Do you remember the reason people deny global warming?

[Kablooie]

If global warming is accepted as truth, corporations would have to spend money to control their emissions.

Corporations want to keep their money so they deny global warming. Somehow they've convinced conservatives to fight for their greed.

The idiots that buy into this are basically saying that it is worth having the whole human race suffer, forever into the future, in order to allow our current corporations to grow a little richer today.

The fact that they and their descendants get nothing from defending this and in fact will be suffering along with everyone else in the future as a result, doesn't seem to bother them at all.

Defending immediate corporate greed is the only thing that matters.

It boggles the mind how people can think this way, but so much of the unreasoned, illogical conservative thinking today boggles the mind.

[90-percent]

1. Frank Luntz

The great Conservative media manipulator. He single handedly invented climate change denial. His place in history is secure, and it ain't a good place! Imagine what people will say about him fifty years from now?

-90% jimmy

[Viking12]

6. While Luntz mastered the genre, he didn't invent it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio

[safeinOhio]

2. I no longer call it global warming or climate change

I call it pollution. They can't argue with that and everything that humans do that can cause climate change is pollution. Auto exhaust and the burning of coal cause health problems. That is enough reason to reduce it.

[kenfrequed]

17. Well put!

And I definitely agree that we need to move this argument back to reality.

[Control-Z]

23. I use a similar argument.

I ask deniers what is wrong with cleaning up the air we breath and the water we drink. That the actions being taken in the name of climate change benefit each and everyone of us whether the climate is changing or not. Not to mention the advantages there would be to changing our depency on foriegn oil.

I have yet to meet a denier who doesn't agree with these points.

[RT Atlanta]

3. Succintly stated!

n/t

[spanone]

4. conservatives are the epitome of greed

[Jim__]

5. If they believe in Global Warming at all, they believe poor people will pay the consequences.

The rich will hide from the heat in air-conditioned houses, will always be able to afford gasoline or whatever to drive their cars, and can move around the world to find a satisfactory climate. They don't believe that Global Warming will have a big effect on them.

[ThomWV]

7. At first, to discredit Al Gore, second, because regulation will be required and they hate regulation

Regulation = expense and expense eats into profit. Its that simple.

[Uncle Joe]

15. I agree with your post and the O.P. the Republican power players are party first and nation second

if not third, this precludes them from acknowledging a Democrat from being on the correct side of an issue; particularly one of such importance.

They were afraid Gore would be a two term President with the impact of FDR, had they done so and this would've threatened their dysfunctional and immoral so called Reagan Revolution.

[raccoon]

8. Off to Greatest! nt

[MindPilot]

9. Reminds me of the late sixties and early seventies

when automotive emission controls and safety equipment were mandated. That would lead to the ruination of the car biz donchano.

[The2ndWheel]

10. It would really be an easy problem to solve if it were that simple

Even easier if it was a "problem" with a "solution".

Immediate corporate greed is a symptom, not a cause.

[Bigmack]

11. Some corporations have it figured out....

insurance companies are getting out of flood/hurricane prone areas. Florida is an example. I think they know, at some level, that warming/climate change is coming.

[lpbk2713]

12. Yes

They listen to AM radio.

[jimlup]

13. Coorporations prey on stupid people

and they have a large reserve of them who they use to do their dirty work in the Republican party. Simple and obvious.

[deaniac21]

14. If the developed countries are forced to cut emissions the

corporations will just move factories to third world countries. They can't lose either way.

[robdogbucky]

16. What I read over and over again

from those that resonate to that corporate message is that it will mean higher taxes to solve it, (BAD) that it will impede corporations right to profits, (EVEN BADDER)and of course the whole theory is a secret plan by Al Gore to get rich quick. (REALLY, REALLY BAD)

These are the three themes that I constantly read from reactionary opposition to doing anything about it. That is why they have couched it recently in, "well, the trends don't support the theory," and "the trends are just natural cycles," and "we can't hamper progress when there is only theory to support it."

That is why it was so important to cast doubt upon the scientists. Of course none of this opposition was evident until someone proposed that we take governmental steps to address it. That means war in their language, and well, they have better things to spend their war nut on. Like securing more of those natural resources they like to exploit. Can't go on doing that if we have to change direction and, GOD FORBID CHANGE OUR LIFESTYLE.

