to members of a fraternity.

“These are the people I go to school with and knowing that they’re mocking my culture and the history of black people is really offensive,” said UCSD sophomore Elize Diop of Los Angeles. “I would like to see the fraternity get reprimanded.”

Campus officials say they likely won’t discipline any students associated with the event.

“Because it wasn’t a UCSD-sanctioned event, or run by a student organization, it doesn’t appear that there was a technical violation,” said Jeff Gattas, UCSD’s executive director of communications and public affairs. “At this point, we don’t have a reason to penalize them.”

....But an e-mail obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune from Gary Ratcliff, assistant vice chancellor for student life, linked the event to Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity.

“It was not an official Pike event, but the students who posted it on Facebook were members of Pike and other frats,” he wrote....


My friend from San Diego emailed me news about a protest of this event:




On behalf of SOM Diversity Response Coalition we would formally like to invite you as students, student leaders, future caring physicians, and humanistic people to unite and support our efforts to mobilize a response against the racist "Compton Cookout" party that was put on by a fraternity at UCSD off campus. If you have not heard about the incident, please read about it by clicking on the link. At the end of this email is a description of the party.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/17/outrage-expressed-over-party/

The SOM Diversity Response Coalition is a group of medical students that want to express solidarity with the UCSD undergrad community and the San Diego community to promote diversity and equality on campus and beyond. We are outraged that something like this could happen. However, we also feel that this is an incident that is not isolated. As future physicians, we face health disparities that arise from low socioeconomic status that is historically embedded in racism. Not only that, but the school of medicine has failed to increase our diversity partly because minority students want to attend a university where they will feel comfortable and cared about.


We ask that you please:

1. Join us next Tuesday Feb 23rd at NOON as we march in solidarity toward library walk. We will meet in front of OSA at 12:00pm. Please wear a black shirt or wear a black shirt with your write coat on top.
2. If you have time, please make a poster to represent your ideals.
3. Attend the "teach in" Wednesday, February 24th from 12-2pm at the Price Center East Ballroom as a UNIFIED student body!
4. PLEASE PASS THIS EMAIL ALONG TO ANY GRAD OR UnderGRAD STUDENTS THAT MAYBE INTERESTED IN JOINING US

In Solidarity,

Michelle Contreras
UCSD School of Medicine, LMSA Member
SOM Diversity Response Coalition



Here is the original invitation:


Party invitation
February marks a very important month in American society. No, i'm not referring to Valentines day or Presidents day. I'm talking about Black History month. As a time to celebrate and in hopes of showing respect, the Regents community cordially invites you to its very first Compton Cookout.

For guys: I expect all males to be rockin Jersey's, stuntin' up in ya White T (XXXL smallest size acceptable), anything FUBU, Ecko, Rockawear, High/low top Jordans or Dunks, Chains, Jorts, stunner shades, 59 50 hats, Tats, etc.

For girls: For those of you who are unfamiliar with ghetto chicks-Ghetto chicks usually have gold teeth, start fights and drama, and wear cheap clothes- they consider Baby Phat to be high class and expensive couture. They also have short, nappy hair, and usually wear cheap weave, usually in bad colors,such as purple or bright red. They look and act similar to Shenaynay, and speak very loudly, while rolling their neck, and waving their finger in your face. Ghetto chicks have a very limited vocabulary, and attempt to make up for it, by forming new words, such as "constipulated", or simply cursing persistently, or using other types of vulgarities, and making noises, such as "hmmg!", or smacking their lips, and making other angry noises,grunts, and faces.

The objective is for all you lovely ladies to look, act, and essentially take on these "respectable" qualities throughout the day.

Several of the regents condos will be teaming up to house this monstrosity, so travel house to house and experience the various elements of life in the ghetto. We will be serving 40's, Kegs of Natty, dat Purple Drank- which consists of sugar, water, and the color purple , chicken, coolade, and of course Watermelon. So come one and come all, make ya self before we break ya self,keep strapped, get yo shine on, and join us for a day party to be remembered-or not.



If you are in San Diego this Tuesday (23rd) and can get to UCSD, you can march in solidarity at noon.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:07 AM
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1. I thought this had to be made up
what kind of little shits ARE these fraternity students? WTF kind of homes did they come from?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:12 AM
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2. Teabagger parents....
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:36 AM
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4. Here's the fraternity's website:
http://www.pikes.org/

Their "Pikes in the news" page does not cover this incident.

http://www.pikes.org/media/documents/news/news.html
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:34 AM
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3. The university has been sending out press releases for days.
My friend in San Diego teaches at several colleges and is on a bunch of mailing lists. This came to him this weekend and he forwarded it to me.

