White guy flies a plane into a building and it isn't terror, WHY THE FUCK NOT!?!

[xultar]

Goddamnit. WTF.

He has a political angle, and he usesd violence to try and make things change.

Sounds like fucking terror to me.

I'm fucking terrorised. Those people in that building were terrorised.

Teabaggers who agree with this fucker are terrorist. When they get all whipped up and shit I feel fucking Terror.

There I said that shit.

And Glenn Beck and Rush, and that crazy Michelle Bachman, that crazy munchkin bitch from SC Wolf...Grassley, Palin, all those fuckers need to be rounded the fuck up and sent to GITMO. There. I SAID THAT SHIT TOO. They caused those fuckers to get all whipped up and now they need to pay the goddamned price for that.

I bet people in other countries are laughing their asses off @ us and that whole cry wolf thing will go into a-fucking-fect.

They always say...homicidebombers and how could they do that shit well one of theif fuckers did that shit. Now they fucking know that maniacs talking bullshit 24/7 on Faux and Clear Channel can cause the same impact as a Mulah in Afghanistan. The fucking proof is in the pudding in Austin.

Why is this guy disturbed but a suicide bomber in Iraq is not. Desparation @ your situation is desparation and a Muslim who is desparate is the same as a teabagger in TX but why is the Muslim labled a terrorist and the teabagger was fucking disturbed.

I'm just gonna say this shit and imma let you talk. FORT FUCKING HOOD. The Teabaggers better rethink trying to hang this as terror on Obama's watch that before people wake the fuck up and call a fucking quacking duck a fucking duck.

Good
Night.

[gratuitous]

1. He's white - Duh!

Now, if he'd keyed an SUV or torched a logging truck, then he could be an eco-terrorist. But otherwise, white people aren't terrorists.

[Shell Beau]

6. Well Timothy McVeigh was considered a terrorist.

[G_j]

10. by who?

No doubt by the FBI, but we're probably talking about the media.

[Shell Beau]

12. Pretty much everyone who didn't support his "cause"

[movonne]

38. They would be called tea bagger today..

[Shell Beau]

69. Well today the use of the word terrorist is mostly (if not only) used

for someone of middle-eastern descent,and that is totally false. All of those kids who have shot up schools are terrorists. Many of them may be mentally ill, but the fact of the matter is they wanted to cause terror, and that they did. I can't say I have seen any of them really labeled as terrorists though. But terrorists come in every human form unfortunately.

[NoFace]

103. By who? The FBI's definition of 'terrorism' is really the only one that counts and...

...they certainly don't (only) use it for people of middle-eastern decent.

[Shell Beau]

174. I would guess that most people on the watch list are either

Middle Eastern or Muslim or both.

[sasquuatch55]

154. Our Government terrorizes us daily!

nt

[louis-t]

183. How long before the insane RW blames Obama?

Just askin'.

[Chemical Bill]

49. A guy at work calls him a patriot.

Guy at work is a whack-job of the first order.

Bill

[Shell Beau]

62. Ugh! How disgusting.

[NoFace]

104. People HERE are calling for us to sympathize & try and understand this brave beleaguered soul. wtf?

[Javaman]

162. It's truly incrediable...

It's like talking political correctness and turning it into performance art.

After reading that nuts little manifesto screed, I came away with this: everyone else was at fault but him, he never took responsibility for his failure to pay his taxes, big brother government is the cause of all his ills so therefore to make a point, he retaliates by 1) burning down his house 2) burning down his house with his wife and child still inside 3) using an airplane as a weapon to exact revenge on innocent people who had nothing to do with his issues.

Yeah, a real stand up guy. :eyes:

I honestly will never understand people here on DU that are trying to paint this guys screed as something more than some jackass feeling entitled. Whether he made good or bad points in his little manifesto is beside the point. even a broken clock is right twice a day, but it doesn't mean I will set my watch by it on the hour.

The guy was a fucking nut.

[daleanime]

195. Yes he was....

now who helped push this little nut down the hill?:mad:

[fascisthunter]

193. those folks get an automatic ignore from me

[BrklynLiberal]

199. Ditto

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Bobbie Jo]

215. +1

...and still at it too.


"No....let's not call him a terrorist."

Unbelievable

[Carni]

201. Wow that is disturbing...

I really don't know how anyone can think the plane crasher was admirable in any way shape or form.

[laconicsax]

52. That's pre-9/11 thinking.

Don't you remember? 9/11 changed everything. Now terrorism can only be committed by non-white, non-Christians.

[Shell Beau]

65. I am sure if the guy in the plane was of Middle Eastern descent,

it would be a much much bigger deal, however, terrorists have always come in all forms.

[laconicsax]

101. Especially in movies.

To the best of my recollection, movie terrorists used to usually be well funded white guys making an obscure political statement.

[crazyjoe]

67. no he wasn't ,because he's was not a terrorist.

see my reason down thread, frankly I'm getting tired of explaining this to people.

[Chemical Bill]

71. McVeigh acted alone?

You might want to google Terry Nichols, and let's not forget that white supremacy group that had an FBI informant at the head (except I forgot the name, so start with Nichols, ok?).

Bill

[Shell Beau]

76. Obviously he didn't act alone and he was also very pissed off

about the government's handling of the Waco situation and Ruby Ridge, and this was his revenge. Sounds terroristic to me.

[crazyjoe]

129. ok, so any criminal who has "one" partner, is now a terrorist?

is it now progressive to push the "everyone's a terrorist" memo
where you see a big scarrrry terrorist, I see a punk who's mother didn't pay enough attention to him.
sorry, you fail

[tempest2s]

158. What is terror?

Terror, horror, panic, fright all imply extreme fear in the presence of danger or as some call it, evil.
All violent crimes induces extreme fear in the minds of the victims. Terror is psychological and there is no distinction between the terror you'll feel if someone broke into your house and pointed a shotgun at your face and a group of extremists holding you hostage at gunpoint for political idealism or whatever cause they pursue. When you take away reasons, ideology, ethnicity, etc. what is left is your state of mind, terror, plain and simple.

