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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:31 PM
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End Timers are All Abuzz ... Benjamin Netanyahu Proclaims Ezekiel 37 Fulfilled
On Saturday, I addressed the Break Forth conference of evangelical Christians in Edmonton, Canada, following Robin Mark singing his powerful worship song about the "days of Elijah" and the "days of Ezekiel." Quoting from Netanyahu's speech, I asked, "If the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 have come true in our lifetime, isn't it remotely possible that the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39 about the coming War of Gog and Magog -- the anti-Israel alliance led by Russia and Iran -- could come true in our lifetime, as well?" Teaching the two chapters verse by verse, I asked Canadian believers to truly "get ready and be prepared" to live lives of holiness and impact for Christ in these traumatic last days, to intensify their efforts to show Israel unconditional love and unwavering support, and to consider coming alongside The Joshua Fund as we seek to bless Israel and her neighbors in real and practical ways.
http://www.raptureforums.com/forum/prophecy-end-times-chat/32037-netanyahu-says-ezekiel-37-has-come-true.html



Netanyahu: Ezekiel 37 Fulfilled in Israel
www.cbn.com

JERUSALEM, Israel - Speaking on the 65th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz in Poland last week, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu proclaimed the fulfillment of the prophet Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones.

"The Jewish people rose from ashes and destruction, from a terrible pain that can never be healed," Netanyahu said at the ceremony.

"Armed with the Jewish spirit, the justice of man, and the vision of the prophets, we sprouted new branches and grew deep roots. Dry bones became covered with flesh, a spirit filled them, and they lived and stood on their own feet, as Ezekiel prophesized:

"Then He said to me, 'Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, 'Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!' Therefore prophesy and say to them, thus says the Lord God, 'Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves and bring you into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves."
http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?p=1697591

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:32 PM
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1. Imagine no religion
ugh, i'm so tired of this shit
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:34 PM
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2. Religion? That was nationalism.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:00 PM
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3. "prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39 about the coming War of Gog and Magog"
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 10:20 PM by upi402
oh ok
my bad

arabs v. jews is a religious thing to me, sites and territories included
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:11 PM
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4. Well, that makes me agog!
Just some preliminary blathering before Israel nukes Iran.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:21 PM
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8. "Good God, it's Magog Brothers Atlantis Carpet Reclaimers..."
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:17 PM
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5. Gog and Magog
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 10:21 PM by merh
Do you think Dr. Seuss was Ezekiel in a former life?

Gog and Magog drank some nog before they wandered into the bog.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:19 PM
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7. Dr. Seuss sat on a log.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:21 PM
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9. woops, need to edit my misspelling, don't I
:blush:

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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:05 AM
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20. Grog?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:49 PM
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53. Grog dog?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:12 AM
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13. apparently he didn't get to the part where all the Jews either convert
or are put to death. someone oughta tell old benjamin.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:39 AM
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21. +1,000
The problem is that religion is the easiest on on the planet.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:18 PM
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6. "Rapture Ready"? That's some funny stuff in and of itself right there.
:rofl:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:56 PM
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10. Hey, I'm sure these guys are some profound thinkers, ya know?
Evangelical intellectuals (IQs over 86)


mark
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:48 AM
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11. More people have been killed and persecuted in the name of religion than for any other reason.
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 12:48 AM by BrklynLiberal
Are there any records of wars being started for atheism????
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:11 AM
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12. Any wars instigated by a communist country n/t
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:34 AM
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19. wrong
just because a war is started by an atheist doesn't mean it was started for atheism. Try again.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:09 PM
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22. Atheism is an intergral part of Marxism, inseparable
Therefore, any war to spread communism is to spread atheism. It's the same standard as applied to the wars of religionists. A country tries to spread its seed -- just because a war is started by a religionist, doesn't mean it was started for religion. Just because God is invoked, doesn't mean it's for God. I'd go as far as to say that NO WAS EVER was fought for religion.

You're trying to have your cake and eat it, too, with your zig-zag parsing. You're also making a distinction without a difference based on one preposition, "for".
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:35 PM
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34. Communism as practiced by the Soviets was a 20th century
phenomenon. There are centuries of religious wars that have wiped out whole peoples until and including now.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:03 PM
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39. He asked for *any* record of wars for atheism
There are lots. You really can't compare religionist and atheist countries until their was at least one of both. In fact, I would suggest that, since the first atheist country in 1917-ish, atheists have KILLED more people to further their own ends than religionists. The number of people executed under Stalin alone should take care of that.

