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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:45 PM
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Whirlpool: Keep It Made in America



http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/evansville_wa

The Whirlpool Corp. is closing a refrigerator manufacturing plant in Evansville, Ind., putting more than 1,100 people out of work. Even worse, Whirlpool will continue to produce these refrigerators, but not in Evansville and not anywhere else in America. They are planning to manufacture them in Mexico, where weaker labor and environmental laws make them “cheaper” for Whirlpool to produce.

This is outrageous and unacceptable, especially in light of Whirlpool’s profitability and the $19 million dollars in economic recovery money Whirlpool recently received from the federal government as a part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Those are OUR economic recovery funds, not Mexico’s.

To protest Whirlpool’s decisions and demand good jobs in America, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka is heading to Evansville next Friday to rally and march with local workers and labor leaders—and you can join him without leaving your home. Just sign a petition in solidarity with the Evansville workers to be delivered to Whirlpool's management.

Click here to sign our petition to Whirlpool: Keep It Made in America: Save Our Jobs: http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/evansville_wa

Too many people have lost their jobs. Too many jobs have been sent overseas. Enough is enough. Whirlpool’s management can’t take our money, shut down our factories and lay off our workers. It’s not acceptable—and together we’re going to deliver a loud and clear message to Whirlpool: Keep It Made in America and Save Our Jobs.

Sign our petition today.

Together we will fight against corporate greed and for good jobs. Together we will rebuild the American economy, because everyone deserves a good job NOW!

In solidarity,

Working America, AFL-CIO

P.S. Please sign the petition today. Our power is in our numbers. Together we can make a difference.

http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/evansville_wa

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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:48 PM
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1. Done and done! n-t
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:48 PM
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2. Thanks for this
It's too late for my friends in Newton, Iowa who lost the chief employer in town, Maytag, to Whirlpool's corporate greed. Fuck Whirlpool, I hope they can be stopped from further sending our nation's economy down the toilet and all the spoils directed to a few dozen execs and shareholders.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:50 PM
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3. Whirlpool is global.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:23 PM
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7. Then fuck 'em and demand our 19 million dollars back.
The American taxpayer cannot afford any more job exports, and we surely cannot afford to give scumbags like Whirlpool 19 million dollars.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:30 PM
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9. You wanna kill a global American company out of spite,
be my guest.

The Chinese will buy it.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:37 PM
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11. You wanna' ship more jobs out of the country
and reward the assholes doing it with a 19 million dollar gift? Yes you do. You support this outsourcing insanity that has cost us over 10 million jobs and 6 trillion dollars in current account deficits the past 3 decades. Crap you support is killing this country.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:52 PM
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14. Well if you read the item about Whirlpool...
Whirlpool Corporation (NYSE: WHR) is a Fortune 500 company and a global manufacturer and marketer of major home appliances, with annual sales of approximately $20 billion, more than 70,000 employees, and more than 70 manufacturing and technology research centers around the world. The company markets Whirlpool, Maytag, KitchenAid, Jenn-Air, Amana, Gladiator Garage Works, Inglis, Estate, Brastemp, Bauknecht, Consul, and other major brand names to consumers in nearly every country around the world.

After acquiring the Maytag Corporation on March 31, 2006, Whirlpool Corporation became "the largest home appliance maker in the world", prior to which Electrolux was the largest home appliance maker in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_Corporation

you'll notice that it's a successful global company that started in the US, and still does manufacturing there...as well as elsewhere. How that 'harms America' I don't know.

Did you think they could stay home forever, and limit their growth?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:59 PM
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16. They're in the process of moving manufacturing out of America and have been for years.
How does shipping thousands of their manufacturing jobs out of America "harm America" you ask? Well, if you don't know the answer to that, then you're living somewhere other than America. You're living in La-La Land!
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:02 PM
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19. Inevitable in light of automation anyway.
And no, I don't live in America, nor is it a uniquely American situation. The same thing is happening all over the world.

In tough times, costs get chopped and labour costs money.

