Teabaggers create Facebook tribute page for airplane crasher

[BR_Parkway]

in Austin.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=323208187216&ref=search&sid=10132698.3845767387..1

Seems like there was an outcry at the beginning of the administration about a report warning about RightWing Terrorists

[Spazito]

1. Good! Let them take credit for the rabid anti-tax nutcase...

I can see why they see him as one of 'their own'.

[BurtWorm]

2. Teabaggers are ripe to be plucked by anyone looking for some gulls to pluck.

:eyes:

[Echo In Light]

32. Certainly does appear to be fertile ground

[Beetwasher]

3. Of Course, He Will Be A Tea Bagger Hero, And They Can Have Him

n/t

[fascisthunter]

4. so glad to see them own him

[HereSince1628]

5. Yes, I figured the media would label him a leftwing blogger

I suppose it's still possible, they just need to keep repeating it and it'll be part of his epitaph.

[fascisthunter]

12. they are already trying

but this facebook page may be a problem for their efforts.

[DevonRex]

6. And there are 2 threads right now on DU that "understand" Joe Stack

and/or call him perfectly sane.

[activa8tr]

41. SURE, all people who fly planes into buildings are "sane"..

I can't imagine anyone as nuts as to proclaim those people "sane"!

[proud patriot]

7. I'm sharing the link with all my Liberal groups on facebook

[Ishoutandscream2]

8. I'm glad there are people on Facebook calling them out

for the lunatics that they are. There's still some hope for our country.

[nashville_brook]

9. it's scary that RWers would identify with his actions...

as we've been discussing his manifesto, and debating some his points wrt power, they've been busy idolizing him. sheesh.

[BR_Parkway]

11. Timothy McVeigh redux

[BR_Parkway]

10. Be nice to get this out to the M$M before anyone flips the meme around

and claims he's a liberal

[erpowers]

13. Ridiculous

That is simply ridiculous. Noone should put up a fan page for anyone who flys planes into buildings. I and many others at DU had known for years that some Republican who complain about terrorism do not hate all forms of terrorism. However, this is another example of the fact that some Repbulicans have no problem with terrorism if it hurts liberals or anyone or anything that is seen as having a liberal bent.

[BR_Parkway]

14. white skin plane crasher = rah, rah - dark skin plane crasher = terrorist, run in fear. Got it.

[Jim__]

15. Sure sounds like a teabagger.

Finally an American man took a stand against our tyrannical government that no longer follows the constitution and is turned its back on its founding fathers and the beliefs this country was founded on.

"and is turned its back on"

[medeak]

16. he bashes Bush and Catholic Church in suicide note

doesn't sound like a teabagger to me

[SemiCharmedQuark]

17. Actually, amazingly enough, right *after* Bush's term ended many teabaggers decided they didn't like

him after all. They all claim that they were against his spending policies all along.

[redqueen]

37. Yep.

I'm surprised more people haven't noticed that. Living in Texas I hear it all the time... Bush was a RINO puppet and they don't like him at all, either.

[AllentownJake]

18. Half of his rant would be normal on DU on a normal day

the other half on would be normal on FreeRepublic.

[Froward69]

20. Fully

thats the best part neither side wishes to claim him as their own yet the "activists" from freeperville are embracing him. or rather the ignorance of the tea baggers is embracing him...


I say enjoy!!!

[AllentownJake]

25. I'm thinking he had been planning this for a while

and I'm also guessing he chose his words to sell his actions to both sides.

Reprehensible, and he is a terrorist, but this guy is a lot different than McVeigh.

McVeigh tried to get away initially, this guy was content to die.

[Jennicut]

24. Exactly. Perhaps the dude was into pure anarchy and hated us all.

:shrug:

[AllentownJake]

26. I'm guessing he was highly intelligent

and studied what both sides were saying this year. I think this action was planned for a long time.

At the end of the day, he was a desperate individual who gave up, and decided to take out people who he felt were causing his desperation.

His actions are absolutely reprehensible and evil and not to be admired.

[Jennicut]

36. He gave money to Ron Paul's campaign.

He was most likely libertarian in leanings but angry at the entire "system". He was a computer software engineer. Not unintelligent at all.

[AllentownJake]

39. That I can believe

Someone was trying to link him to McCain earlier, and that made absolutely no sense for anything that was written.

[botchan]

27. He's all over the place

After reading his web-note (or at least what is claimed to be it) he is all over the place. He goes after government for bail-outs of GM and for not doing something about health care. He definitely didn't like taxes or moreover, he disliked that large businesses and religious organizations were able to avoid taxes and he could not. From his ranting it would seem that his anger has been fueled by the likes of the tea-party movement (and current talking heads which my fingers refuse to type). IMHO he is a terrorist, as is anyone that would use death, violence, or the threat of violence to force a point or gain a political advantage.

Though the argument concerning taxation is very important as I watch more and more companies move out of my area as tax breaks expire leaving those of us more than willing to support our communities through taxation with an even larger burden. But I digress...

[AllentownJake]

31. I think this was an argument between Joe and the Austin office

of the IRS, and Joe was looking for some support after his death for deciding to kill IRS agents who were enforcing the tax rules set by legislators and to martyr himself in murder/suicide.

[botchan]

33. I agree

I also hate that people (and he may have been unstable - per his writing) seem to feel that violence is their only solution.

[AllentownJake]

34. 99% of the people in this world when backed into a corner

are unstable. His actions per tax evasion may have caused him his problem, however, most people when in a bad situation whether caused by themselves or by others or by chance, rarely come up with good solutions to the problem.

