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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 09:43 PM
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My two cents, Toyota DID put profits ahead of customer safety
Now it's coming out. It's what those of us who are in the industry and those who have been following this story (while those on DU who for YEARS bashed the shit out of me for believing in and standing up for the Domestic auto industry) knew all along. From the sludged up engines of the 90's and earlier this decade that they tried to blame on the customers even when many of them GOT THEIR OIL CHANGED REGULARLY AT THE TOYOTA DEALER, Toyota still tried to put the blame on them. Then there was the case of the truck frames rusting so badly spare tires were breaking free (along with axle assemblies) and careening down the road while Toyota tried to blame it on the 'overuse' of salt in the Northeast and Midwest, when in fact it was happening all over the country. WHY? Because they loaded the frames with recycled steel in manufacturing (rust never sleeps) and cheaped out on anti-corrosion measures, the customer suffered.


Now these fuckers are trying to dodge a HUGE bullet because of unintended acceleration, bad breaking design in their precious Preus (and a hearty shout out to all of you who thought you got greenwashed by buying one)and now a possible defect in the electric steering in their little Corolla. What is wrong with these people? And they were PROUD of how they fooled the US Government into accepting their versions of the problems. How dishonest.

Toyota saved $100 million by limiting recall


Toyota officials claimed they saved the company $100 million by successfully negotiating with the government on a limited recall of floor mats in some Toyota and Lexus vehicles, according to new documents shared with congressional investigators.

Toyota, in an internal presentation in July 2009 at its Washington office, said it saved $100 million or more by negotiating an "equipment recall" of floor mats involving 55,000 Toyota Camry and Lexus ES350 vehicles in September 2007.

The savings are listed under the title, "Wins for Toyota — Safety Group." The document cites millions of dollars in other savings by delaying safety regulations, avoiding defect investigations and slowing down other industry requirements.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35510079/ns/business-autos/


They DESTROYED auto manufacturing and the living wage in the South where they burrowed in and fooled so many Governors and Senators into thinking they were the economic salvation their states needed, when in fact Toyota just didn't want to pay for SKILLED UNION TRAINED CRAFTSMAN in the rust belt where they have been making cars for 100 years. And then to top it off, they enjoyed an uneven playing field in Japan, where we can't even establish a manufacturing plant or import virtually ANY Domestic built cars because the standards and restrictions on AMERCAN CARS are so over the top it is virtually impossible to own one in japan. Yet Buick is the NUMBER ONE selling car in China. Go figure.

What's wrong with this picture people? DO you really think that piece of iron you are driving is really safe and well made? Have you been blinded by the PR firms Toyota and Corporation japan have used for years to convince us that their crap is better than the crap we once made here?

I told you all so. I told you all to the point of nearly being tombstoned numerous times. The rooster has now come home to roost. You can have your japanese shitboxes and death traps. We make better cars and we just proved it. NEVER in the history of auto making has a manufacurer ever had their entire line of vehicles recalled at the same time. Toyota has achieved that status alone. And so many here wanted GM and Ford to simply fail and get out of the way of the japanese machine.


Looks like the machine done got recalled.


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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 09:52 PM
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1. PREACH IT DB!!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 09:57 PM
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2. electric steering in a corolla?...
well i guess we are`t the ones eating crow....

if i had money i`d be at the ford dealer placing an order for the new twin turbo 500.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 09:59 PM
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3. New Taurus SHO
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:35 PM
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4. Yeah, so what's new. Corporations will all go for the profit. It's their nature.
Corporations have no soul and should never be expected to. If we dont want them to kill us, we must regulate them.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:23 AM
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8. +1
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 04:23 AM by depakid
American car manufacturers have and would do the same- as would most any other corporation if they could get away with it.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 10:38 PM
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5. Oh hell yes they did.
Edited on Sun Feb-21-10 10:39 PM by Brickbat
"Just like every other company," apologists will say. But Toyota was one of the first to undermine American business and business practices as you outline here:

They DESTROYED auto manufacturing and the living wage in the South where they burrowed in and fooled so many Governors and Senators into thinking they were the economic salvation their states needed, when in fact Toyota just didn't want to pay for SKILLED UNION TRAINED CRAFTSMAN in the rust belt where they have been making cars for 100 years. And then to top it off, they enjoyed an uneven playing field in Japan, where we can't even establish a manufacturing plant or import virtually ANY Domestic built cars because the standards and restrictions on AMERCAN CARS are so over the top it is virtually impossible to own one in japan. Yet Buick is the NUMBER ONE selling car in China. Go figure.


I couldn't have put it better myself. RIGHT FUCKING ON.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-21-10 11:09 PM
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6. I'm gonna keep kicking this. n/t
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:19 AM
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7. Penny wise, pound foolish. Just what Toyota is NOT supposed to be.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 06:59 AM
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10. It's what they always have been. n/t
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:41 AM
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9. I hate to say it, but it took two to tango as far as fucking over workers.
Maybe if so many southern governors and state congressmen weren't so corrupted by corporate money and right wing ideology, then they wouldn't have had the idiotic "right-to-work" laws that Toyota took advantage of to keep its labor costs down, since Toyota has never been a unionized company.

It took a fucking hell of a lot to destroy the Labor Movement in America, and Toyota was just a benefactor of something that was almost entirely the fault of the American far right.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:13 AM
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11. They all do it.
Every model of every manufacturer has a project rate of death. They all know that the new model will kill 100 - 1,000 customers before the first one is ever sold. It's kinda like rat shit in food. There is an acceptable level and it's not zero.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 07:19 AM
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12. Really. Trying to spread the blame around, hey?
Could you direct us to some evidence (maybe) of your hypothesis, or is this your way of defending the actions of Toyota? Got evidence? Links? Even hearsay we could pummel until you slink away?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:13 AM
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13. Let's look at the true facts of the matter and not hyperbole on your part
One study does address the unintended-acceleration problem for all automakers.

In December, Consumer Reports magazine reported that Toyota and Lexus models accounted for 41 percent of all unintended-acceleration complaints submitted about 2008 model year vehicles before Aug. 28, 2009.

Ford Motor Co. was second with 28 percent of the 166 cases.

Chrysler Group, General Motors, Honda and Nissan together accounted for 21 percent of the complaints.

Put another way, the ratio of complaints per vehicle sold was one in 50,000 for Toyota, one in 65,000 for Ford and one in 500,000 for GM, Consumer Reports said.


Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100222/RETAIL03/302229930/1018#ixzz0gGmeEB4W
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 08:28 AM
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14. As the story goes with any Mr. Big these days. To the bone marrow and beyond.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:43 AM
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15. SAY IT, friend!
:yourock:
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 09:13 PM
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16. kick
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