Who's Funding and Pushing Climate Change Denial:
"Here's a guide to the dozen loudest components of the climate disinformation machine.

No. 1: ExxonMobil
No. 2: Lord Christopher Monckton
No. 3: American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity
No. 4: Plants Need C02
No. 5: American Petroleum Institute (A.K.A. Energy Citizens)
No. 6: Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (A.K.A. ClimateDepot.com)
No. 7: The Heartland Institute
No. 8: Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change (A.K.A. The Idso Family)
No. 9: FreedomWorks
No. 10: Tennessee Center for Policy Research (A.K.A. Carnival of Climate Change)
No. 11: Federation for American Coal, Energy and Security (A.K.A. FACES of Coal)
No. 12: Institute for Energy Research (A.K.A. American Energy Alliance)

<http://motherjones.com/special-reports/2009/12/dirty-do... >



Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky

[earth mom]

18. Not only that but now they're trying to make nuclear power look as pretty as a rose.

:puke:

[fascisthunter]

19. that's exactly what it is all about

and the right wingers are tools promoting the half-truth like the weasles they are. It takes a bit of courage to be honest and something I have grown to realize is that right wingers never seem to be able to afford any honesty nor honor.

[Xenotime]

20. Follow the money. I see green tech being set back by 20 years.

We need to start teaching them when they are young.

[Kablooie]

21. One thing conservatives never ask. Why is there a world movement if warming is false?

What possible advantage could there be for people to falsely claim that the world is warming?

Why would all the countries in the world be having expensive conventions over this if it's a scam?

Who benefits?

Conservatives never think it through or ask questions. They just accept propaganda as gospel.

Just like they do the gospel.

[robdogbucky]

24. Kablooie the alleged advantage to falsely claim that the world is warming

is an issue of population control. At least amongst the cultists in the Utah legislature that recently endorsed a resolution asking the feds to cease all funding of any ACC control measures until "more research," is done etc.

One of the biggie fundie claims is that it is a world-wide conspiracy, to wit, with a thanks to DUer Hatrack, who published this in a post on February 5, 2010:


Rep. Mike Noel, the Legislature's chief climate-change skeptic, declared Thursday that global warming is a conspiracy to control world population. The House Natural Resources Committee then approved a resolution that expresses the Utah Legislature's belief that "climate alarmists' carbon dioxide-related global warming hypothesis is unable to account for the current downturn in global temperatures."

The resolution, sent to the House on a 10-1 vote, would urge the Environmental Protection Agency to drop plans to regulate the pollution blamed for climate change "until a full and independent investigation of the climate data conspiracy and global warming science can be substantiated."

EDIT

Rep. Phil Riesen, R-Holladay, questioned Gibson about the "conspiracy" wording in the resolution. "A conspiracy?" he asked. "By whom? To what end?" "I'm not sure we'll ever know the depths of it," said Gibson, adding that it was hard to separate the hype because "we only hear one side of the argument."

Rep. Roger Barrus, R-Centerville, who supported the anti-regulation part of the resolution, called the wording "pretty inflammatory" and counter to the Legislature's standards of civility. But Noel defended the "conspiracy" wording, pointing to an out-of-print textbook, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment , written in the 1970s by biologist Paul Ehr - -lich, Ehrlich's wife, Anne, and physicist John Holdren about the potential hazards of unchecked population.

EDIT

http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_14337716


Now it's also to control world population, get it? Just like the commies tried to do, get it?

There was a hilarious post on that thread that cited a posted study that all Utah adults were afflicted with lead poisoning many years ago and that it might account for the bizzare behavior of its legislature.

The reactionary press and blogosphere are really feeling their oats in attacking ACC, citing the Climategate emails, the alleged "Himalayagate," and the alleged "Amazongate," where reputedly other scientists have repudiated or disputed the data used. Just Google "global warming scam" and you can read a mittful of this stuff.


Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky

[timeforpeace]

25. The appeal of fucking with the corporations and the industriaized nations?

[Kablooie]

26. A typical reasoned and logical conservative viewpoint. Give me a tin foil jacket to go with my hat.

[Dulcinea]

22. Selfishness and laziness.

As someone I know said: "I don't want to change. I don't want to sacrifice. I like my life the way it is, thank you very much."

If that's not selfish & lazy, I don't know what is.