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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:06 PM
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Real health reform once again shut out...
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 07:15 PM by maryf
Why aren't single payer people invited, again!, to sit at a discussion table for Health Care Reform?? Could it possibly be because Single Payer, Improved and Expanded Medicare for All would drastically reduce the need for the FOR PROFIT Health insurance industry? I am having a really hard time believing that, once again they are being shut out. Remember the Baucus 8/13? How many watched Margaret Flowers ten days ago on Bill Moyers?

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02052010/watch3.html

Why are so many people happy that the Senate bill is being revivified? Do they want to pay fines? Do they want to wait over three years for any of it to come to fruition? Do they want to see costs continue to rise?? Do folks really want to see insurance companies continue to profit on people's health?

From my email today:

Browse > Home / Action Alerts, Healthcare-NOW! Updates / President Obama: the Answer is Medicare for All – Healthcare-NOW!
President Obama: the Answer is Medicare for All


February 17, 2010 by Healthcare-NOW!
Filed under Action Alerts, Healthcare-NOW! Updates

Talking points below.

Once again the president and congress are not including any discussion of the only real solution to America’s health care problems – expanding and improving Medicare to cover everyone in America. On February 25th, the Leadership Conference for Guaranteed Health Care will be holding a “Sidewalk Summit for Improved Medicare for All” outside the Blair House in Washington, DC before the Democrats and Republicans have their session. If you are able to be in Washington, DC meet us at 9 AM at the White House. Specific meet up details will be announced as the event gets closer.

If you can’t join us in DC, consider taking bold action for the health care we need and organize a local “Sidewalk Summit” in your area. Check out these talking points, responding to each of the goals President Obama has set for health reform in his State of the Union Address, “But if anyone…has a better approach that will bring down premiums, bring down the deficit, cover the uninsured, strengthen Medicare for seniors, and stop insurance company abuses, let me know.”
The President’s goals and our responses:

1. Expand coverage and provide more Americans health care – Improved Medicare for All will provide comprehensive medical, mental, dental, vision and prescription coverage to all people (everybody in, nobody out) living in the United States from birth to death without gaps. No system based on private insurance can make the same guarantee.

2. End insurance company abuses – Improved Medicare for All will remove the expensive and bloated private insurance bureaucracy from our health care system and effectively end their profit-driven practices of denying and restricting coverage. All people in America will enjoy the same sense of security that those with traditional Medicare currently feel in knowing that necessary care will be covered and that their coverage cannot be taken away. Medicare is accountable to the public, rather than to investors.

3. Control health care costs – Improved Medicare for All is the only solution with built-in cost controls. There will be immediate savings of $400 billion per year simply by removing the high administrative and marketing costs that come with having over 1,300 different private insurance plans. Additional savings will arise through negotiations for fair pharmaceutical prices as Walmart does now.

4. Decrease the deficit – Improved Medicare for All is the only solution which will put the brakes on our health care costs which are spiraling out of control. Further positive effects on the economy will occur as businesses are relieved of the financial burden of paying for health benefits allowing them to focus on building their business, raising wages and competing in the global market. Having less volatility in health care prices will allow businesses to hire more employees, thereby spurring job growth.

5. Stabilize Medicare – Improved Medicare for All will finally relieve the financial stress which is placed on Medicare from providing coverage for those who have the greatest health care needs – those who are disabled or who are 65 years of age and older. Everybody, healthy and ill, will contribute to the Medicare fund throughout their lives knowing that Medicare will be there for them when they need it.

We urge brief presentations a few minutes long, video taped by independent video as well as notification of the media and articles written by real health care advocates. Hold the event at an appropriate federal building or other landmark and share your videos with us to circulate. Let us know what you’re planning and we can help provide you with talking points, press lists, and help spread the word about your event. For more info, email us at info@healthcare-now.org.

This is an opportunity for us to clearly show how our solution – a national health system funded by a single payer; improved and expanded Medicare for All – is the best alternative and the only one that can meet all of the president’s goals. Hold your own summit. Video tape it and share it with others. Write about it on blogs and websites and in your local papers. Make yourself heard.

No matter what the Congress and president do, if anything, the time is now to lay the foundation for a real health care reform movement that cannot be ignored.

Please be in touch with us if you want to organize an event locally, or if you plan to join us in DC on February 25th.

www.healthcare-now.org
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:09 PM
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1. DC needs to be cleaned out.
With a few notable exceptions, neither party is any damned good.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:17 PM
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4. Sad that we have to say neither instead of not any...
this two party system is a one party misnomer! thanks!
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:12 PM
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2. Congress has punted on HCR. It is dead-in-the-water. It's back to the people now. nt
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:23 PM
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8. And the people need to shout loud, make a very loud noise...
300 million people have got to start demanding, it will trump 300 billion or trillion dollars if we demand loud enough...

HEALTH CARE for ALL NOW!!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:14 PM
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3. I have given up expecting our $enator$ and Congre$$men from doing
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 07:15 PM by Cleita
something that will work for the country as a whole. I think if we do anything we are going to have to start building cooperatives at the local level. Right now the credit unions are taking hold. We need to start doing employee owned businesses at every level until there is no need for Wall Street corporations any more. Eventually maybe people can pool their health care money into non-profit member owned health insurances until we all unite into one big member owned non-profit health plan. The thing with single payer, it doesn't have to be done by the government. If they pass something with the insurance exchanges then we need to band together to offer our own insurance in competition with them little by little until we steal all their business.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:20 PM
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5. I've given up too...
But Expanded and improved Medicare for All, really would be so simple to implement...Everybody in, nobody out...except for the profit mongers....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:22 PM
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For sure and what really pisses me off is that it's so obviously a good
fix, and that they still have the nerve to say it can't be done. It's too complicated.