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:31 AM
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54. The association of leftism with Atheism was a 20th century phenomenon... meaningless now.
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 12:32 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Most atheists today are socially liberal, AUTHORITARIAN CONSERVATIVE (on economic matters) Democrats. Millenials especially.

Hence the support for FISA and HCR.

Of course, many anti-authoritarians are atheists because they believe religion is a "tool of control"

which is laughable considering that SOCIETY and everything they take for granted is a tool of control.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:32 PM
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32. And in many instances...
And in many instances, wars that were actually based on nationalism, lebensraum, culture, and politics were merely justified as a religious war to better soothe people.

(I've had some wonderful readings that illustrate that politics rather than religion have caused both more wars and more deaths than any other singular cause...).
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:37 PM
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45. Absolutely. That is the real irony..Religion was merely used by the manipulators to get
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 01:37 PM by BrklynLiberal
the people passionate enough to go out and kill.....
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:35 AM
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58. Do you distinguish wars fought for capitalism and wars fought for Christianity?
:shrug:
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:40 AM
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14. The "Great Leap Forward"
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:43 AM
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15. Holy fuck - the zombie apocalypse is starting in Israel?
"Dry bones became covered with flesh, a spirit filled them, and they lived and stood on their own feet"

Sounds like a zombie uprising to me.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:13 PM
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26. *fingers crossed*
ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HERE I COME!!!

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:24 PM
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44. rofl
:rofl:
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:03 AM
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16. This is nonsense. Assuming the quote's legitimate, Netanyahu was not speaking literally.
He is not a particularly religious guy.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:09 AM
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17. I wish these pricks would hurry up and get all raptured and stuff
and leave the rest of us alone.

Jesus.
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:34 AM
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18. Do they have an orgasm when they feel the Rapture?
I've always wondered that.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:17 PM
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28. DIBS on their houses!
:rofl:



Just think of what we can do in their absence.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:01 PM
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49. I guess we finally get to see what kind of underpants the fundie girls wear.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:39 AM
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59. That dyky (sp?) chick with the big boobs
is TOTALLY checking the femme chick with the perky tits out.

I wonder if there's lesbian sex in the afterlife.

On this one topic, the Bible is silent.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:10 PM
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23. Who elected him Pope?
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:10 PM
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24. nuttyyahoo feeding into the fundy frenzy.
whakadoodle.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:11 PM
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25. Now you know why I call him "Benjamin the Yahoo"
:eyes:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:14 PM
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27. Magog is not in Russia or Iran. It's in Quebec.
Seriesly. Not far from the Vermont border, in fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog,_Quebec

Magog (pronounced /mɑˈgɔg/ in French and /ˈmeɪ.gɔg/ in English) is a small city in southeastern Quebec, Canada, about 120 km east of Montreal at the confluence of Lake Memphremagog--after which the city was named--with the Rivière aux Cerises and the Magog River. It is a major centre and industrial city in the Regional County Municipality of Memphremagog.

So a bunch of mad Quebecois, disguised as innocent-looking hockey players and circus performers, are plotting to bring about the Apocalypse? :sarcasm:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:21 PM
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29. Now it all makes sense
NuttyYahoo believes Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled, which is why he wants war with Iran, to bring on the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38 & 39.

The plot line of those scriptures? "Big Nation to the far north of Israel (read: Russia) unites with a coalition of Muslim nations (Libya, Ethiopia, and Persia are specifically mentioned) and they launch a massive invasion of Israel. When they get there, God kicks their ass without a single Israeli casualty.