So it's either totally automate, or move. But either way, the jobs disappear.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:17 PM
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21. Job exporting to slave labor countries started when the economy was booming.
The so called "tough times" have been created in recent years because millions of Americans have seen their manufacturing, high tech, and customer support jobs shipped to slave labor countries. This has created a surplus of desperate job seekers as demand for labor declines. Real wages are falling like a rock for median income workers and below when you use real CPI numbers. Eventually, most of the great American middle class will be gone, and the goose that laid the golden egg will be dead. Then who does Whirlpool sell their crap to?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:39 PM
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26. Well then you'd have automation in the factories,
and the jobs gone regardless.

Whirlpool will sell all over the world, same as it does now.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:50 PM
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28. And Whirlpool will go broke if the giant US economy crashes.
You destroy a 16 trillion dollar economy and watch the rest of the world crash with us.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:52 PM
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30. No, the world will carry on.
While you were out...the rest of the world has been making deals without you.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:58 PM
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33. You really are that naive. You really think that losing one forth of the world's economy
will have no effect? Why are you on this forum if you hate our country so fucking much?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:09 PM
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35. I realize you are emotional,
but that won't help America.

The US isn't a power anymore, so look at it rationally and objectively and stop attacking other posters.

The world has long since realized the US is crashing, so they've made other arrangements.

You can't ORDER them to stop. You'll have to find other solutions.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:22 PM
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:26 PM
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45. I'm sorry, the world is different than you think it is.
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 09:28 PM by HeresyLives
However China will overtake the US economy in 2020...it could do so now if it called in your debt. You are being let down gently.

China and India will continue to sell to the rest of the world...there are 6 billion others in the world you know.

China already sells more to the EU than it does to the US.

The world GDP is $60.6T
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:30 PM
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48. They would not overtake our GDP is they called in our debt.
I'm beginning to think I'm debating a crazy person.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:32 PM
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49. Again, ignorance of reality.
If you spent even half the time you do attacking me, on learning about the world, you would't be making these mistakes.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:40 PM
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52. 700 billion dollars owed to China will not lower our GDP by trillions of dollars.
Where do you come up with this stuff?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:43 PM
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54. You owe far more than that.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:49 PM
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56. We owe them 758 billion dollars. (nm)
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:17 AM
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83. China can NOT "call in" our debt. Sheesh.
You suggest Elwood is ignorant and you are insinuating you are so wise in the ways of the world, yet you obviously are completely clueless when it comes to sovereign debt and US Treasury bonds.

China (or any other holder of US Government debt) can in no way, shape or form "call in" or demand early payment on the Treasury bonds they hold. This idea is often repeated on this website and others and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how bonds work.

If the Chinese government went to the Treasury and demanded early payment on any amount of US debt paper they hold, they would be laughed out of the building AND THEY KNOW IT.

You don't.

Steady up there on who you are calling ignorant.
Count yourself in that number.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:07 PM
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105. I believe your suspicions about this one are 100% justified.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:58 PM
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34. *Cough*.....The ignore function works great.
;)
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:11 PM
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37. Yes, I'm sure it does.
It just won't help the situation in America to ignore things.
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:27 AM
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92. "Did you think they could stay home forever, and limit their growth?"
Let's discuss this particular point:

At some point, it ceases to become "growth". It becomes a compulsion, an obsession, a "mental illness", if you will. It's no longer about the money; no, it goes well beyond that! It is the height of arrogance and narcissism; it's all about "The Game". All of that "Free Market" crap, limiting growth "hurts the competitiveness", "regulation stifles creativity" bullshit mantra makes me want to vomit. Mergers and "Hostile takeovers" make for a competitive environment? What a bunch of crap! It's a big fucking Monopoly game; a legalized form of bullying that eliminates any real form of competition. Look at all the smaller "Mom & Pop" businesses that Wal-mart helped eliminate. Where is the free market for the start-up entrepreneurs?

It's the precocious child; the one that's "just SO smart"; oh, those parents have to be "sensitive" to such a child's needs, any real discipline would surely stifle the child's creativity and talent. Left unchecked, the child ceases to be an amazement to anyone but the parents. The child is now an egocentric, spoiled brat, her "freedom of expression" is now ruling the house, making everyone around her miserable. It's now all about HER, and what she wants, and fuck everyone and everything else. Little Suzy is now an out of control, obnoxious teenage monster. Now it's not just her family suffering, her actions are starting to infringe on the rest of society. What do you do now?