Fraternities are not known for being the best behaved people in the world, but I thought this generation would have more understanding about racial issues and not use racist stereotypes for cheap laughs.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #1
29. Yeah, it's ugly, isn't it?...As to your question I would say
elitist, smug, racist, right wing.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:40 AM
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5. It's hard to believe any campus still sanctions the social greek system.
It's a great way to teach classism, cronyism, racism, and generally promote the kind of anti-democratic social divisions that universities should be trying to break down. And no, the great experience you had in your fraternity or sorority doesn't compensate for the system, so don't bother.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:43 AM
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6. I agree with you on this.
I refused to rush a sorority because I didn't want to be hemmed in by a group-think mentality, but you're critique is right on.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #6
22. here, here!
additionally, i wasn't about to pay for my "friends". and i'm a guys kind of girl anyway.
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keroro gunsou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #6
81. i joined a fraternity in college.
and they'd never have thought to try something THIS stupid. granted did a lot of stupid things, but this never would have been in anyone's mind.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. + 10^9
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:52 AM
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8. Power concedes nothing without a demand.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:08 PM
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23. I'm hoping that Keith will see this and make these students Worst Person in the World
They deserve some kind of humiliation.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:40 PM
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15. Here's the article from the UCSD paper
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. +11. nt
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:12 AM
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9. What. The. Fuck.
Appalling.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:57 AM
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10. Typical Over privileged, Vacant White Trash at play.
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 03:57 AM by TheWatcher
And I am so sure that they will learn their lesson by getting "Reprimanded".

These pieces of shit had better hope there are no real world consequences in store for them.

I personally would want to be on the jury that didn't convict whoever was responsible.

This country needs an Enema.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
39. No, they're probably rich kids.
The few poor ones who get to go to college at all are generally too busy working to have much time for things like this.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Noted, and after some thought, you are probably right.
Just the worst kind of scum.

Vacant, vapid, incurious, and Completely Out Of Touch with any kind of Reality.

I simply can't stand things like this.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
52. If they're at UCSD and in frats, they are probably upper middle class
...
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Tabasco_Dave Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:11 AM
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11. Get some real people from Compton to crash the party
It's only a three hour drive and it would really scare the little shits.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:28 AM
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12. Real people like who
Venus and Serena for example?
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:32 PM
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13. Exactly
.
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #11
71. why, do you think people from compton are scary, or black people in general?
pot, meet kettle....
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:37 PM
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14. Free Speech is a bitch and I hate this crap as much as everyone else
but the 1st Amendment is there to protect the bastard and bigot from government interference.

I am just as disgusted and would have protested this party too if I were at UCSD. Thank God my fraternity was in involved. My National office would never tolerate crap like that and I know most everyone in the the fraternity's hierarchy. Our risk management team would have pulled the plug on that the second they caught wind of it.

And I am very happy for that.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:47 PM
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17. Yes, this is protected by the First Amendment
But the school had to say something about this. It was UCSD students and this goes against the school's policies.
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:52 PM
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19. any mediocre constitutional lawyer would really have fun
show up the ignorant boobs for who they are, but their disgusting party cannot be banned. Sadly, it is their right to make assholes of themselves.

All I think of is Voltaire: "While I may disagree with you, I will defend to the death your right to be disagreeable." I believe I made a mistake and it's not the accurate quote, but I believe the sentiment is the same.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. The exact statement was
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:46 PM
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16. That Black History Month activity is disgusting
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:49 PM
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18. The comments at the SD paper's website are even worse.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:36 PM
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37. Those comments are some of the worst statements I've read in years.
Like this disturbing comment, the first posted:

"My problem with this entire thing isn't with the "Compton Cookout" because, let's face it, the black UCSD alumni get-together is just as bad. If a fraternity at a school in a mostly-black community had the very same cookout, no one would be saying a thing. ALSO, if black people had a white-guy party, wore trousers, spoke properly and danced funny, there wouldnt be NEARLY the outcry as there is now. Why is it that society thinks like this?? Think about if all the white UCSD alumni had a bash and excluded all black people from coming...?? It would be a huge public outrage, and would probably get people expelled, fired, and otherwise disciplined...there should be ONE standard and ONE standard only."