The fundagelicals, such as John Fat Bastard Hagee are all for this, since they consider this to be NOT the battle of Armegeddon itself, but more like the "two minute warning" to the kickoff of the 7 year tribulation/rapture/rule of the Antichrist scenario.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:27 PM
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30. "John Fat Bastard Hagee"
:rofl:
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c brand Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:29 PM
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31. Israel begins campaign to turn every Israeli — and every Jew — into a traveling PR agent (NYTimes)
<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/world/middleeast/18israel.html>
Positive Views of Israel, Brought to You by Israelis
JERUSALEM — The Israeli government, deeply worried about the country’s declining international image, began a campaign on Wednesday to turn every Israeli — and ultimately every Jew — into a traveling public relations agent.
With a Web site backed by an advertising blitz, the Information and Diaspora Affairs Ministry began issuing Hebrew pamphlets to passengers on Israeli airlines and offering coaching courses to groups heading abroad. The message: “Are you fed up with the way we are portrayed around the world? You can change the picture.”
The information minister, Yuli Edelstein, said in a statement that a poll he had commissioned found that 91 percent of Israelis believed their country had a poor image and that the vast majority wanted to play a role in improving it.

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:40 PM
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36. The best thing Israelis could do to fix their "image" problem is to abolish the Likud party
And never let a wackjob like NuttyYahoo be Prime Minister again. Especially not when he loses the election.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:08 PM
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40. Actions, NOT PR, is what is needed to change Israel's rapidly declining...
world image but I don't forsee that happening in the near future, unfortunately.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:32 PM
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33. "Gog and Magog " changes with the times. I have no respect for biblical prophecies

They change them ever two years!
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:12 PM
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41. Me neither. I like The Silmarillion better. (n/t)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:37 PM
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35. End Timers are, by definition, all abuzz.
Every five minutes the holy apocalyptic horn begins to blow.

Only this time, for really real real. This time.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:46 PM
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37. Theological nonsense. It's clear that Gog is Google.
Sheesh, just look at at the name!

Magog isn't so clear. It could be Microsoft.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:48 PM
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38. I was thinking Microsoft too or even Mac-Jobs for MacIntosh and Steven Jobs. n/t
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 12:49 PM by Cleita
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:21 PM
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42. Oo, I like that!
I was trying to think of a way to get Apple in there instead of Microsoft. Mac-Jobs fits really well.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:23 PM
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43. Oy
:eyes:
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:44 PM
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46. The irony of all this
is that Jesus said that the faithful were not supposed to waste their time trying to figure out when the end times will come, and yet that's the fundamentalist Christian's main obsession.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:47 PM
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47. Netanyahu never misses a cynical beat when mixing ancient tongues...
With modern recollections of Holocaust and image control, (certainly not Jesus' but) the risen ashes of chosen people, "isn't it remotely possible that the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39 about the coming War of Gog and Magog -- the anti-Israel alliance led by Russia and Iran -- could come true in our lifetime, as well?" (wait..."could come true in our" oh never-mind, we're only here for the chicken salad luncheon, the financial aid, scare the be-jesus out of fundies that don't know shit from shinola and the army we can't field to fight it all), all mixed up & in with a tossed sprig of Ezekiel 37 as a garnish for color in the presentation of "a terrible pain that can never be healed" oh yeah, that ought to get them going

I do think Israeli politicians should be making such prophetic, insightful presentations like Sharon did: from the base of The Rock. And if they were less fearful The Crazies would flood the streets of Tel Aviv they'd be doing so I suppose. It has to be easier to do so from the security of a catered, rented venue full of nut-bag fundies

Either way, they need to stop lobbying the stupid/the fundies for more scribbled scripture on gun scopes. Its like having to watch someone take candy from a baby in a loop over & over again. Too many in the ME, including state-side middle easterners - including Jews - already think Americans are way too stupid, un-worthy, and chosen only for their blood & squandered treasure so others are able to observe high holidays in peace inside gated communities & high rise co-ops ask Bill Kristol, Alan Greenspan; ask Benjamin Netanyahu himself, if he is honest he'll tell you that yes it does cut both ways from time to time and so...

There are some Israelis that do not give a flying fuck for Jesus, christians, anything other than Torah, or anyone else that does not think as they do. Maybe he'll admit that all words run the risk of becoming superfluous, that the dye *is* cast and that as a result: it simply is what it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irIXIy6hNc8

I do like this though its pretty cool:

"Armed with the Jewish spirit, the justice of man, and the vision of the prophets, we sprouted new branches and grew deep roots. Dry bones became covered with flesh, a spirit filled them, and they lived and stood on their own feet, as Ezekiel prophesized:"

Cause it sounds like something out of Marvel Comics, or the *snip* of screenplay rewrite falling to the editor's floor of Kevin Bacon's - Hollow Man
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:32 PM
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52. I find it interesting that Michael Ledeen has written on this subject
Here's a post I made long ago on a similar subject that is fitting and may be of interest to some:

I find it odd that Michael Ledeen has written on this subject
Posted by Emit on Mon Jul-24-06 08:32 PM

Here's an article written by, of all people, Michael Ledeen and his wife, Barbara, discussing Christian and Jewish fundamentalists. In light of your post, thought you might be interested in it. I have read that Ledeen and his wife are/were involved in the Temple Mount movement (I cannot confirm this with a decent source). Given the neocon manifesto that 'is' Ledeen, are they true believers or stirring things up to manipulate the masses through religiosity?

