Where do we go to surrender?

[Cyrano]

Does anyone doubt that the Republicans are winning the propaganda wars? Their ratings are in the sewer, yet, they have managed to drag us Dems right down there with them.

Let’s face it. The Republicans have a propaganda machine we can only envy. Fox News is consistently on in virtually every doctor’s waiting room in America.

The Op Ed Pages of America’s newspapers have countless Republican whores spouting the party line daily. Liberal talk radio is nonexistent where I live – and in many other areas of the country. All that's heard is wingnut venom.

In every revolution in modern history, the powers that have always been gone after first have been the radio/TV/press outlets. Why? Because those who control the message control thought and virtually everything else.

Welcome to the land of the controlled. It doesn’t make any difference who we vote for. It doesn’t make any difference who we want to be or how we would like to live our lives.

Wake up, people. We have been taken over. The villains are not Russian, or Chinese. Our enemy is corporate America, (and if you don’t know that by now, I can only beg you to wake up before you’re dead.)

My point is that we’re losing big time. Corporate America has been growing and gaining power for a century, while the rest of us have been trying to live and enjoy life.

We may have already lost, but some of us don’t think so. However, the clock is running out. A broad majority of our local, state and federal politicians are owned by corporate America. (Who do you think pays the millions/billions to get these people elected?) Overall, we have been screwed so badly that we’re on the ropes.

But there may still be some time left to us. All it takes is for enough Americans to realize what’s been done to us, and change it in the next election or two.

To be completely honest, I hold little hope of this happening. Not enough people pay attention, or read, or are even aware of the political environment that controls their lives.

I hope I’m wrong. But in the event I’m right, let me repeat my OP question. Where do we go to surrender?

And if we do surrender, then what? Do I really need to answer that question?

[DJ13]

1. They're only winning because our party wants mostly the same things

If the Democrats truly were an alternative to the madness of phony fiscal conservatism the GOP represents the Republicans would really be a minority instead of this bullcrap bipartisanship DC seems enamored of.

But were infested with conservatives with a (D) after their name in too many key positions, so the majority of the majority party ends up with zero representation.

[mdmc]

9. $

[Canuckistanian]

2. Stay tuned to FAUX for further instructions

You WILL be advised as to your final camp location.

God Bless the USA.

[Robb]

3. As a corporate shill, I should be quite well protected.

At least I'm told I'm one every time I disagree with the idea that democracy as we know it is at death's door.

My biggest problem with this argument -- and it's made often, although you've made it exceptionally eloquently -- is the assumption of the stupidity of "everyone else."

How exactly is is that you, me, most people here, aren't fooled and yet somehow you think everyone else is?

No one ever answers when I ask this. What evidence do you have we're sailing so far above the country rubes everyone seems to think the rest of the country outside of DU must be? It's like folks saying the corporations will run their own candidates. Well, they might. Do you think the average American won't see through that? It's an absurdly elitist view of the population to assume they won't.

I've traveled all over the country and met startlingly few genuine idiots. The idiots get air time, but most people see them for what they are -- on both sides of the aisle, by the way.

I reserve my right to believe in people's common sense.

[Cyrano]

7. My guess is that most people don't pay attention to politics

How else to explain people consistently voting against their own interests.

I really don't believe that most people are stupid. However, I do believe that they are politically naive.

People care about the price of food, the price of a transportation, the price of their monthly utility bills, and what it will take to help make a better life for their children.

So, if you are one of those people who can look down from the heights of Mt Olympus to just observe the lives of the peasants below, good luck. In the meantime. the peasants below are suffering. And if you don't get it, I pity you as much as I pity them.

[Robb]

11. Oh, good. At least I have someone's pity.

Just read your own post. You say "they" aren't stupid, but you say they're politically naive and vote against their own interests -- and make it clear those things are stupid, and call them peasants. And not in a good way.

One of us is on a mountaintop, pal, but it ain't me.

My point: people worry about things other than what other people think they should all the time, and vote accordingly. That doesn't make them naive, it just means their focus isn't the same as yours.

[Cyrano]

12. My focus is the dominance of the Republican Party

And if that doesn't scare you, then it's you, who have the problem.

[DevonRex]

4. nevermind

[bridgit]

10. Thank you for your post anyway

:kick:

[DevonRex]

13. .

:hi:

[KT2000]

5. RW believes in money

and they use it. Does FAUX have deals for public televisions playing their station? Why does the basic level of DISH carry FAUX but not MSNBC - is FAUX giving them a cut rate?

[Fumesucker]

6. I don't even notice this stuff..

Got rid of my TV and radio years ago and I don't read the papers..

Honestly, my blood pressure couldn't stand it any more, it was turn the crap off or blow a blood vessel..

I'm reminded of Churchill's speech before the House of Commons, June 4, 1940 and his last paragraph:

We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old. .

[bridgit]

8. Wull, it...seems like we should be able to start right here at DU

:dunce:

[texastoast]

14. Unless we can deconsolidate the Republican-owned "liberal" media

it's not going to be easy.

Surrender? Never.