!@%$^@$!!!

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. I know, that was a bizarre comment.
There are some really disturbing comments on that site.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:18 PM
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24. Revolting. Kick for more visibility.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:25 PM
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25. Disgusting bigotry...
How did the frat think this stuff wouldn't get out? I doubt the event will even go off now, and I'm sure apologies will be forthcoming.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:48 PM
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26. Deleted message
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. Every year someone gets busted for this junk.
You'd think people would know better by now. Idiots.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #32
47. They seem to think they won't be caught
Apparently, the school is in an uproar about it.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #25
48. I'm sure there will be NO apolgies.
To borrow a phrase, black people have no dignity that some white people think they are obligated to respect.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. With this much attention?
I guess we'll see, but if anything the national headquarters will order them to because it makes the whole fraternity look bad.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. No apologies yet.
I'll check with my friend and see if anything has been posted.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #49
61. Yes with this much attention.
You will not see a sincere apology. At best you'll get a non apologetic "if you were offended" type of "apology" IF there's anything. And I still say there won't be one.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. So far, only the university has been apologetic
but they can't legally do anything about it.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:33 AM
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65. That was about as much as I expected. The school makes its displeasure known
while saying it can't do anything and the asshats who actually did the deed will either not apologize which is their first preference or they'll issue a non-apology apology. You'd think though that if the vermin throwing this party were members of a national fraternity that the national muckity mucks would at least do something distance themselves from such a blatantly racist gathering. Not having it advertised on their website doesn't quite cut it.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. Well, the school is holding a teach in and there will be a march on campus
But the little bastards will not apologize.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:52 PM
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27. K+ R. Who the hell is unreccing this? Do people even read anymore?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:56 PM
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28. Deleted message
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. Some trolls get paid to troll.
So the unrecs are just part of their daily leech activities.
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:17 PM
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30. Rec +1 - I must say I'm a bit stunned...
that members of this site would make such a concerted effort to hide this example of blatant racism and bigotry by using the unrec.

What a truly disgusting display. Who are you people?

Every time I turn around, there seems to be less and less reason for this place to even exist. It seems to be degenerating wholly into merely another propaganda outlet for the administration, with very little additional relevant content.

Nothing to see here, folks. Let's keep it moving.

Blah.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. This was posted last week, with lots of recs as I recall.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #30
44. +10,000
+
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 05:32 AM
Response to Reply #30
63. That's silly. It is almost certain that some people who are NOT on
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 05:32 AM by tblue37
our side in any way shape or form troll DU and unrec stuff. DUers go over to FR sometimes and do whatever they can to poke at the strange creatures on exhibit. Why would you automatically assume that the unreccers are true DUers? We know for a fact that some people who post here are FR types. Often they even brag about it on FR. That doesn't mean that the real DUers are not as real as they always were.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. Some trolls, some personal bashing
....
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #30
77. Sometimes people rec or unrec on accident.
Additionally, what is to stop 20 freepers from joining just to unrec threads?
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:28 PM
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33. disgusting
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #33
53. Amazing to think that 2 hours away from us is this kind of mentality,eh?
Crazy.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. yep
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #55
60. Below the orange curtain
as we used to say
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:29 PM
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34. UCSD started going downhill the day they lifted the ban on fraternities and sororities
I feel lucky to have gone there at a time when education was the most important factor in students' lives.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. When did they lift that ban?
?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #46
64. I graduated in 1980, the ban was lifted maybe 2 or 3 years later
I was shocked when that happened.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Wonder why they did that
Although isn't UCSD a young school?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Scripps Institution of Oceanography was founded in 1903, main campus started in 1960
The undergraduate program started in 1964.

I moved to a neighborhood just south of the campus in 1966 when my mom got a job at what used to be the main library (now the Cluster Undergraduate Library on the Revelle Campus), so I got to see a lot of the early construction as it happened.