Personally, I find this all very interesting, and equally frightening. I know Michael Ledeen has written extensively about Machiavelli, Nationalism and Fascism. I realize that Machiavellian philosophy advocates using religion to control the masses. What's going on here? Who's using who (whom?)?



A CASUAL OBSERVER might be excused for believing that nearly all of the recent violence in Israel has been part of the usual cycle of Arab-Israeli conflict. The observer would be wrong. Though some of the recent acts ... seem to be the work of extremist Israeli nationalists, much of the destructive intent is fueled by a mixture of nationalist politics, messianic longing, and the search for roots. In fact, some of the current extremism is a direct outgrowth of the ancient forecast of the Apocalypse... The targets of the most spectacular incidents over the past months have been Muslim authorities and the area they control in Jerusalem, but for the most part the people who planned or participated in the attacks are the violent fringe of an informal movement that stretches from the United States to the Middle East, and encompasses millions of evangelical Christians as well as some Israeli Jews. This unlikely coalition rests upon a common belief that the Final Days are upon us. For the Christians, this means that the Second Coming of Christ is imminent; for the Jews, the Messiah is about to arrive. Both believe that the crucial spot for the fulfillment of the Biblical prophecies is the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, because that is where the Temple of Solomon is to be rebuilt. According to the fundamentalist understanding of Christian prophecy, three great events are required for the Second Coming: Israel must be a Jewish nation; Jerusalem must be a Jewish city; and the Temple must be rebuilt. Today only the third condition remains to be met. Though most Jews believe that the building of the Temple will occur after the arrival of the Messiah, a growing number of deeply religious Jews believe that efforts to rebuild the Temple, and other steps for its proper functioning, should be made before the Messianic Age.

~snip~

On March 10, 1983, more than forty Jews suspected of planning to penetrate the Temple Mount were arrested in Jerusalem. ... Their legal fees--amounting to $50,000--were paid by wealthy Christian evangelicals from Texas. Less than a year later, only last January 27, Israeli security forces thwarted an assault on the Mount ... There is good reason to believe that the money for this group, the so-called Lifta Band, also came from Christian sources in America ... the suspects began to be cooperative only after an Israel officer had "scolded them for using a Bible published by a Christian group as their religious source." ... At the Temple Mount the religious passions of the Muslim, Christian, and Jewish religions intersect as at no other on earth. Not only is the Mount the site of Solomon's Temple, it is also where Abraham came to sacrifice his son Isaac; where Jesus taught, and threw the money-changers out of the Temple; from where Mohammed ascended through the seven Heavens into the presence of Allah... Except for a few years during the Crusades, the Temple Mount has been under Muslim control since the conquest of Jerusalem almost fourteen hundred years ago... Political pragmatism, however, is unlikely to withstand the messianic passions that are directed at the Temple Mount... The Israeli courts have generally denied the right of Jews to pray on the Temple Mount, but there are signs of change there, too. ... The driving force behind the Temple Mount movement, however, is the American evangelical community, some 45.5 million strong. The evangelicals met regularly with former Prime minister Menachem Begin over the years, reportedly urging him to rebuild the Temple, and they raced to Washington this spring to endorse the proposal to move the American Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, citing Biblical prophecies of the day in the near future when Jerusalem will become the capital of the world. ... The most visible link between the evangelicals and the drive to rebuild the Temple is found in the Jerusalem Temple Foundation in Los Angeles, the latest of several organizations (and the only such group in the United States) designed to put pressure on the Israeli government to limit the Waqf's control over the Temple Mount. The chairman and executive director of this ecumenical foundation are Terry Risenhoover and Douglas Krieger, two Christian evangelicals who have the means, the energy, and the network of friends necessary to catalyze a mass movement (Risenhoover is a multimillionaire, owner of a company called Alaska Land Leasing that is currently planning searches for oil in Judea and Samaria). ... ... Deloach's senior pastor at the Second Baptist Church in Houston (the switchboard operator answers calls by saying, "The amazing second"), H. Edwin Young, is likely to be the next president of the 13 million-member Southern Baptist Convention, America's largest Protestant body. Both pastors accompany groups to Israel and take them to the Temple Mount and to the Jewish yeshivahs training priests for the Temple. Deloach is candid about his objectives: "We will do whatever is right and politically expedient to make that Temple Mount free for all three religions." ...