[Shell Beau]

173. Who is pushing "everyone" as a terrorist?

We are talking about McVeigh here, and most people would agree that he is a terrorist. And the other point is that if the guy that flew his plane into the fed building was say Iranian, etc., it would have been automatically assumed to be terrorism. Get it right dude.

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[Chemical Bill]

221. I was going by your definition.

If you don't like your definition, just say so.

Bill

[Shell Beau]

73. I found your explanation, and it is so weak.

I don't care what your explanation is anyhow. He was a terrorist. Period. Thanks though.

[crazyjoe]

128. no, he wasn't. he was criminal, he was a murderer, but he was not

a terrorist. do you see terrorists around every corner? how right wing of you, you may be in the wrong place.

[mwb970]

131. Help me out. Why isn't this terrorism?

A man attempts to violently kill innocent people to make a political point. That is my working definition of "terrorism". What is yours?

[Shell Beau]

172. Oh ok.

:rofl:

[onehandle]

85. McVeigh's attack was terrorism.

It was a plot by multiple people to commit a terrorist act.

Mission Accomplished.

[crazyjoe]

130. so you see terrorist around every corner? I guess bush

accomplished his goal.
only on the weak minded of course.

[JDPriestly]

157. crazyjoe, how do you define "a terrorist act"?

[BrklynLiberal]

198. Do you hear crickets? I swear I hear crickets....

:rofl:

I wonder if this person would define Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the shooter at Fort Hood as a terrorist? Bet he would since Hasan is "MUSLIN"

[spin]

219. Wikipedia calls McVeigh a terrorist...

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was a United States Army veteran and security guard who was convicted of bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, the second anniversary of the Waco Siege, as revenge for, or to inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal government. The bombing killed 168 people and was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.<2> He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death and executed on June 11, 2001.
emphasis added
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

As does CNN:

Although Hanger did not read the T-shirt lettering in court, CNN has previously reported the shirt was printed with the Thomas Jefferson quote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Prosecutors argue that papers, letters and books found in McVeigh's car are evidence of his anti-government motivation for the terrorist attack.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9704/28/okc/

[G_j]

9. true dat

the only white terrorists are the enviro-activists.
Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph? ... just a disturbed persons.

[xultar]

16. +10000. For got about that.

[npk]

66. Shhhhh. He was disgruntled.

He also left a note, rationalizing his actions. We all know, thanks to Bush, that Terrorist only come from the middle east and have weird sounding names. Move along!

[Richard Steele]

79. It's a fact. K&R

[NoSheep]

92. Can I get an amen?

:smoke:

[Suji to Seoul]

106. White, Republican, Business Owner, Tax protester (more than likely) and targetted the IRS

He's a patriot, not a terrorist. He even has a good sounding name.

Hell, McVeigh has that Mc in front of it, and you know how those Irish and/or Scottish are like.

[tblue37]

206. Who said he was a Republican? I haven't seen anything about that--though admittedly I have

been at work all day and not connected to the net.

[Betty Karlson]

111. Quote of my boyfriend, who is

not a WASP, to me (WASP):

"Now we know, we need to let you do the talking if we accidentally crash something explosive into a Texas government building."

[NoSheep]

189. Nice!

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[Ron Green]

2. You tell it.

Yes, go on.

K&R

[timeforpeace]

3. Oh, it's terror all right. Who said it wasn't?

[PassingFair]

148. FOX News....

I was in a restaurant yesterday and the TV's had
the super reading "Not Terrorism" across the live
feed of the burning building.

Not brown skinned = No terror.

[bigmonkey]

4. Actually, I was afraid this was going to be hung on the "leftists."

After all, if someone doesn't like George W. Bush, they're a "radical leftist." Will Beck give this that slant soon?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

23. Versions of his suicide note are out there...

If you can find a link that's around long nough before it is pulled, check it out. pretty long suicide note.
From what I gathered after reading it, I would geuss is he is not a "leftist" then he is certainly is left leaning.
He certainly wasn't prime teabagger material unless I'm way off my mark today.

[timeforpeace]

59. Leftist, left leaning, whatever, means nothing in the long run.

[sasquuatch55]

156. Left or right, they SUCK!!!

nt

[BR_Parkway]

114. One of the M$M "news" stations was reporting he was a member of Teabagger

group down in Austin last night - I think it was CNN

[AtheistCrusader]

187. Yet he seemed to be whining in favor of UHC or at least against the insurance industry

and in favor of a bailout for 'little guys' like him.

Which doesn't sound like teabagger material to me.

[Junkdrawer]

5. It's only terrorism if it can be used to justify foreign wars.

Get it right.

[inna]

28. we have a winner here.

[npk]

68. Or prop up a campaign. n/t

[Yavin4]

80. Foreign Wars Where There's Oil

You have to be precise.

[tabatha]

7. Absolutely a terrorist.

"Update: Austin suicide pilot planted bomb in car at airport, federal officials tell NBC; bomb squad trying to defuse it"

[hlthe2b]

8. Our country is immersed in hypocrisy, it seems...

Up is down, down is up, but we can't call a spade, a spade.

[Mz Pip]

11. Here's the deal

You have to have links to the mideast to be a terrorist. That's the only criteria. This guy was just a disgruntled taxpayer. He heeded the call of the Teabaggers and gave his life for their anti-government revolution. And he was white. That doesn't count.

He's probably a fucking hero in their eyes. :patriot:

Mz Pip

[onehandle]

13. Few teabaggers have the smarts to be a terrorist.

But they do have the hardware.

[hlthe2b]

14. Nut in restaurant...packing

I don't want to open a CCW debate, but really, would you want to eat in a restaurant with this guy packing? Can you deny this guy is a "nut"? Even the most ardent CCW-supporter, can you honestly tell me this guy does not make you think twice?

[appal_jack]

19. This is OC, not CCW

This yahoo with a pistol in a leg holster at a political protest is Open Carrying. If he was (properly) CCW'ing, no one would know that he had a firearm on him.

-app

Edit to add that Xultar is spot-on with her OP. k&r

[hlthe2b]

34. right.... but my question remains the same....