I got to know a lot of big wigs because they lived near me - Roger Revelle, Herbert York, Herbert Marcuse, Herbert Stern (and a few other noteworthy Herberts), the family of Walter Munk, and on and on.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. I didn't know that Scripps was that old.
So was the Greek system ever a part of Scripps? I somehow think that would be odd anyway.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:32 PM
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36. This reinforces my belief in stereotypes
... about frat boys. Do NOT examine the comments at the link to the news article -- 90% rationalization in favor of the neato party. Pardon me while I hurl, dudes.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. I read the comments...horrifying. nt
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #36
54. Comments were vile
Agreed.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:30 PM
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41. I was sure it was gonna be the Dekes
a similar incident involving the Dekes at Tulane came to light during the recent New Orleans mayoral race, in which the Deke alum candidate and all-around malaka John Georges was administered a hazing-like thrashing by mayor-elect Mitch Landrieu.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:31 PM
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42. What is it about frats?
....
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:00 PM
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45. You Can't Spell Frat W/O FART n/t
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:44 PM
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51. Rimshot!
;)
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:05 AM
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56. K & R nt
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:07 AM
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57. K&R
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:16 AM
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58. Wow. Racist and sexist. It's a win/win
:sarcasm: this shit is like skits wearing blackface.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:35 AM
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59. No kidding!
It's vile.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:54 PM
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72. It's also
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 02:55 PM by omega minimo
an extension of white kids growing up with hip hop and commercialized black culture and calling each other Niggaz and never knowing any black people It's a farce to them. If they were smart Republican idiots, they would have hired a limo for some "Welfare Queens."
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 03:29 PM
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74. There is an argument that rap is
the new minstrelsy. I think that argument is extreme, but there is some merit in it.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:01 PM
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76. Indeed, the commercialization of rap may be.
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 11:02 PM by omega minimo
Spike Lee made that comment, as I recall?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:31 AM
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85. yep.
it was mr. lee.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:12 AM
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84. definitely...
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 04:20 AM by bliss_eternal
...but to be more specific, the popularity and commercialization of gangster rap (as opposed to just rap/hip hop).

early rap/hip hop was frequently dance and party music, where the artists spoke of not much more than people having fun....sometimes about nothing at all (think rappers delight by the sugar hill gang). much of rap is/was about "bravado"...so many of the artists even rapped about "opulence" and "wealth"...all the things they didn't have. much of rap was also about posturing and (seemed to me) the antithesis of the blues. the blues was a celebration of "how bad people had it." whereas rap lied about how good they had it. lol.

in the mid to late 80's more of the social consciousness rap developed and hit the charts (i.e. public enemy, krs-one, etc.). i honestly believe the minstrely came about after record companies realized they could make a lot of money from rap/hip hop. they attempted to "repeat the recipe" of the runaway success of one of the first "gangster rap" groups. any (and every) one w/"the street aesthetic" was given a deal....as these kinds of groups increased in visibility...well...you know. (sigh)





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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 04:33 AM
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86. your comment reminds me...
...of this sub-culture that developed:

http://www.wiggaz.com/

:eyes:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 02:54 PM
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73. .
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 02:56 PM by omega minimo
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 03:37 PM
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75. K&R disgusting
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:25 PM
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78. One would think that, of all the people in the fraternity...
...a few cooler heads would prevail.

What the hell were they thinking?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:44 PM
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79. Good God in Heaven...
:puke:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 12:02 AM
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80. That about sums it up.
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 01:06 AM
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82. Anyone shocked that Rove was a Pike?
Pete Sessions
Jon Kyl
Dick Armey

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 03:18 AM
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83. "... the event, which was linked to members of a fraternity..."
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 03:29 AM by WildEyedLiberal
Gee, there's a shock :eyes:

Edit: Oh, the Pikes no less. They had a reputation at my campus for exceeding even the typical fraternity douchebaggery standards.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 05:13 AM
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87. There's a difference between ethnic culture and...
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 05:14 AM by bliss_eternal
the culture of poverty. There's also culture that is manufactured, inspired by the fashion sense of entertainers, artists, various music genres, etc.

I reject the idea that any of the described is "black culture." I see what's described as the way some black people, who live in poverty dress and behave. Not all that different from the dress and behaviour of many non-ethnic trailer park residents, living in poverty (perhaps sans gold chains, gold teeth and hair weaves). ;)

Many of the aspects described reached society at large (via MTV) due to the fact so many hip hop/rap artists came from poverty, street gangs, etc.--and made these styles popular (w/others) through their videos. Their fashion sense is derived from gang and prison culture (as previously mentioned, these are social structures of poverty).

There are many people of color (black) who have never dressed or behaved in the ways described in that bigoted invitation.
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