Most of us have some kind of internal self-regulation, if you will. What happens to the individual that lacks such self-regulations? Let's take the 1000 lb man, the one who justified his indulgent over-eating to the point that he is no longer able to stand up, no longer able to even fit through a doorway. What about the Jeffery Dahmer's of this world? I'm sure he felt his own justification for his heinous acts. When our own self-regulations fail, it will either end up being our own demise (we have self-destructed) or someone else will do it for us (being sentenced to prison because our actions are detrimental to others).

Nothing on this earth can survive for very long when living at one extreme or the other. Balance is the only rational way. Where that balance lies is beyond my ability and expertise. But no society can function at a healthy or prolonged period with either too much oppression or too much little restraint. Your comparison of America to the Fall of the Roman Empire (in a different post on this thread) can also be applied to your philosophy of unlimited corporate growth.

If corporations want to be "natural persons", I say let them! As long as they are given the same life expectancy as a "natural person" (death by old age), and are forced to abide by the same exact laws (natural, as well as man-made) that the rest of us American citizens are subject to, be my guest! That would of course include arrest, imprisonment, and in extreme cases, execution.

Point of this rant is that the memes "too big to fail" and "corporate competitiveness" make me sick.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:45 PM
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111. Good post, proudohioan!
Bet you'll hear crickets on this one. ;)
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 08:36 AM
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114. Thank you for taking the time to read it.
And you're right about the crickets!

:)
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:31 PM
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71. Here we go, spit-shining Chinese shoes.
:eyes:
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:53 PM
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4. Gladly signed. n/t
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:10 PM
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5. Done....but shouldn't they have to give the money back??!!!!
"This is outrageous and unacceptable, especially in light of Whirlpool’s profitability and the $19 million dollars in economic recovery money Whirlpool recently received from the federal government as a part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Those are OUR economic recovery funds, not Mexico’s."
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:13 PM
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6. Who can afford one even if 1/2 price?
These free traders need to just roll over and die. Insanity gets rewarded here. I see no hope, it just never ceases! No jobs = no America. Idiots.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:25 PM
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8. Where are the rules about taking Fed money & leaving the country
This is crazy!

The Fed isn't an ATM machine to help a business just so they can become strong enough to move out of the country! Why should we work against our own self interests?

I want answers from the gov't. If Whirlpool is doing it, then who else? And, why would the gov't allow it?

And, while I'm at it, I would imagine Whirlpool will think it is American 'person' enough to bankroll their own politicians even after taking the jobs and tax base out of America!

It's another WTF moment!

:grr:
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:31 PM
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10. Yer a little late.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:39 PM
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12. Done
:kick:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:39 PM
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13. Thanks for all the great thread
We depend on you to bring these issues to our attention.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:53 PM
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15. We must change the laws that made it economically and legally possible for Whirlpool to do this
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 07:53 PM by kenny blankenship
Frankly, the only really shocking thing about this story is that Whirlpool still had ANY factory in the USA to close down, in view of all the incentives/pressures to move to coolie labor countries, and especially when you can find a prime example of one just a few hours drive south. Under the current legal state of warfare against American workers, which has existed since that fat assed whore chaser Clinton signed the NAFTA treaty, Whirlpool management could be SUED at this point. They are in jeopardy of being sued by their shareholders for NOT moving their factories to slave labor and/or coolie labor countries. I'm sure that will weigh on their minds a great deal more than any petition. Their lawyers have no doubt been telling them of the risk they run keeping their factories in the USA when Mexican coolie labor is so close by. Now that they have announced a move, canceling it would raise the threat of a shareholder suit to a near certainty. You're wasting your time complaining to them.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:00 PM
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17. Well then, they'll all leave.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:02 PM
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18. Well then, they won't sell anything here
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 08:03 PM by kenny blankenship
If they want to fuck themselves out of the largest consumer goods market in the world, smarter people will rise to take their place.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:06 PM
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20. Limited market anyway, so it doesn't matter.
When fridges and stoves etc were new in America ....millions could be sold.

Over time, the market dwindles because most people have those things. The 'new young couple' starting out is a small percentage, and there are always used appliances available.