Would you want to sit down in that cafe with this guy obviously packing?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

48. It probably wouldn't deter me if I was really jonesing for a latte...

But you can bet I'd sit away from him and keep my eye on him.

Someone OCing like that is obviously demonstrating. It's unlikely he would do anything.
Most people planning on shotoing up a place don't carry in plain view while waiting at the register for thier food.

[appal_jack]

50. I support the 2nd Amendment

I am a strong believer in all our civil rights and liberties, so yes, I would be fine sitting down at a cafe where this guy was, as long as he was not otherwise acting aggressively or inappropriately. However, the combination of his sign (while protected by the 1st Amendment) and his handgun (protected by the 2nd) would cause me to pay extra attention to 'situational awareness' for sure, just in case he should decide that it's my own blood (or that of any of other innocent cafe patrons) that should be watering the tree of liberty.

For the record, I have been through the NC CHP class (our acronym for Concealed Handgun Permit) and presently hold a valid NC Carry Permit. I rarely carry though, as I live in a fairly safe town, work in a facility where handguns are prohibited even for permit holders, and the hassle of securing a 2 lb. hunk of steel on my person is not often worth the effort and inconvenience for me on my days off either. Despite all that, I am glad to have the right and option to carry when circumstances warrant. There are times when I am transporting $60,000 worth of tools to (side-job) work locations where I know I will be alone and robberies have occurred previously that I am sure to concealed-carry.

-app

[mwb970]

132. I would walk out the moment I spotted him.

But hey, that's just me.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

29. Nuts ARE the reason I like to carry my handgun concealed.

I don't want want them knowing I'm packing and I certainly don't want to be left at their mercy should they decide to have "an episode".

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[Hyper_Eye]

116. Why was he put into a Starbucks?

That picture was actually taken outside of an Obama town hall. Did you put him in Starbucks or was this just a picture you found? If there is something being conveyed here I don't get it.

[Rebubula]

122. Pretty bad Photoshop....eom

[Blue-Jay]

15. I wouldn't call it "terrorism".

Some looney-tune decided to blame everything on the IRS, and crashed his plane into the local IRS office.

[leftstreet]

17. +1

[Robb]

87. +2

[davidpdx]

108. +3

[live love laugh]

137. The same way that some other looney tunes who weren't white did. They were called terrorists. nt

[Hosnon]

175. -6. Using force and terror to achieve political goals is terrorism. nt.

[Chemisse]

18. I don't think it is terrorism.

He is not part of a larger network with specific goals to 'terrorize' because of political differences. It is not a political statement at all (except he really hates paying taxes, I gather).

Just because people were scared doesn't mean it is terrorism.

I don't see how this is any different than the guy who went into his town hall and shot town employees because he was really upset about some zoning ordinance.

People like that don't expect to change anything by inducing fear; they just can't control their sick rage.

[mwb970]

138. I'm still confused. Are you saying there are no individual terrorists?

To be a "terrorist", one must be "part of a larger network", is that really what you are saying? And are you really also saying that crashing a plane into an IRS facility because you hate the government is "not a political statement"? Excuse me?

:shrug:

I guess you just interpret words in the English language differently than I do.

[Chemisse]

217. I guess I think a terrorist must have a particular objective

And be working with others to achieve it.

Otherwise, he is no different from any other flipped out gunman.

[penndragon69]

141. He was a part of a terrorist network

They are called TEABAGGERS, who get their fanatical fatwa orders from
Rush,Beck and the Nazis on clear channel stations.

They are the biggest and MOST dangerous terrorist network
in the United States.
Round them all up and lock'em down!

[leftstreet]

20. Because there's no place for the MIC to go invade and occupy n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

22. K&R!

Well said :thumbsup:

[ThomWV]

24. Because I have no fear at all that someone else will do the same thing tomorrow

He terrorized no one.

[Cali_Democrat]

27. Bullshit

If you're ass was in that building, you would feel terrorized.

He crashed a plane into a building and you don't think anyone was terrorized?

[ThomWV]

142. Are you that much of a coward? If so do not project your irrational fear on me.

If someone flew into a building yesterday it will have no effect on me going into a building today - in short I am not terrorized because crazy people do crazy things. If you are so cowardly that you would be terrified to go out into public because of this do not project your irrational fear on me - I'm way better than that.

[Cali_Democrat]

190. I'm referring to the people who experienced the situation first hand

They are the ones that probably feel terrorized. I don't feel terrorized at all.

[Pithlet]

208. I had no fear that the same thing would happen to me after 9/11. Was that not terrorism?

In fact, the odds did not go up for anyone significantly that it would. But 9/11 was still roundly called terrorism. And rightfully so. Same as what Stack did.

[demosincebirth]

25. I would say if it walks like a duck and has feathers... = An American Terrorist ?

[TroglodyteScholar]

26. I found it mighty curious...

...looking at Yahoo! news earlier, there were two articles...one saying it wasn't a terror attack and another saying he left an angry suicide note about the IRS. I cannot for the life of me understand how this is not a terrorist act. The only explanation is that our nation has a racist double standard about what we will and will not call terrorism. Very sad.

[xultar]

54. I just got fucking fed up myself. This woman was talking about how he was just

disturbed.

I was like fuck that this is terror don't give him a pass.

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[paulsby]

97. that's hardly the ONLY explanation

it's your false dichotomy is what it is

[dgibby]

145. The Govt. doesn't consider the Ft Hood shooter a terrorist. n/t

[bc3000]

180. I concur

He acted alone so it seems to me that the Fort Hood shooter would be a good analogy. I don't see how you can call one terrorism and not the other.

[Sebastian Doyle]

31. If this isn't terror, then by definition 9/11 was not terror.

And if 9/11 wasn't terror, then all excuses to stay in Afghanistan are null and void (as if they weren't already)

So which is it?

I'm happy to write this teabagger wackjob off as "not a terraist" if it ends the useless occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.