A pox on them.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:27 PM
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10. A serious pox on them!! and hope they have no health care coverage!!!
:pals:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:37 PM
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14. AND... He Who Cannot Be Named On DU promised just that!
That if Congress didn't pass a complete heathcare bill by July, he would do everything he could to take away the Single Payer health care enjoyed by Congre$$critters!

:nuke:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 08:02 PM
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25. Well, promises have been broken!
we'll see...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 08:15 PM
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26. Mary, I honestly don't know what the answer is.
What I thought years ago, and what I keep coming back to, is working harder to inform the general populace.

I find that when I discuss all the facts of health care with folks, there is so much they didn't know, and so much they find of interest, and they start thinking differently.

I think that we have mostly been talking with each other, and talking OVER those who don't really know the facts, and we have missed that opportunity. I know that I thought years ago that PNHP should be doing more to preach beyond the CHOIR!

Now this issue has become so polarized that I don't even know how much is possible.

What I *DO* know from volunteering with an organization working for single payer is that, in the typical USian way, what everyone wants to do is to tell their own stories, rather than to work together. And, that is still going on.

Unless and until we can somehow get beyond the Rugged Individualism barrier, and that includes "progressives"!!, no amount of us begging people to "shout" will have much effect.

We haven't reached that tipping point yet, and that will only happen by speaking WITH those who are beyond our natural sphere.

That's all I know, and it leaves us where we began... needing to develop some really effective stratgery, and we need to do that YESTERDAY!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 08:52 PM
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27. I think the tipping point is very near...
and I'm lucky to be working with a very good, group of people who are trying to reach out to many not in the "choir", including tea partiers!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:05 PM
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32. Mary, he never had the chance to fulfill the promise. It wasn't broken.
I realize it is now fashionable to tear him down, but its not fair to pick on someone's campaign promises, when that person wasn't elected.

Now, Obama... that is another story! :nuke:

By the way..... I have written out little "cards" with Udalls # on them, and giving them out today, asking people to call and tell him to sign Bennetts letter!

Damned corporate Udall! New Mexico got the GOOD Udall!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:00 PM
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33. OOoops, I'm not sure who you were talking about...
? I had the elected one in mind!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:05 PM
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34. Yeah,,,,, but the elected one never made such a promise.

After I posted that, I figured that was your thought.

Censorship has worked really well here.... can't even talk about it out in the open. :(

Anyway, things could have been so much different. sigh....

Did we get what we deserved.....?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:21 PM
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6. knr - those who present a real challenge are ignored...
thanks.

:)

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:28 PM
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11. We have to be so LOUD they can't ignore us!!!
Scream and shout!!1
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:56 PM
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23. And we have to not accept crumbs while we serve the for profit companies
a five course meal.



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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:22 PM
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7. It amazes me that for decades we heard how capitalism keeps prices low and quality high...
Now, the health-care industry fears government involvement will keep prices low and quality high!

They want assurances that government will stay out of health care so their prices are kept high and there is no competition...no quality to speak of.

What a pack of liars and hypocrites!

Government = "will of the people"
Capitalism = "will of the stockholders"
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:25 PM
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9. Health Insurance Industry Lies, People die...
Private Health Insurance MUST go!!!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:31 PM
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12. Recommended and bookmarked to share.
Thanks, Mary! :pals:

ps... Whose kneecaps do we break? I'm in a mood... :rofl:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:39 PM
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17. OOh you are naughty!!!
lets take some of these CEO's and put them in some of our shoes, huh?? :fistbump:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:43 PM
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20. What the bloody hell?
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 07:45 PM by bobbolink
If you can't castigate me as an evil liar, an angry bitch, a traitor to the cause, then I give up on you!

Naughty? NAUGHTY? Is that the best ya got?

:rofl:

ps...the kneecap offer stands! :hi:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:55 PM
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22. hhhmmm...
do we let them have health care to cover the broken kneecaps? :D
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:36 PM
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13. k & r
They've got us fighting over the scraps again, just the way they like us.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:39 PM
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15. And worse, fighting each other.
:nuke:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:42 PM
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19. Lets demand the steaks we deserve!!
For everybody!! start barking!!
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:44 PM
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21. Woof!
I love it! :D
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:39 PM
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16. Kicked and recommended for the most efficient, logical and moral choice, Medicare for everyone.
Thanks for the thread, maryf.:thumbsup:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:40 PM
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18. my pleasure!
thanks for the support!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:58 PM
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24. Bottom line - in the next couple of weeks you can make your voice heard...
for Medicare for All or for the public option.




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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:03 PM
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28. goodnight kick...
Hope some folks rethink what we really need...Health Care for All, NOW
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:11 AM
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29. good morning kick
Single Payer Medicare for All Now!!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:15 AM
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30. There needs to be a march on Washington so huge the MSM can't ignore it.
Unfortunately, a whole lot of us are not well enough to attend because we need health care.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:36 AM
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31. The antiwar march on March 20th in DC
Will have lots on Healthcare not Warfare, Jobs not Warfare, People not profits...Its all connected, and healthcare seems to be a lynchpin. I honestly feel bad that the folks pushing for the public option here will go through shock when it makes no difference. No one will see any benefits for years from the public option, but we'd start paying for it immediately. Fighting the military budget is another way to go...
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 07:07 PM
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35. Kick
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