I just found out about the crash. Was this guy a teabagger?

[MrScorpio]

Does anyone know anything?

[Cali_Democrat]

1. What crash?

[MrScorpio]

5. Some asshole crashed his light plane into a building in Austin

Apparently, it was an anti-IRS protest

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Thanks

I just read a little bit on Yahoo news. I've been stuck in a meeting the last 4 hours.

[NNN0LHI]

2. Don't know but I think the teabagger movement began in Austin

[jkirch]

44. I think it started in Seattle.

[redqueen]

3. He was mostly mad about having to pay taxes.

He threw a bunch of other crap in there, but that was the main theme.

[saracat]

35. He seemed to be complaining about the corporations and the rich .He was paying

taxes. His tax preparer apparently screwed him over.

[redqueen]

37. That's not what it says in the manifesto.

It says he joined a group that tried to get out of paying taxes, and he got caught.

[saracat]

40. I do not defend this guy's actions but that isn't true. He said he and some friends

investigated some ways of using exemptions.He wanted the same exemptions the rich use. I don't know about you but every year our tax preparer asks about exemptions. My Dad had his estate in a trust so that there would be no estate taxes. The guy apparently got caught up in those schemes or something that were supposed to teach you how to use exemptions. That doesn't make exemptions a bad thing and it also doesn't make it untrue that the rich can use more exemptions than the middle class. We have to pay taxes on the last little bit of savings we have left to live on because it isn't invested in a chancy investment scheme. If we had our money in a speculative stock and it made lots of money, that income isn't taxable! Go figure. no wonder the rich are rich. He didn't get caught not paying taxes recently. His tax preparer didn't defend him and didn't add the wifes income. He also had been penalized for his type of employment as an engineer earlier. The guy was wrong, he became a domestic terrorist by placing others in danger but he doesn't appear to be a bagger to me. His arguments about the corporations , health care, and the government are on the money. But they do not justify his action. His violence and incitement to violence is unacceptable. My thoughts are with his poor family.

[WindRiverMan]

45. You know, I kind of disagree on him being on the money

Why does everyone assume that they have a right to be rich? Honestly, the guy was divorced, still had a $250,000 home, had his own airplane (and just learning to fly is about $10.000), and he is still complaining? My divorced friend was pretty much eating hot dogs for three years until the alimony payments stopped. He whined about being poor in college....big f-ing deal. Lots of us were poor in college. I lived on potatoes and canned beans and unloaded UPS trucks at 2AM for three years. He still made it, he had the American dream, but he was a greedy Republicn shithead, and he tried to cheat, got caught, got thumped, but really, seems to me things were going fairly well. Unless you are profanely intelligent or profanely athletically gifted, I pretty much see getting rich as luck. Even very few of the very beautiful people strike it rich.

Not to say the rich do not have an advantage, but apparently this guy had never head of counting your blessings. This guy had a bad case of the poor me's.

[Oregone]

4. He was an angry nut that snapped

[ramapo]

12. I don't know that he was a nut...just really, really pissed off

He did snap though...burning down your house and flying your plane into a building does qualify as snapping.

[Arctic Dave]

32. I read that he stole the plane, is that not right?

[MrScorpio]

33. CNN said that it was his own plane

I guess that there was no stopping him

[av8rdave]

6. I just read his suicide essay

He wasn't a teabagger. He was pretty disgusted with a lot of the things we are.

[MrScorpio]

10. Cool, at least it wasn't political

At least that's one thing that we don't have to worry about, violent teabaggers

[av8rdave]

11. This story has a link to his essay:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

[Fire1]

41. I agree. He could have very easily been a member of DU. n/t

[ramapo]

7. Sounds like he was just royally pissed off

I just read his alleged suicide note. Sounds like he got screwed over a bunch of times. I thought I'd be reading some crazy rant but I just kept shaking my head in agreement.

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. From HIS POV he got screwed over - it sounded to me like he tried,

unsuccessfully, to dodge taxes by using typical tax-protester ploys and got slammed by the IRS for doing so. Repeatedly.

Gotta read between the lines.

[Crabby Appleton]

43. That's what it sounds like to me. nt

[sinkingfeeling]

27. Funny, I read it and I think he's the one that tried to 'screw over' the rest of us by refusing to

pay taxes. But, alas, he got caught and fined, so he decides to 'kill' his family and the IRS.