[xultar]

61. 100% agree! Great post

[NoSheep]

89. Sebastian Doyle is one hundred percent correct.

[RedRoses323]

181. Bravo!!!!

:toast:

[Captain Hilts]

32. Wish I could disagree with you. nt

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

33. He is not a terrorist

anymore than people who commit murder suicides.
That's really all this was except with a plane and not a gun/car/knife...

He was pissed off at the IRS, flipped out, and acted the crazy person.
It's not like he was part of some cell or conspiracy plot.

[Mz Pip]

44. Um...

If you pay any attention to the RW anti-government, anti-tax rhetoric that comes out of the Teabaggers or is posted on Free Republic or Stormfront, this is exactly the kind of thing that they are hoping for. This is their "revolution" in the making.

Fortunately most of them don't have the balls to carry it out. Thank God for small favors.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

45. Read this guys suicide note.

Or "alledged" suicide note.

He comes off as left leaning quite a bit to me. Certainly not teabagger.
If he was a flat out teabagger... you might have a point. But that's not the perception I'm getting.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

47. Sounds like he was flat out screwed.... legally. nt

[Mz Pip]

51. If there is anything

in that note that can be remotely construded as leftist then expect Rush and Hannity to be crowing about this deranged leftist terrorist. And it will all be Obama's fault. Count on it.

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

98. left leaning, then you missed the whole first part about not paying his taxes

[wroberts189]

112. I read it to.. he was no teabagger. FOX will paint him as a left wing extremist/terrorist. nt

[wroberts189]

113. "alledged" ..good point... but Huffington post says they got it out of Google's cache.

[xultar]

57. Seriously? If it had been a guy named Said or Sharif eople would be screaming

For blood

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

60. Some people might...

Some people are screaming terrorism here. Oh well.

I don't allow my perceptions to be molded by what some people think.

[NoSheep]

91. Isn't the point here that if one will call ANY ONE a terrorist they should also say this one is?

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

100. Yes, if we intend to be consistent

Some may argue that the army terrorist who shot up Texas base, a while bake, was not a terrorist as well.

So we may need a new term for crazy people who commit acts of terror, but have no group affiliation.
in the mean time I am with you ..... a terrorist is anyone who commits an act or terror.

[Obamanaut]

118. Some right here on DU argued that the Ft Hood shooter was not a

terrorist, despite:

wounding/killing several bystanders;

effectively closing down one of the largest military bases in the US;

creating chaos among the friends and relatives of those who happened to be on base that day, due to non- and mis- information being leaked by the various news sources;

causing the airwaves to be monopolized with his escapade for several days;

causing the internet/blogs/forums to be monopolized for several days;

But no, here for many he was not a terrorist.

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

99. So in your definition of terrorist, it says you have to join a group?

[drm604]

35. Self Delete

[drm604]

36. Who said it wasn't terror?

Sorry, I just got in from work and this is the first I've heard of any of this. From what I've read so far it sounds like this guy would qualify as a terrorist. Has somebody been saying he wasn't?

[ZuluSierra24]

40. terrorism

Terrorism is used as a tactic to spread fear and chaos. Joeseph Stack, the pilot of the aircraft, was mad at the IRS because of the damage the IRS did to him. The act he committed was an act of reprisal, it was not an act to spread fear and/or chaos. His actions cannot be qualified as terrorism.

[mwb970]

139. Sorry, no.

His manifesto spoke of inspiring others to follow his example. How is that not "a tactic to spread fear and chaos"?

I'm having trouble with the idea expressed in this thread that this was not a political act, was not terrorism, and was not intended to start a movement (a la McVeigh). Where is this denial coming from?

:shrug:

[pnwmom]

37. If it IS terror, then they'll say it was "terror on Obama's watch."

But it isn't. It was one nutball case, as opposed to an organized group of people acting for a cause.

[Therellas]

39. i dont know.

i reread the letter.

[Therellas]

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[O is 44]

42. He looks like too many in the MSM...

and they control the message. It is easier to demonize people who do not look like you.

[DevonRex]

43. He's a cowardly little shit trying to excuse his own failures by writing a bullshit suicide note

that blames everybody but Glen Fucking Beck for his problems. Not a terrorist. Just a smarmy little weasel who didn't want to pay his taxes and stuck a bullshit faux quote at the bottom of his bullshit cowardly noted.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

46. His note reeked of a persecution complex.

There was a fair bit of anti-corporatism, anti-corporate-congress, and anti-tax... but mostly he suffered from a persecution complex.
If indeed that note is real and sincere.

[DevonRex]

53. Exactly. Who knows if he even believed what he wrote?

Perhaps in his mind he was doing the teabaggers a service by pointing fingers at a lefty philosophy with his "to each according to" quote.

[stray cat]

55. Terror, terror, terror! - the typical DU response if any act is labeled terrorism

is scorn - people should be thrilled its not being magnified beyond a murder and suicide - so far the death toll is less then for a traffic accident

A female teacher murdered more people last week

[K Gardner]

56. I just like the way this effin' reads.. puttin my bookmark into e-effin-fect. K&R

[Nikki Stone1]

58. He fits the definition in the unPATRIOTic Act:

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act ""dangerous to human life"" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.


http://www.aclu.org/national-security/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism

[crazyjoe]

63. fort hood wasn't terrorism and neither is this

they were acting alone, not part of any large organization planning a series of attacks to a political end.
otherwise they are just crimes. Why do i have to continually explain this?

[stranger81]

77. Because it isn't true, that's why.

Whether someone is a terrorist or not has nothing to do with whether or not he or she acts in concert with others. Where did you get that idea???

[crazyjoe]

126. fine, what's the definition of a terrorist then?

is a drug dealer a terrorist? are all murders terrorist? if i go through a stop sign, am i a terrorist?

[mwb970]

140. Good Lord. We don't know what a terrorist is?

A terrorist sacrifices, or threatens to sacrifice, the lives of innocent, uninvolved people to make a political point and to frighten the associated power structure into taking the actions desired by the terrorist.

Stack said he wanted to inspire others. He tried to kill innocent people to make a political point. These are the acts of a terrorist as defined above. Many here say only "he's not a terrorist, he was acting alone" as if that had anything to do with it.

I am as baffled by this denial as I am by the goofy stuff on FR. How strange to read such on DU!

