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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:56 PM
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Muslim group wants government to call plane attack terrorism
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"A leading Muslim advocacy group is pushing government officials to call the suicide plane crash in Texas "an act of terror," saying that if a Muslim had been flying the plane there would be no hesitancy to call it terrorism.

On Thursday, Andrew Joseph Stack III flew a small plane into the IRS's four-story office building in Austin, killing himself and at least one federal employee. Before the incident, Stack allegedly left a series of messages on a website expressing his disgust with the IRS, saying at one point that "violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer."

"Whenever an individual or group attacks civilians in order to make a political statement, that is an act of terror," said Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

"Terrorism is terrorism, regardless of the faith, race or ethnicity of the perpetrator or the victims,” said Awad, adding in a statement that "if a Muslim had carried out the IRS attack, it would have surely been labeled an act of terrorism."

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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:00 PM
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1. I agree
It was an act of terrorism.
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:05 PM
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2. Of course it was terrorism...if a Muslim did it it would be called terrorism.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:09 PM
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6. If it fits the classic definition of terrorism, it is what it is, no matter how it is labeled
:P
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:07 PM
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3. I agree with them.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:07 PM
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4. .
:popcorn:
Buckle your seat belts!
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:08 PM
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5. I put McVey and Stack in a different category.
They only attacked our government. The Muslims attacked both government and civilians. All are terrorist however.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:12 PM
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9. What?
How is it that civilians died, and yet were not attacked?

:wtf:
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shawcomm Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:13 PM
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11. McVeigh only attacked government?
Stack too? McVeigh killed children as well as adults. Stack killed adults. People. They killed people. The IRS is still running along, it didn't get hurt one bit. The only way to kill the IRS is through government action. I group them right along with the other terrorists.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:34 PM
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16. Ahem. Allow me to extend a hearty "fuck you, you ignorant twit"


I suppose that's a GOVERNMENT toddler?

Kiss my ass and fuck off.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:42 PM
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21. Civilians died. Many, many of them.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:10 PM
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7. Dick Cheney won't let us because he says we're not at war with this kind of terrorist.
He wants to categorize each incident on a case by case basis.
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:10 PM
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8. Stack is no different than Timothy McVeigh
Unfortunately we now live in the age of only Muslims are terrorists.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:13 PM
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10. Fine. But stop your whining. Or as Chrissie Hynde would say, stop your sobbing.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:20 PM
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14. Damn those uppity Muslims for pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:35 PM
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17. Thankfully, Christianity is peaceful.




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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:17 PM
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13. I consider it an act of terrorism.
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:28 PM
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15. I have a neighbor who works for the government
She is a lovely person. She is also Mormon which I know is a dirty word here on DU. Dehumanizing people we disagree with is one of our biggest problems and we are all guilty of it. It's easier to hate and harm someone you can dehumanize. I see alot of dehumanizing right here on DU of the other side whether that side be political or religious or whatever. We all need to work harder at getting to know people as people even if they have different religious or political views. I am lucky in that I know and love people who have different political and religous views than I do. So, even though I disagree with them I still see them as people.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:41 PM
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19. Should the plane attack be called terrorism? nt
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:42 PM
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20. yes
Edited on Sat Feb-20-10 02:44 PM by liberal_at_heart
That is my point. Because these people worked for the government he dehumanized them and it made it easier for him to justify hurting them. But at some level we are all guilty of dehumanizing those we disagree with. That is where the danger lies.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:43 PM
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22. Thanks for the answer, wasn't sure. I agree and also that a big part of problems is "us" vs "them"
since we are all we, with differences between each of us.
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:45 PM
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23. exactly
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:36 PM
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18. And they are absolutely right
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TerryJ2 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 03:03 PM
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24. not terrorism
No. If a single Muslim attacks an IRS office and leaves a long blog detailing his life history, fine, he's a single Muslim.
If a group of them do it, under the direction of someone else, and have been receiving $ from that source, and seek to terrorize as many people as possible, then it's terrorism.
Stack was very specific in his blog. Read it.
What he did was wrong. Why he did it is understandable.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 03:59 PM
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25. "Why he did it is understandable."
Wow.
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