All who favor impeachment: Have PATIENCE

[mudesi]

It is the unfortunate reality that government is slow. I wish the Democrats would hop on board Kucinich's Cheney impeachment immediately, but the fact is these things take time. He has to lobby the Democrats hard to get their votes, the people have to contact their representatives and Ms. Pelosi and order them to support impeachment, the media needs to get on the same wavelength, a lot of things have to happen before impeachment can really initiate.

One thing that is certain, of course, is that Mr. Bush has committed impeachable crimes and, if the people of America and the rest of the world are to have any confidence in Democracy itself, he must be impeached. Otherwise all is lost.

We all live in a culture that predisposes us to immediate gratification, which is one of the primary reasons so many supported the Iraq war, incidentally. (Those who bought it expected it to end in 3 weeks, and indeed, Mr. Bush's 70% approval ratings right after that "Mission Accomplished" fiasco attest to that fact).

I give it, at the latest, until September of 2007. If impeachment proceedings are not happening by then, I say the Democrats deserve all the criticism they get.

Remember, though, that patience is a virtue. In the meantime, I urge everybody to take the time to contact their representatives (even if they are Republicans) and tell them to support, for a start, the impeachment of Dick Cheney. I know the wait is frustrating, but give it some time. It can happen.

[ccpup]

1. I agree with you

and have talked 'till I'm a lovely shade of blue in the face to help others here understand. But, be warned, you may get flamed, so get your graham crackers, your chocolate and your marshmallows ready 'cause with the heat (possibly) coming your way, you could hold a veritable s'mores party!

Good luck.

[elocs]

8. Let me add my agreement. Too many want and demand impeachment NOW!

Apparently they could care less if there is a chance of Bush actually being convicted. They can only assume that will happen, but like Speaker Pelosi, I can also count and there are certainly not 67 votes to convict in the Senate. I would love to see the impeachment now crowd explain exactly where these votes will come from other than that they will magically appear. Or is conviction of Bush not really important?

What is it that we really need to see impeachment get legs and start to run? A Republican representative or Senator to ask like Senator Howard Baker asked during the Senate Watergate hearings: "What did the President know and when did he know it?"
I have a feeling when that happens, coming from a Republican, that the walls will really start falling down for Bushco. There just may be a Republican on a committee
willing to ask that question and let's hope there is a matching Republican like John Dean with a conscience to answer it.

[Scooter24]

2. I highly doubt anything will happen regarding impeachment.

They have around October to get it done. After that, they'll be more concerned with wrapping up other legislation before holiday recess and then we get into election year.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

3. snarl drool slobber...

:grr: where's my meat?

[Ghost in the Machine]

4. I'm out of patience. I don't want excuses, I want RESULTS!

ok, ok... I know we've only been in control of Congress for a couple of months now, and the wheels of justice turn slowly..

I just want what I want, and I want it yesterday!

:hi:

[midnight]

5. Let's do it. Or in the words of my precious father-shit or get off

the pot. I wish I could sound more patient,but I can't.

[mikelgb]

6. 6 years of patience and counting

[dave_p]

7. No

No more patience. To get such a process under way needs the grassroots firing up now. Building a movement isn't going to embarrass anyone except time-servers keen on a quiet term and uncontentious re-election. To hell with that. Even demanding action now doesn't mean any practical consequences for months. It's certainly essential that any process doesn't peak and become ancient history way before Nov '08. But at this rate there'll be no process, no action, nothing. Enough is enough. It's time for Congress to take the gloves off. And we know it won't do that without being told to.

[Senator]

9. It's Been More Than One Year...

...since we witnessed a theater full of Democrats in complete agreement about the moral necessity to impeach and remove these election thieves and purveyors of "Urinary Authoritarian Executive"** neofascist power. As is typical of Dems, the evening was long on lamentations about how to get the Euphemedia, or the harried masses, or somebody somewhere to see our victimhood and help us in our plight.

Hopes were expressed that if we were patient enough -- and/or things got bad enough -- it was certain that our cargo plane full of support and agreement would soon be overhead.

Since that time we've had the failure to run the campaign on impeachment -- resulting in the slimmest of (impotent) majority control because the electorate was completely "Anti-Bush" and in no way "Pro-Dem."

Even with that ability to at least get the impeachment objection on the historical record, the first order of business was to put it "off the table" -- to allow torture and illegal spying on Americans to continue while "100 hours" of masturbatory, futile busyness was undertaken on our tattered laundry list of domestic luxury issues.