:shrug:

[stranger81]

194. The Oxford English Dictionary defines a "terrorist" as

"a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." Makes no difference whether or not that person acts alone.

[BlueMTexpat]

153. Check the definition in Reply #58.

By that definition, he is indeed a terrorist.

[WolverineDG]

64. US Rep for that area, Lloyd Doggett called it an act of domestic terrorism

How about that?

dg

[xultar]

81. Bet it was a Democrat because Republicans are going to praise his ass.

[WolverineDG]

83. My cousin is a Republican

and should have been in the building today, but thankfully wasn't, and no, my cousin is NOT "praising his ass."

dg

[xultar]

84. Glad your cousin is o.k. But, you know what I mean.

[Geek_Girl]

70. This was definitely an act of terror and Civil Unrest

But I don't think Stack was a tea bagger. He was just a man at that breaking point. Like millions of Americans out there.

[reflection]

72. Absolutely right.

Call it what it is.

[JerseygirlCT]

74. He's white. And probably not a "muslin" nt

[scentopine]

75. Here is real terrorism by real terrorists - Blue Cross

Jacking up rates by more than 30%. This terrorism is killing Americans by the thousands.

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/blue-cross-hikes-calif-individual-rates-39-percent-obama-admin-demands-justification/

[troubledamerican]

78. Oh no. I bet the building will pancake and collapse too.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

82. looked like the small plane going into the Pentagon

tongue in cheek

[Robb]

86. I couldn't disagree more.

Words mean things, and this is not terrorism by any definition. Or, to adapt your tone, he didn't try to change shit. :D

This guy was a tax cheat who was caught, tried to kill his family and then offed himself in an (apparently) characteristically self-absorbed way.

His manifesto was all over the map; he said so much bullshit you could effectively tie him to any political party if you cherrypick.

Always a pleasure, by the way.

[W_HAMILTON]

93. ???

He purposefully flew an airplane into a government building, killing innocent civilians, because of a cause he espoused in a manifesto.

Is it because he wrote it down, intead of reading it to a camera while dressed in military garb with a rifle at his side?

Of course he's a fucking terrorist.

[Robb]

150. !!!

:D

What "cause" did you read in that manifesto?

If I get fired from a bank, and drive my car into the bank's front window and kill myself, what kind of manifesto would I have to leave behind to convince you it's terrorism?

If I get caught cheating on my girlfriend and drive my car through her living room, what would my manifesto say? And is it terrorism?

You're reaching. Terrorists don't start the day by trying to burn their family alive. It is however *just* what a crazy person would do.

[W_HAMILTON]

222. Terrorists are crazy people.

Most of those examples you listed wouldn't write a manifesto to begin with.

Those situations are not comparable to what happened in Austin.

What is it that you see a difference in, between 9/11 and this? The number of casualties?

It is terrorism. Just because you are not "terrified" does not mean otherwise. As I said in another thread, I am planning to attend the University of Texas at Austin this fall, in their MPA program, and I someday want to work for the IRS. In a few years, one of those offices destroyed could have easily been mine. I could have been one of those people killed.

Having lived in a small city most of my life, this attack hits closer to home (so to speak) than 9/11. It's like Al Qaeda attacks are something that happen in NY, or Washington, or overseas. What happened yesterday in Austin could have happened to me.

Yes, it is terrorism.

[Robb]

224. I'm glad you asked.

The biggest difference is that nowhere is it evident that the crash in Austin was an attempt to influence policy. The attacks in NY and DC clearly were.

And just because you were "terrified" by this in a more personal way than on 9/11 does not make it terrorism.

I'm sorry you were, by the way.

[NoSheep]

88. There you go! OMG!!! You have said it all! I love you Xultar!!

Ahhhh. Sanity is such a peaceful thing. The truth will set you free and it will set you OFF!!!! Fucking Fucks!!!!

[NoSheep]

90. If anyone doesn't get the message in this...I'd have to say you aren't reading it right.

[NoSheep]

94. I'm just kicking this again because I love it.

:crazy:

[bertman]

95. The BRAINWASHING is complete. Twenty years ago if someone had done what he did it

would have been called a suicide-revenge attack or some such designation. Nowadays our gummint has convinced us that any individual who "goes postal" is a T-e-r-r-o-r-i-s-t.

And amazingly, here we are on a Democratic website acting like a bunch of right-wing Patriot Act supporters, calling this guy a terrorist.

Terrorism used to require that there be a political agenda behind A GROUP's tactics to TERRORIZE the populace/government into doing its bidding. This act was not that.

[dgibby]

152. Thank you.

The indoctrination in effect since Bushco took office has been quite successful. The PTB in the Republican Party have used neurolingustic programming of the reptilian brain to great effect, creating a state of constant, underlying unease and fear. That's why it was so easy for them to rally Congress and the public to support two illegal, immoral, and unnecessary wars.

[Kievan Rus]

96. Silly liberal...only foriegners can be turrorists!

:sarcasm:

[Tim01]

102. People have a hard time believing the IRS is the one being terrorized.nt

[tempest2s]

146. IRS

The IRS is like the mafia with a badge.

[Kyril Enko]

105. Kicked and rec'd

I agree 100% xultar!

[TwilightGardener]

107. He's a terrorist. No better than McVeigh.

[tomm2thumbs]

109. sorry, only turbans count - maybe if he had a koran or something we could give him 1/2 credit

did he happen to call Pakistan for computer support? - there might be a way....

[Sultana]

110. White Privilege

[ShortnFiery]

123. +1000

:thumbsup:

[CubicleGuy]

115. It's simple

They don't want to call this terrorism because they don't want it to stay in the news. And they don't want it to stay in the news because it involves an anti-government American who put his heart out there about why he decided to do what he did. They don't want you to think about why an average American might have a gripe with the IRS. They want it off of the news shows and off the newspaper pages.

[harmonicon]

117. Care to fill me in on what it is this is about?

Not everyone is constantly tuned in to cable news or talk radio. I seriously have no idea what you're referencing here. Context, please!