However, there's a big world out there full of people who've never had such things, and nowadays they can afford them
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:20 PM
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22. You really do live in La-La land.
I think you secretly want America to crash and burn.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:21 PM
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23. Secretly?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:29 PM
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24. My bad.
What's funny is she said America was a limited market. The biggest economy in the history of the world is a "limited market".
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:37 PM
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25. A billion in China, a billion in India.
Who don't have fridges.

Yes, America is a limited market.

No I don't want America to 'crash and burn'...secretly or openly.

I want America to move on from the industrial age, cuz it's dead.

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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. The US economy dwarfs them both. Not even close.
It will be a long time before the industrial age is dead. People will need manufactured value added products for decades to come.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:51 PM
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29. I'm afraid you aren't paying attention.
In 1956 white-collar workers outnumbered blue-collar ones for the first time...it's skyrocketed since then.

And like I said, most Americans have fridges. Most Chinese and Indians do not.

China will overtake the US economy by 2020.

Romans were cocksure too.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:55 PM
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31. Most Chinese and Indians make less than $1.00 an hour.
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 08:59 PM by Elwood P Dowd
Yes, they might overtake us if people who think like you are in charge, because we will all be unemployed and living in tents.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:13 PM
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38. They have millionaires and billionaires,
and a bigger middle class than you have population.

No, you won't all be unemployed and living in tents.

But you won't be working in factories either.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:27 PM
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46. Their middle class is not even close financially to ours. Where do you come up with such shit?
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Yes, they have a prosperous middle class
And it's bigger than your entire population

I'm afraid the info is easily available...are you going by some documentary you saw in grade 5?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. Those claims by China are bogus. If it were true, they would have a GDP much higher
than 4 trillion dollars. I guess you believe everything you hear from Communist China and their propaganda machine.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Sorry, 8.7% growth in 2009
And China hasn't been communist in 20 years.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. Sorry, per capita GDP of Communist China is $6,000. USA is $40,000. End of argument.
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 07:07 PM
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109. China hasn't been Communist in 20 years?????
Wow, you'd think with internet access to sites other than government-sanctioned propaganda, you would be able to read and educate yourself.

The only conclusion I can draw is that you are a part of the problem, i.e. a member of management.

So how much do they pay you to post here?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #23
39. No shit.....that obvious? n/t
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Friends try to help friends.
But sometimes people don't realize who their friends are.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #17
62. Fine. Not with any of their U.S. assets.
A corporate charter, you understand, is GRANTED by the government.

It can be revoked.



You're really too much!

You sound like those banking CEOs who threaten to quit the industry if they can't get 15 million dollar bonuses. As if they all are going to go open up Bed & Breakfasts or become farmers if they have to get by on 5 million dollars a year.

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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:37 AM
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93. Nice shitting all over this thread with your ill-informed, above-it-all apathy
I grew up in the aftermath of people just like you abandoning manufacturing workers to the "inevitability" of globalism, and now I'm living in another region it's made its victim. All with the tacit approval of consumers like you who don't give a shit about workers and make excuses for corporations.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:56 PM
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32. K&R n/t
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:10 PM
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36. Done....and a big thank you!
Evansville is my hometown, and this is a huge issue. Whirlpool has been a major employer in this area for 50+ years. Heck, my grandfather retired from this plant back in the late 70's.

Beyond the 1,100 employees, the closing has effected a number of other local plastics operations who also depended on Whirlpool.

Local 808 has posted a huge billboard across from the plant with the words SHAME ON YOU staring them in the face.

I'm going to the rally, as my husband and extended family are very active in their respective unions. I'll report back w/pics, etc...
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:21 PM
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41. That's "free trade" at work. America's biggest export is American jobs.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:23 PM
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43. Happening everywhere to everyone.
There are no such thing as 'American jobs' anymore...or any other kind.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:54 PM
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58. Yeah, Chinese jobs get shipped to Canada all the time
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:25 PM
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44. We make components for appliances.
Whirlpool is one of our customers. This will affect more than just those workers.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:32 PM
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50. K & R nt
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:46 PM
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55. You can't fix a problem until you admit it exists.
It's just like AA that way.