[dave29]

44. This was a quarter of a mile from where I work

very weird day at the office. I took a tax class in that building when I started my own film-production business just out of college. And I live a quarter mile from it the other direction

[Spazito]

35. He only bashes the Catholic Church because the rabid anti-tax advocates...

of the 80s tried to evade paying taxes by saying they were entitled to the same 'exemptions' as churches ie the Catholic Church. His rant is not religious it is a rant because he did not succeed with the 'exemption' scam.

In doing a little research, and taking in context his screed, it seems he tried more than one 'method' to avoid paying taxes:

His reference: "Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave."

This seems to relate to this anti-tax evasion ploy:

C. Contention: Compelled compliance with the federal income tax laws is a form of servitude in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

This argument asserts that the compelled compliance with federal tax laws is a form of servitude in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

The Law: The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits slavery within the United States, as well as the imposition of involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime of which a person shall have been duly convicted. In Porth v. Brodrick, 214 F.2d 925, 926 (10 th Cir. 1954), the Court of Appeals stated that "if the requirements of the tax laws were to be classed as servitude, they would not be the kind of involuntary servitude referred to in the Thirteenth Amendment." Courts have consistently found arguments that taxation constitutes a form of involuntary servitude to be frivolous.

(All cases brought before the courts with this argument lost)


His reference: the fact he was a "contract engineer"



This argument asserts that wages, tips, and other compensation received for personal services are not income, because there is allegedly no taxable gain when a person "exchanges" labor for money. Under this theory, wages are not taxable income because people have basis in their labor equal to the fair market value of the wages they receive; thus, there is no gain to be taxed. Some take a different approach and argue that the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution did not authorize a tax on wages and salaries, but only on gain or profit.

The Law: For federal income tax purposes, "gross income" means all income from whatever source derived and includes compensation for services. I.R.C. § 61. Any income, from whatever source, is presumed to be income under section 61, unless the taxpayer can establish that it is specifically exempted or excluded. In Reese v. United States, 24 F.3d 228, 231 (Fed. Cir. 1994), the court stated, "an abiding principle of federal tax law is that, absent an enumerated exception, gross income means all income from whatever source derived."

All compensation for personal services, no matter what the form of payment, must be included in gross income. This includes salary or wages paid in cash, as well as the value of property and other economic benefits received because of services performed, or to be performed in the future. Furthermore, criminal and civil penalties have been imposed against individuals relying upon this frivolous argument.



His reference: The Catholic Church


Religious Arguments

Individuals invoke the Freedom of Religion clause of the First Amendment by taking a vow of poverty or by fraudulently claiming charitable contributions of 50% or more of their adjusted gross income.

The Truth: Taking a purported vow of poverty or claiming fraudulent contributions to filter income through a church is not legal. Many fraudulent religious organizations use funds for personal expenses.

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106498,00.html

[Froward69]

19. buried here

It strikes me as devilishly ironic that the crazies that are the tea baggers will adopt this guy. from his manifesto he comes across as more socialist or communist in his rant. Yet for attacking the IRS the tea baggers embrace him.

now for the really fun part. over at Freperville ---> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2454242/posts
they start out as He was a homegrown commie domestic terrorist fully from the left. only later realizing their very own idiots are embracing this whacko...

Now their heads are spinning as to undo the spin their own minions are spinning...

is your head spinning now?

freepers are calling for attacking the FBpage and report it and its other brother pages because they see this attack as being placed at their feet.

to me anything that freepers have to deal with whether it is from us or of their own misplaced bigotry. is their problem.
Yes his quoting Communist manifesto and hate for GWB would place him over here...
but his attack and the target of his attack places him squarely within their ranks.

[BR_Parkway]

23. It's been said before - teabaggers are upset about many of the same things

as we are - they just have had their anger co-opted and redirected against the very people who are trying to fix some of this mess for them

[Froward69]

29. oh hell yes

I must admit I am helping them with their lunacy. it is starting to appear in news blog/threads that this guy was a teabagger hero.

it appears that the leash broke and the intelligent FReepers are chasing their rabid dog through the park saying "move along nothing to see here." ...after trying to place him as a DU poster.

[sonias]

21. Assholes

You knew they would do it.

Finally an American man took a stand against our tyrannical government that no longer follows the constitution and is turned its back on its founding fathers and the beliefs this country was founded on.

The Feds should take down the names and investigate these terrorist supporters.

[WeDidIt]

22. The teabaggers are free to idolize Joe the Pilot

just like they did with Joe the Plumber.

[Vinca]

28. This is great. I was worried they'd peg him as a leftie terrorist

because he mentioned Bush and health care.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

30. Um-m-m...

...his photo collection has a pic of an American flag burning and graphic that reads, "the main difference between Europe & USA" which shows a nurse and patient smiling under "Europe" and a gravestone under "USA"

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=323208187216&ref=search&sid=10132698.3845767387..1#!/photo.php?pid=3337471&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=323208187216&id=560571192

[Froward69]

38. FB page taken down... freepers did their thing

[BR_Parkway]

42. Damn, I wish I'd gotten a screen shot

[TacoD]

40. He was clearly not a teabagger -- just nuts. But the teabaggers can have him if they want him. (nt)

[activa8tr]

43. Tea baggers are ALL nuts, he fits right in!

Sometime they will look in the mirror and see what nuts they are, and how nutty they look to the rest of the world.

[dem mba]

45. he's being called a "anti-Christian Communist"

over at FR.

but to be fair, there are comments all over the spectrum on this guy. some saying he's a leftist, many predicting he'll be tied to the tea party movement.

i guess i'm in the minority on this forum and theirs, as i'd like to wait for more information to come out before I pass judgement on his motives and political leanings.