[upi402]

119. A lone wolf fool flew his Cesna? into an IRS building he was pissed at

He left a manifesto that was both liberal and tax resister. He burned his house fisrt. His wife may have been at the neighbor's due to domestic dispute. Programmer, so smart.

[harmonicon]

121. Wow, that's nuts - thanks for the info (nt).

[NNN0LHI]

124. How do we know he was a "lone wolf" less than 24 hours after the event?

If his name were Muhammad we would be discussing if this act was the first wave. How do we know this guy isn't part of some first wave of teabagger suicide pilots?

And what part do you consider liberal about his manifesto?

Be specific.

Don

[upi402]

218. FBI report, and you can read the manifesto online n/t

[JetCityLiberal]

120. It is Terrorism, just like the Terrorism of right wing racist bigot Terrorists McVeigh, Nichols

Please also ask President Obama's mouthpieces Rahm and Gibbs why is isn't.

Paul says it IS TERRORISM.

Agree with xultar. Tell the President is is Terrorism.

Paul

[BEZERKO]

125. And don't forget the unapologetic

Scott Roeder, may he rot in jail for many years.

[deacon]

127. It IS terrorism. n/t

[Soylent Brice]

133. fucked up, isn't it? it's the New Double Standard. n/t

[4_TN_TITANS]

134. "I owed the IRS $150,000 and settled it for pennies on the dollar"

No Jerk, you cheated the American people of your fair share. What chaps my ass is that this dickweed was just another TAX CHEAT who didn't want to pay his fair share to maintain this country.

Where's the story on just what the money collected by the IRS goes toward, and people who try to ROB the rest of us by not paying their share? Where's the tie-in to the UNpatriotic TeaBaggers who want a free ride for all the services, but don't want to pay a dime?

I hope somebody has the balls to paint this loser as a Terrorist Tax Cheat/Deadbeat.

[951-Riverside]

135. Muslim Arab guy kills 13 people on an army base and it isn't terror, WHY THE FUCK NOT!?!

...oh wait its only cool the make topics like this about white guys. My mistake. :eyes:

[Tailormyst]

136. He's no more a terrorist then the guy at Ft Hood

They were both men who's minds snapped. Not terrorists.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

143. now this is a righteous rant!!!

[tomp]

144. i know you're just fucking ranting and saying "that shit" a lot, but...

...your last line is terribly inconsistent. you spend the whole post talking about how this was a terrorist act, but in the end you don't want anyone saying "terror on obama's watch". why not?

it is, according to you, terror. and it is, according to reality, obama's watch. should obama not be held accountable for FAILING to deal with the violent tendencies of the right, which have been multiple and pretty much front page for some time now?

[comtec]

147. After reading up on this, I don't think he is a terrorist

This was not an action planned, thought ought, or calculated to "create terror or fear".
I didn't think Ft. Hood was terrorism, just a worker going postal.

That McVeigh did WAS terrorism, he had clear goals, motive, and methodically planned with others, what he was going to do.
The same thing with 9/11 (putting the conspiracies aside for a moment) - it was methodically planned with a purpose towards creating fear.

I think what was said up-thread about this story being buried, is true.

What if we all started to take our revenge on the government and corporations?

There are plenty of ways of committing revenge that do NOT involve acts of violence.

Honestly I didn't know about this until i read this thread.
I'm a little insulated being in Holland where I can barely understand the news >.<;

[sendero]

149. Because he is dead..

.. and he can't do it again? Because he was not part of any organized effort?

What is so fucking hard to get here?

[mmonk]

151. It is and was an act of terrorism.

[beyurslf]

155. Um, white guys can't committ terrorism. We're just misunderstood by society as a whole

since we don't have any type of minority status. Duh!

[JDPriestly]

159. Actually, it probably was a terrorist act under the Patriot Act.

Here is the definition of terrorism for domestic security in Section 802 of the Patriot Act:

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED.—Section 2331 of title 18,
United States Code, is amended—
(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking ‘‘by assassination
or kidnapping’’ and inserting ‘‘by mass destruction, assassination,
or kidnapping’’;
(2) in paragraph (3), by striking ‘‘and’’;
(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end
and inserting ‘‘; and’’; and
(4) by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(5) the term ‘domestic terrorism’ means activities that—
‘‘(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are
a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or
of any State;
‘‘(B) appear to be intended—
‘‘(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
‘‘(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
‘‘(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by
mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
‘‘(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction
of the United States.’’.
(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT.—Section 3077(1) of title 18,
United States Code, is amended to read as follows:
‘‘(1) ‘act of terrorism’ means an act of domestic or international
terrorism as defined in section 2331;’’.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_bills&docid=f:h3162enr.txt.pdf

Here is a part of the ACLU's comment on that definition:

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act ""dangerous to human life"" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.

Section 802 does not create a new crime of domestic terrorism. However, it does expand the type of conduct that the government can investigate when it is investigating ""terrorism."" The USA PATRIOT Act expanded governmental powers to investigate terrorism, and some of these powers are applicable to domestic terrorism.

The definition of domestic terrorism is broad enough to encompass the activities of several prominent activist campaigns and organizations. Greenpeace, Operation Rescue, Vieques Island and WTO protesters and the Environmental Liberation Front have all recently engaged in activities that could subject them to being investigated as engaging in domestic terrorism.

. . . .

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism

International terrorism is separately defined. Here is that definition under the U.S. Code:

United States Law Code – the law that governs the entire country – contains a definition of terrorism embedded in its requirement that Annual Country reports on Terrorism be submitted by the Secretary of State to Congress every year. (From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)

(d) Definitions
As used in this section—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism;
(4) the terms “territory” and “territory of the country” mean the land, waters, and airspace of the country; and
(5) the terms “terrorist sanctuary” and “sanctuary” mean an area in the territory of the country—
(A) that is used by a terrorist or terrorist organization—
(i) to carry out terrorist activities, including training, fundraising, financing, and recruitment; or
(ii) as a transit point; and
(B) the government of which expressly consents to, or with knowledge, allows, tolerates, or disregards such use of its territory and is not subject to a determination under—
(i) section 2405(j)(1)(A) of the Appendix to title 50;
(ii) section 2371 (a) of this title; or
(iii) section 2780 (d) of this title.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/whatisterroris1/ss/DefineTerrorism_5.htm

[slvrthrn]

160. Local Newspaper.

Check out the nice little poll and reader's response at my local newspaper. Join in if you would like.

http://www.timesreporter.com/homepage/x692835162/Daily-poll-for-2-19

[Javaman]

161. He didn't hi-jack a corporate owned airliner...

:sarcasm:

It's only terrorism when corporations lose money.