Petitions won't do anything except extend the delusion.

Ciao.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:55 PM
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59. What is the problem exactly?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:57 PM
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60. She is a foreigner who hates American workers.
The proof is in her postings. Why is she still here?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:59 PM
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61. Good question. n/t
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:20 PM
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63. Might be one of those corporate trolls. You catch them sometimes on political boards
and even on some of the bigger sports boards. They will never stop defending outsourcing and union busting.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:23 PM
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66. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. n/t
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:22 PM
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64. Is it just me,
or does she remind anyone else of some really freaky "Twilight Zone" episode?

Man, that shit was just BIZARRE!



:tinfoilhat:
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:35 PM
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72. She reminds me of a a brainwashed Clem Kadiddlehopper
who found a bottle of Ripple.
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:56 PM
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73. No doubt. And now that freakazoid is on a different thread...
spouting Its' fucking robotic industrialization bullshit.

That thing is just not human; It's got to be from some other planet in some other galaxy!

Time for me to go to bed!!!!

:crazy:
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:58 PM
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74. May be a creature from the 1960's TV show "The Invaders".
Remember that one?
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:09 PM
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75. Yeah, I sure do!
Maybe that's what I was thinking of, not "The Twilight Zone".......

My sinus medicine must be kicking in, but that Political Heresy creature (or what ever it calls itself) just doesn't feel right. It literally makes my skin crawl.... probably just some piece of shit corporate energizer bunny or something.

Hopefully, the creature will get TS'd (OK, which one of us is the whack job now??? HA HA)!

:silly:
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:18 PM
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76. I can't believe "The Invader" is still here.
You have any idea why?
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:29 PM
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77. No, I don't, do you?
And on closer inspection, I got "The Invader's" screen name wrong....
MY sincerest apologies to who ever I offended!

But what does it want? Maybe it wants us to "take it to our leader"....
I feel like Its' trying to brainwash DU. Fortunately, the majority of us are too intelligent to fall for it.

And what was that shit about "there are no more industrial jobs in America, or any others" (I can't remember the exact wording that it used)???

WTF?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:50 PM
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79. The Crazy smilie definitely applies to this one.
She says the US is no longer an economic power, yet we are still producing 25% of the world's GDP with 4% of the world's population. Facts mean nothing to this one.
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:08 AM
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80. Or logic, either.
Unlike Mr. Spock, whom I think Its' trying to emulate.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:22 PM
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65. K & R
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:24 PM
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67. Done!
How dare they give away Hoosier jobs!
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:27 PM
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68. Done
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:30 PM
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69. how much are the big Whirlpool bosses getting - they don't need to lay people off or move
legislation to stop companies moving out please
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:30 PM
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70. how much are the big Whirlpool bosses getting - they don't need to lay people off or move
legislation to stop companies moving out please
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 11:29 PM
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78. The quality WILL GO DOWN... no question about it....
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 11:32 PM by lib2DaBone
The quality goes down.. cheap parts made in China... but the price we pay in the store does not go down.

Give me American quality any day.

Lazy Boy is now made in Mexico. I wrote the company.. and the reply I got was basically, "Meh"...

Lazy Boy claims that their product is only 'partially' made in Mexico.. and if I don't like it.. I don't have to buy it.


So I took their advice.. I no longer purchase Lazy Boy products.. they are over-priced anyway. I can also "not purchase" Whirpool products.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:43 AM
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81. Done! K&R n/t
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:16 AM
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82. Signed. And I agree w/ the other person in this thread. WHERE are the rules about
taking Federal $$$ then sending jobs out of the country.

SOMEDUMBBODY "forgot" to add some reasonable restrictions on corps taking federal bailout funds. WHERE are they?

If they're going to send jobs to freakin' Mexico then make them give the Federal $$$ back. It's OURS. And SO are those jobs!
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:24 AM
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84. don't worry, they'll be delivered back to the U.S. using Mexican trucks & drivers

oh wait...
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:07 AM
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85. Rec and signed.
If they won't back down, I'll add them to my "don't buy from" list.

