Violence against women is justified, says pupil study

[ccharles000]

A study of schoolchildren has found that most of those questioned thought violence towards women was acceptable if there was a reason behind it.

The majority of the pupils said it was justified if the woman had an affair, or if she was late in making the tea.

The study by a researcher from Edinburgh Napier University also suggested that girls expect to curtail ambitions once they are married.

The research involved 89 primary seven children at five Glasgow primaries.

The 11 and 12-year-olds were questioned in depth about their attitudes and aspirations towards gender roles and behaviour.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8516387.stm

[Odin2005]

1. WTF?

[joeybee12]

2. Well, of course...I think we all agree if tea is late, a punch or two is more

than justified.

Pretty scary study.

[athenasatanjesus]

21. delete

[saracat]

3. Wow. And it seems to be the same here. Fundies everywhere.

[Captain Hilts]

4. Wow. Glad we live in a post-sexist society! nt

[Scout]

5. disgustingly sad

what the hell is wrong with people, to teach their kids this bullshit?

[Mari333]

6. sigh.

[Hannah Bell]

7. ask them the same question about violence against men, i bet you'd get the

same result. it's ok if there's a good reason.

same rationale the gov't uses for its violence.

[seabeyond]

9. perception of "serving" having tea ready late is a good reason? nt

[Hannah Bell]

12. i didn't say that, did i?

plus, the kids didn't say exactly what's claimed, apparently:

She said: "The children didn't agree with violence, but gave reasons to try to justify it if the woman had done something 'wrong'.

[Glassunion]

8. More goodness from the nanny state...

K&R. Good post, shitty news.

For levity I would normally tell a joke here, but the article took care of that for me.

Shameful.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. "late making tea" = kids being smartasses.

C'mon, people. Don't go all Margaret Meade.

[enlightenment]

20. Unfortunately, that sort of attitude is

pretty prevalent. It's not just smart-assed kids - it's kids' who are drawing on what they have seen and heard in their environments as justifications for violence.

(and it's Mead, by the way . . .)

[tabatha]

11. This country is better than most.

When my parents from SA were over here some years ago, my father was surprised at all the things that women did.
And in SA itself, in the two jobs that I worked, there was the expectation that I would not last long but go off and get married. Stereotypes are very hard to undo. The English still have remnants of colonial type attitudes.

[Echo In Light]

16. True - although I suspect much of it is based on women adopting men's loathsome traits/value$

... so that it's been perceived as beneficial for the corporate structure since women are of course encouraged to assimilate to that structurally/culturally. Which is to say, perhaps women's rights wouldn't count for as much in the US if the majority were perceived as being against the consumer/corporate culture?

[Kyril Enko]

13. Goddamn Muslim Scots!

Jews and Christians would never support such a view!

:sarcasm:

[ceile]

14. That is very disturbing....

[RedCappedBandit]

15. IMO the gender of the target is irrelevent

Violence is hardly ever justified. If it is justified, it doesn't matter whether the subject is male or female.

A lot of people don't share that view of violence, though.

[dustbunnie]

17. Some of those findings are exasperating, but not surprising.

Girls know that it's their mothers who take time off work, or go for part time jobs, so they repeat what they know and see. But many mothers WANT to stay home with their children. Fathers do too, but not in the same numbers. So how can anyone blame kids for their observations.

The football thing sucks, as do the stereotypes surrounding many sports, and the sooner we get rid of them the better. This one is troubling.

The readiness to accept violence doesn't really faze me. 11 year olds are far from mature or capable of adult thought, and they're still very much entrenched in that childhood concept of 'fairness." Brother took my toy, brother gets hit. That's fair to a child. Also, at that age, they don't fully understand the strength differences between the sexes... girls and boys still fight each other, (or only recently stopped) and girls are often bigger than the boys. That changes by 13.

[nosmokes]

18. sad & maddening.

[Spike89]

19. Society changes very slowly

It's a start to tell young boys and girls that violence is wrong, but if good ol' Dad cuffs Mom for some "mistake" or Mom hurls a gravy boat at Dad on the slightest provocation, well those kids aren't going to automatically think of violence as archaic. Sadly, this is pretty much true about any and all social changes. Mom's and Dad's attitudes and behaviors are almost always bigger influences on kids than school or even society. It takes generations for enlightened behavior to move from the brain to the core, i.e., lots of people "know" what is right, but don't truly "feel" it.

[athenasatanjesus]

22. If Gangsta rap is accepted in the mainstream nowadays

This shouldn't surprise anybody.
I mean snoop dog was on the Daily show and Colbert report.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

25. Because women were living like queens before gangsta rap.

:rofl:

[lapfog_1]

23. The study should have also asked the question

"Are you spanked or otherwise hit when you don't do what you are told by your parents?"

Just a guess, but I suspect a correlation.

[SoCalDem]

24. sad, isn't it?

what century are we IN, anyway?

[Hoopla Phil]

26. For the love of Dog, you cannot give those kinds of surveys to kids.

I remember taking those tests in middle school and we had a LOT of fun answering them. I remember two questions in particular.

Q. Do you smoke?
A. Only after sex

Q. Do you have sex?
A. At least once a day before and after school.


When you give kids surveys that are anonymous they imagination goes wild. I remember talking about these surveys for the hole week. I also remember watching my teacher snickering when she was reading them.

[muriel_volestrangler]

27. They weren't anonymous surveys, they were discussions

The study, by an Edinburgh Napier University researcher, involved 89 pupils at five primary schools in Glasgow.

Three scenarios were put to the pupils, who were split into groups of four or five for the research.
...
Researcher Nancy Lombard said: "Initially, when we started discussing it, the youngsters said all violence was wrong.

"However, on further discussion, they found justification for the violence if the woman had done something 'wrong'."

http://news.scotsman.com/education/Children-39say-it39s-OK-for.6074152.jp