[Jefferson23]

163. He didn't say something praising Allah, ya silly.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

164. Bush, Cheney & Osama Win, but this was not terror.

Reading these posts and comments, reading then re-reading Stack's memo(?), this was not an act of terrorism.

He was a poor, tortured soul who in his opinion had no other way out of his situation. Did he want to leave this existence
making a statement? Heck yes, and he did. Did he scare people? Of course. Question being, was that his intent? We have
no idea. From his writings it did not seem to be the case, he was a very angry, bitter, stomped on individual. He probably made
mistakes in his life leading up to this, we only have his account, one sided at best.

When do we stop being afraid? Scared of every shadow that we can't explain. When does rational thought come to our lives again?
We are shocked, have been since 9/11. Osama needed that to work his agenda, Bush & Co. kept up the shock therapy, now we take
it as everyday normality. We are, well some of us are, very comfortable in that shock. We are quick to blame groups, other than our own
for actions we can't explain, then label them as terrorist activities.

Reading Stack's memo, I read lines in there that I have read on DU over the years. Not the "to his life specific" ideas, but the broader
ideas. Bitterness over the bailouts, being hounded by the I.R.S, the general shape of the health care system in America. The lack of
hope that these problems cannot or will not have a resolution.

I am in no way condoning his actions, but I think I can understand them to at least some degree. Desperate and scared. Who among us
have not felt that way at least once in our lives? We have a great place here at DU to speak out our fears, to get feedback from friends
and people that have similar fears, to find out we are not alone. I feel, and I may be wrong, he had no one to talk that out with,
no one to listen, no one to care. In his eyes at least.

When do we stop being afraid? Knowledge is a great antidote for fear. As the great cartoon character Pogo once stated, "We have met the
enemy. He is us!"

[earth mom]

165. Excellent post-totally agree.

:thumbsup:

[LynneSin]

166. White and/or Christian >> Teabagger's 2 'Get of out calling it Terrorism' free cards

:grr:

[redqueen]

167. It's domestic terrorism.

He wanted a body count to make his political views known. He encouraged others to use violence as well.

Pretty cut and dry.

[randr]

168. By labeling the mentally insane "terrorists" we give credence to their warped ideology

[Jefferson23]

169. Terrorism: the most meaningless and manipulated word

By Glenn Greenwald
(updated below)

Yesterday, Joseph Stack deliberately flew an airplane into a building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas, in order to advance the political grievances he outlined in a perfectly cogent suicide-manifesto. Stack's worldview contained elements of the tea party's anti-government anger along with substantial populist complaints generally associated with "the Left" (rage over bailouts, the suffering of America's poor, and the pilfering of the middle class by a corrupt economic elite and their government-servants). All of that was accompanied by an argument as to why violence was justified (indeed necessary) to protest those injustices:


I remember reading about the stock market crash before the "great" depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn't it ironic how far we've come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn't have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it's "business-as-usual" . . . . Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer.


Despite all that, The New York Times' Brian Stelter documents the deep reluctance of cable news chatterers and government officials to label the incident an act of "terrorism," even though -- as Dave Neiwert ably documents -- it perfectly fits, indeed is a classic illustration of, every official definition of that term. The issue isn't whether Stack's grievances are real or his responses just; it is that the act unquestionably comports with the official definition. But as NBC's Pete Williams said of the official insistence that this was not an act of Terrorism: there are "a couple of reasons to say that . . . One is he’s an American citizen." Fox News' Megan Kelley asked Catherine Herridge about these denials: "I take it that they mean terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to?," to which Herridge replied: "they mean terrorism in that capital T way."


remainder at the link.
http://www.salon.com/news/terrorism/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2010/02/19/terrorism

[montanto]

170. Um, because when we were attacked by

those who flew one, then two, then three, then four airplanes into buildings (well, including one failed attempt) it was obviously the work of a group, the work of many people who felt the same way and were willing to act on their feelings any number of times. They were willing to spare no expense: To train to fly, to recruit, to live among us, to plan not just one attack but who knows how many. This guy was one guy. A criminal. A lone nut job. A screwup like a post-office shooter of old. We are not all threatened with immanent destruction like we were on that September morning. That day I was one my way to the airport to fly to Greece. I didn't get there. I remember how I felt heading to the airport with the news on the radio. I felt as though I was walking to the gallows. Today I am not concerned about going to work for fear of a suicide flyer. It was an isolated act by a frustrated madman. Not terrorism.

[marmar]

176. Umm, the United States was not threatened with "imminent destruction" on Sept. 11

nt

[montanto]

200. k. so that makes the guy a terrorist.

I guess I was thinking of the whole flying thing. All planes grounded out of fear, remember? Immanent further attack I meant, by other terrorists flying planes--though I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about The United States being under threat of immanent destruction. But hey, if you think the dude's a terrorist and that we all ought to be afraid, have at it. I guess I'm the only one who doesn't feel like I'm in harms way from loony cessna pilots.

[provis99]

209. so the suicide bombers in Gaza, because they act alone, aren't terrorists?

:eyes: :crazy:

[earth mom]

171. How long before any of us here on DU are branded terrorists for despising the banksters

insurance companies and pharma giants?


Frankly, your OP sounds like you have let your fears of what other people think control you.

The minute people like Palin or the teabaggers control you with fear, it's over, they have won.


As FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".

And he was right.

[redqueen]

177. The minute we fly a plane into a bank?

Or in some other way commit a terrorist act?

Fucking hell.

[Raineyb]

178. I'm assuming this is a rhetorical question.

We know why he wasn't called a terrorist.