Here's a good place to start if you are sick of our jobs leaving:

http://madeinusaforever.com/

And yes, I AM a Protectionist and damn proud of it. (Just like all of our competitors.)
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:38 AM
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86. K&R
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:43 AM
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87. Signed & K & R.
And how . . . HOW did I know by the high post count in this thread that ThomasFriedmanLives would be flapping her gums about the greatness of globalization? Just a lucky hunch, I guess :eyes:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:52 AM
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88. My son works for a Whirlpool plant in Ohio - God forbid they move them!
The town where he works in is devastated by the current conditions and if they close it would shut the whole town down. I pray Whirlpool will stay in the US!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 08:56 AM
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89. Ohio has seen this story play out time and time again. Far too often.
If the plants aren't straight up closing, cut-rate tier systems are put in place so that new workers earn 1/3 to 1/2 as much a real starting salary from a generation ago. And who pays the price? The workers and the boarded-up towns they live in.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:00 AM
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90. and least we think so, it's not just WHIRLPOOL ... take a good look at *WHO MAKES WHICH BRANDS*
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 09:18 AM by thotzRthingz
http://www.appliance411.com/purchase/make.shtml

There are only a limited number a major appliance manufacturers left in the marketplace. Over the years, the big ones have bought up the smaller ones and merged those product designs into their own product lines. They now produce products under the various brand names they own.

Often there is only cosmetic differences in the appearance of the appliance, while the underlying mechanical workings are very similar, if not the same. The manufacturers warranty may also differ between brands and models.

To aid in comparing new appliances, I have compiled a list of some of the major appliance manufacturers and the brand names they own. I have also tried to note where a product with a particular brand name varies greatly from the other brands of the same manufacturer.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:17 AM
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91. you may notice the first brand-name on that list is AMANA (now owned by Whirlpool)... (n/t)
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:46 AM
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97. Yep, last time we bought a washer and dryer, the salesman explained to us
that it's pretty much the same two or three manufacturers who make ALL the brands available. I wanted an Amana, thinking it was still made in Iowa, but nope...
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:09 AM
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94. Done!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:16 AM
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95. K&R
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:39 AM
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96. Keep the jobs here
and we'll buy Whirlpool appliances when we remodel our kitchen later this year.

Deal?
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:24 PM
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98. Almost 1400 views

And only 90 comments about jobs?

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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:02 PM
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102. Yes, and the majority ...
of them were made by some corporate robot spouting pro-globalization rhetoric. I think it turned many DUer's off.

But I did sign the petition, as well as almost every other one on the Union Website. And forwarded it on to some friends.

Thanks for posting!
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:03 PM
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103. I want to just take a moment and thank you
...For your untiring effort here to help keep DUers abreast of labor situations around the country. :patriot:
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RedRoses323 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:54 PM
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99. Done
:thumbsup:
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:59 PM
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100. I definitely don't mind signing this
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 04:06 PM by reflection
but it says "By participating in this campaign you become a member of Working America, a powerful new voice for working people. As a member, you will receive updates and information about how you can make a difference for working families."

I don't want to be on any more mailing lists and I don't see an opt-out, or a disclosure as to how they use my email address and other info.

on edit: I just ended up using a bogus email address and signed it.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 03:59 PM
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101. Done
K & R
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:06 PM
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104. done
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:14 PM
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106. They'll all be leaving. It's too expensive to manufacture things
here. Were health care costs lower for the employer, Federal and State taxes, then they might have stayed. We are in the midst of the end of the United States. And it's now too late to do anything about it. The snakes are in control and we have no leaders willing to fight them. In the old days when a company did something like this there would be hell to pay, and I don't mean angry letters to congressmen or beautiful prose on a BBS. I mean actual action. I'll never buy anything from Whirlpool again.
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Joesunionreview Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:46 PM
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108. They got you right where they want you
Feeling as though "there's nothing we can do about it"

I'm with you on not buying, but there is action to take, and we will
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:13 PM
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107. Done
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 07:11 PM
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110. signed
:patriot:
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:49 PM
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112. Dang, I'm too late to rec. Here's a kick anyway! K-N-too late to rec! nt
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:51 PM
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113. BTW..signed! nt
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 08:44 AM
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115. I guess they'll just say ...
Edited on Sat Feb-20-10 08:45 AM by Yurovsky
MADE IN north AMERICA
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