We've heard manifest idiocy like "No, we'll get cheney!" from the likes of Harry Reid and Patty Murray. (As though they've lived in a cave for 6 years and have no idea that cheney is what we have now.) And fear of "divisiveness" from Diane Feinstein, when dumping bushcheney and opposing torture is likely the one thing that over 70% of the electorate could actually unify behind.

And even John Conyers himself has renegged on his promise to impeach. And his claimed excuse??

Wait. Have patience for it.

"The short answer is that there isn't time"

Seems the Waiting Room is already closed.

Now, what really can happen is continued and increased pressure from rank and file Dems -- promises (not threats) to "Lamont" these so-called "leaders" in their primaries for such failure -- commitments to keep pushing until we get people unafraid to stand against the neofascsts and for our Constitution and democracy.

So tell them to have patience. They'll soon be relieved of their burdensome duty to act.


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** Urinary Executive or Urinary Authoritarian Executive (slang, DCspeak) n., (en)title -- the "newly-discovered," or "inherent" (i.e., faith-based) Constitutional Authority for an appointed ruler (as opposed to elected leader) to piss down the back of the American People and tell them it's raining.

See also, Trickle-Down Economics

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[KaryninMiami]

10. Thank you, Senator- well stated.

And a warm hello from Miami where we hope to have a huge crowd today for the "unwelcome reception"/Impeach rally for Bush this afternoon.

[Senator]

21. Yes, keep rallying

Even if they call you crazy. Even if the party apparatus won't help. Even if it seems likes you can't win. Even if you have to go door to door to prove that you have always had support from more people than they say. Even...

Oh wait. That's not impeachment. That's Curtis v.Feeney. :)

Make some noise for those of us who can't get to a rally today.

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[blueworld]

11. Thank you, Senator, but now I'm depressed

I've come to the conclusion that impeachment is vital to our national security. Every time the Bush administration is confronted with bad press or proof of misconduct, they catch an al-Qaeda operative or break up a terrorist plot.

Impeaching Cheney is probably the only thing that will motivate them to really go after bin-Laden. :sarcasm:

[Senator]

22. Sorry and Welcome

And you're quite right that it's a national security matter.

But more people like you speaking out -- (newly) here and anywhere else you can find -- can make them act.

The situation just demands more determination and effort.

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[warren pease]

20. Excellent. And let me add three compelling reasons for immediate impeachment..

- High crimes and misdemeanors must have consequences and these criminals must be punished to the full extent of the law.

- Impeachment is necessary to slow down or halt their agenda through 1/09. Left unchecked, and given their track record of doing the absolutely worst possible thing in all cases, things could get far worse, impossible though that may seem.

- They must serve as an example of what will happen to the next right wing cabal if it tries to replace representative democracy with fascism. This is perhaps the most important of the three, since there's no limit to the number of junior fascists in waiting, hitting the campaign trail flush with Scaife money, getting the 30 percent fundie vote by default, untroubled by media scrutiny, and ready to make their mark. Kind of like the new, PR-savvy Klan -- same dumb-ass racists, same play book, same targets, but showing a smiling face and offering a friendly hand to the world.

There is a fourth reason for impeachment -- the undeniable fact that impeachment proceedings would be more fun to watch than all the old Groucho Marx movies put together -- but that's so small of me that I almost hesitate to mention it.


Hee Heee HEEEE


wp

:evilgrin:

[Jade Fox]

12. Thank you

You have articulated what's been rattling around unformed in my head on this topic for awhile.

[Orsino]

13. Keep working for impeachment.

Patience is a virtue, but it plays into the hands of the criminal Admin. If impatience gets you off your butt and calling your reps more often, use it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. I am enjoying the investigations

but I want impeachment on the table by July. If they wait much longer, they will be too busy worrying about their re-election campaigns.

[lonestarnot]

15. You are right I suppose.

But mine are running thinly.

[ThomWV]

16. However: We'll Never Get It Later If We Don't Demand It Now

If we make demands it will take a long time, if we just hint that we think impeachment is a good idea it will never happen.

Get out into the streets, to talk to your neighbors, get the facts out, then just like the Buzzard on the branch, "screw patience, let's go get 'em".

[lovuian]

17. I just want to see the democrat who votes No for Impeachment

of Cheney cause thats going to a vote that they will remember a long time

[ClayZ]

18. That was one of the questions in the debate.

"Show of hands for those of you who support Dennis K. in impeaching Cheney"

NOT ONE Hand went into the air.

[porphyrian]

19. I had patience for six fucking years. There's none left.

The "government is slow" bullshit is an excuse. How long does it take for them to vote themselves a raise? Fuck that, I demand action now.