[saracat]

36. He didn't "kill" his family AFAIK. And some of his complaints about the government and corporations

were justified. But violence is never the answer.

[timeforpeace]

9. Might be the opposite. The communist manifesto factored heavily in his writings.

[Electric Monk]

16. link & quote?

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

The next to last line of the note. THAT is the sum total of Marxist philosophy in the note, and IT was nothing more than a set up to the punch line, which was his commentary on corporate/government collusion, which somehow overlooked his OWN greed in his refusal to pay his taxes.

[Spazito]

31. LOL!

Your posts are always very amusing!

:rofl:

[Wardoc]

38. Actually, he's not kidding (at least, according to what has been on the news shows today FWIW).

[Spazito]

39. Oh, I know he/she is not kidding...

just very ..... consistent in the content of his/her posts, that's what I find to be quite amusing.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

13. Some additional info:

Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building

A federal law enforcement official has identified the pilot in the plane crash as Joseph Stack, a software developer, and says investigators are looking at an anti-government message on the Web linked to him.

The Web site outlines problems with the IRS and says violence "is the only answer."

The IRS said in a statement that the small plane struck its Austin offices, where 190 of the agency's employees work. Officials say they are still trying to account for all the workers.

The official said authorities are looking for a motive at Stack's company Web site. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an investigation still in progress.

The Web site featured a long note dated Thursday denouncing the government and the IRS in particular. It cited the man's problems with the agency.

The long note dated today on Stack's Web site says "Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer" to his past problems with the IRS.

It also says, "I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Plane-crashes-into-Northwest-Austin-building-84704727.html

[Xipe Totec]

14. Well, his issue was taxes all the way through

And it looks like his life started going down hill when he started scheming to avoid paying taxes.

Once he got caught in the machinery, he never recovered.

It became an obsession.

So, yea, I would call him a Teabagger.

[saracat]

26. He was crazy to do what he did and violence is wrong bu tit wasn't just taxes

But he also talks about healthcare and the middle class being screwed.

[saracat]

15. I gotta say this phrase jumped out at me and its hard to disagree

"Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in."

[Xipe Totec]

18. And yet his main problem with the plunder was envy

He resented that others could get away with it and not him.

He didn't want to go after the "plunderers (that) can commit unthinkable atrocities", he just wanted to be one of them.

[redqueen]

23. I agree.

I didn't get that he was ranting against injustice... I got that he wanted more money.

[Robbie88]

29. Yes, but I am afraid that those sections in which he does appear to be railing against the

economic injustices of 21st Century America will be used by the right-wing media, and to some extent, the mainstream media, to discredit those who embrace any sort of critique of modern capitalism as "nuts" with a potential for violence...

[saracat]

25. Perhaps.but it still doesn't make the statement wrong,

And I am not sure that it was as simple as just "envy". It seems more than that. I am sorry for his death.

[Xipe Totec]

34. The statement is an incitement to violence as a solution

I think that is definitely wrong.

[northoftheborder]

20. plane crash in Austin close to me

I'm right here in Austin and have been watching this develop all day. (It's about a mile or two from my house, but didn't hear the crash, just learned about it on local TV.) The local news people read a lot of his note, but nothing about his talking about the health care system. Interesting. They just talked about his income tax problems. Seems as though he was distraught about a multitude of problems. I don't see any connection to tea-bag movement.

[robdogbucky]

22. Wow, I haven't read the Manifesto yet

but that could have been written by a lot of DUers, no?


Say, none of you have a pilot's license do you?


Just trying to be leaven the gravity with some levity, not to offend.


I will have to now go and do my homework and read this guy's manifesto.


The UnaBomber Kasinski's still locked up isn't he? Whatever happened to him? Anyone ever figure out why the FBI, et al, were so off the mark with that police sketch of him? Or how they could be so off on their estimates of those DC snipers? Keystone Cops again.



Lots of questions, so few answers.


Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky

[Fire1]

42. Hello! Same here. If that's not liberal, I don't know what is. n/t

[MineralMan]

17. Lots of people know things. There are multiple posts about the

story. Probably plenty of posts. You could read some of them and get filled in, I'd think.

[bluestateguy]

19. Sort of

He throws a few bones to the people mad at the health care system in this country, but I'd say 80% of his rants are tea party crap.

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Yup.

Teabaggers are even setting up a facebook fan page.

[Kahuna]

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