[TexasProgresive]

179. A member of the Texas Lege (R) called it terrorism.

I didn't catch his name. It was on the local morning news out of Waco KWTX.

[Peregrine Took]

182. Obama doesn't want a terrorism incident on his watch. n/t

[Politicub]

184. He is indeed the Teabag Terrorist

And should be treated as the canary in the coal mine for whole new levels of crazy the teabaggers are capable of.

[NOLALady]

185. You think they will start profiling white Christians as

possible terror suspects now?

[The Backlash Cometh]

186. He's white. It's not terror. It's just American anger.

[Goldstein1984]

188. A "terrorist" is anyone who commits "terrorism"

I don't have a lot of time to research this in more depth, but for someone to be a terrorist they would need to be a "subnational group" or a "clandestine agent." This guy just appears to be a criminal with a political motive.

From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.

Link: http://terrorism.about.com/od/whatisterroris1/ss/DefineTerrorism_5.htm

[tcaudilllg]

191. Weakness

It's a return the old days of conservative extremists getting their political bearings through organized hate, and here again we have this weakness which is allowing it to thrive. Every spewer of hate and rage needs a good investigating by the FBI... but no word yet on such a thing happening. Back in '94, when the militias were all the rage, Clinton did nothing. Hell, he let the Branch Davidians by for a year. That was the most pathetic and twisted circus ever.

[newtothegame]

192. How many thousands died? I haven't got a chance to read the story yet. n/t

[KonaKane]

223. So it's all about body count to you?

If that's the case, Hitler should be exhonerated because he didn't kill as many as Stalin did? Are you serious?

[winyanstaz]

196. K & R....I just want to know one thing....

Since he hit a building with that plane...did the building turn to dust and fall in it's own footprints or not?

And if not..why the hell not?

Isn't that the new law of physics that a plane crashing into a building will make it disintegrate into dust and fall straight down?

[BrklynLiberal]

197. You are 100% correct. The man was a terrorist...and I question the reasoning behind

denying that...

Just because he was white, non-muslim, and from Texas??????????????

[lifeliberty345]

202. Director of Homeland Security

is awesome! :woohoo:

When the Chief Investigator said, "Small Planes do not effect National Security."

She replied, "BullSh&*!"

:loveya:

[BrklynLiberal]

225. wow! A truthspeaker!!!

[Pithlet]

203. "When they get all whipped up and shit I feel fucking Terror"

This! This was the point of it. And this is why it was terrorism. And this is exactly why the media isn't calling it terrorism. It's all political. It's also why I'm really surprised that there are a number here who don't want to call it terrorism. And the number who seem to understand-even-though-they'd-never-do-such-a-thing why he did it. He was a friggin teabagger. I don't care that in his ramblings he tacked on the communist manifesto. He was an anti-tax, anti-government nut. A teabagger. He meant to send a message loud and clear. I hope he didn't succeed and we get a repeat.

[Syntheto]

204. Fuck, you fuckin' got me..

..I fucking have no fucking idea why this fucker wasn't fucking called a fucking terrorist... I mean, fuck, can you fucking believe this fucking shit?

Fuck it; I mean, what the fuck can a fucker do ?

[sam sarrha]

205. like wise Bully's in our school system are Terrorists.. they stalk you and hurt you over and over

it's terrorism.

[proudohioan]

207. You've got a point about it being a terrorist act...

and people like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin certainly share a huge amount of responsibility for igniting all of the hysteria going on in this country. And by the media even giving these fucks any shred of credibility is sure as hell fanning that fire, and they should be held to some level of accountability as well.

But I have to draw the line at throwing them in GITMO. It just sounds too much like Stalin rounding up "dissenters" and throwing them in the Gulag. Maybe a better suggestion would be to hit them where it hurts; in their pocket books. Maybe HUGE fines??? I don't know???

t.

[KonaKane]

210. "It aint terror when it's motivated by sumpin I agree with!"

You have it exactly right. And all these folks who are bending around like a contortionist to excuse Stack's terrorism are either closet racists or closet freepers (often they are one and the same).

[sohndrsmith]

211. From fbi.gov - listed under incidents/events of domestic terrorism:

I would love to know how a note that says "Where are all the trees?" found in connection with arson of a residence IS defined as domestic terrorism, but someone clearly defining his determination to violently damage, kill and maim an entire building full of federal employees in order to be part of a 'hopefully' (his sentiment) increasing "body count", seeing this as the only way to further his anti-IRS agenda.

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terrorism2002_2005.htm#page_28

APRIL 13, 2005
Arson
Sammamish, Washington
(One act of Domestic Terrorism)

In the early morning of April 13, 2005, arson occurred at a nearly completed residence under construction in Sammamish, Washington, and an intact improvised incendiary device (IID) was discovered in a second residence under construction nearby. The IID in the first residence was located in the garage, which was destroyed by the fire. The second IID—a plastic, two-liter bottle filled with fuel and using an improvised igniter—had been placed under debris in the kitchen nook. The device had been activated but did not fully ignite. In addition a bedsheet with the wording, “Where are all the trees? Burn rapist burn. ELF,” had been placed outside the second residence.

[DailyGrind51]

212. Are they admitting that Middle-Eastern terrorists are somehow justified in their actions?

[butterfly77]

213. Its all in the melanin..

it TERRORISM! Its TERROISM! He's was a DOMESTIC TERRORIST..The teabaggers stirred it up and there will be more...

[bowens43]

214. what this nutjob did

does not fit any rational definition of terrorism. The word 'terrorism' is so over used and mis-used that it has become meaningless.

[NecklyTyler]

216. Welcome to the tunnel vision mindset of the Tea Party movement

Teabaggers will win or die, there is no other option for them

[Hutzpa]

220. Simple

it's all white to be disturbed but colored people cannot be, they are suppose to be spooky
and evil. wooooooo.... woooooooo...

[NoSheep]

226. "It's aaaall-right because it's aaaall white!" (Chris Rock)

[Name removed]

227. Deleted message

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[David Zephyr]

231. K&R.

I said the same thing immediately.