~snip~

Some of the members of these committees, yeshivahs, and groups are simply interested in the historical or scientific aspects of the Temple Mount. But many--and their number is growing--are working for a Jewish presence on the Mount, and eventually the rebuilding of the Temple. Some of these people are highly orthodox, and firmly believe that the Messiah will soon arrive. Others are primarily Israeli nationalists, who view Muslim control of the Temple Mount as an insult to the Zionist Dream. But in the end the religious and nationalistic themes are hard to distinguish from each other, and the effect is the same: Waqf control over the Temple Mount is being challenged. ...BY FAR the most dynamic of the challengers is the Israeli section of the Jerusalem Temple Foundation, headed by Stanley Goldfoot, a South African Jew who came to Israel in the '30s and fought in the Stern Gang during the postwar period. A passionate nationalist, a highly skilled rhetorician, and a man of demonstrated activism, Goldfoot believes that the Temple Mount belongs to Israel, and to Israel alone. ... Goldfoot sees the Christians as logical allies, for he believes that "Christian fundamentalists are the real modern-day Zionists"; in Goldfoot's view, it is the christians above all who realize that "we are coming to a crucial period in earth's history, and they want to help fulfill prophecy and thus hasten the coming of the Messiah." ...It is thus not so surprising that those who planned to sabotage the Temple Mount in January carried Christian versions of the Old Testament, for the Temple Mount movement is based on a messianic vision that, at least in its first stages, is common to both Jewish and Christian religions. To be sure, there is a basic disagreement, but it is one that will only be resolved in the Final Days. As one Jewish leader put it to us last summer in Jerusalem, "They believe that once the Temple is built, Jesus will come again. We expect the Messiah to come for the first time. Let's build the Temple, and see what he looks like."

~snip~

Historically, messianic movements tend to be strongest in periods of intense internal turmoil and external threat. Both of these elements are present in contemporary Israel, and the Israelis' anxieties are largely shared by the American "Christian Zionists." All we know about the Temple Mount suggests that it will grow in interest and become a source of conflict, with international consequences that are hard to predict. Up until the arrests of the twenty-five extremists, the Israeli government either ignored the Temple Mount movement or attempted to co-opt it, but neither approach was successful. It remains to be seen whether the arrests will dampen the ardor of the zealots. With the redemption of mankind and the fulfillment of prophecy at stake, arrests are transformed into temporary setbacks, extremism becomes righteous action, and political considerations pale into such insignificance that even conservative Christians and radical Jewish nationalists can become allies.
Source Citation: Ledeen, Michael, and Barbara Ledeen. "The Temple Mount plot: what do Christian and Jewish fundamentalists have in common?." The New Republic 190 (June 18, 1984): 20(4). It is from Lexis-Nexis so I have no link.

Also of interest is that Barbara Ledeen is an aide to Rick Santorum and does seem to be involved in creating alliances:

Conservative Christians and Orthodox Jews “are just a natural alliance,” said Barbara Ledeen, an aide to Santorum at the Senate Republican Conference.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=13926



COURTING THE COMMUNITY:
Jewish defections irk Dems (Alexander Bolton, 3/30/04, The Hill)

“On the GOP side they’ve been very aggressive in courting the community,” said Nathan Diament, director of public policy at the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations. “The point person on the Senate side is Rick Santorum. Over the past two or three years they’ve been working the community and having a lot of meetings.”

Diament said Barbara Ledeen, the director of coalitions for the Senate Republican Conference, initiated the efforts.

Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.), who is Jewish, has also been active. He has traveled around the country “stumping in Jewish venues trying to convey a sense of why Republicans are more deserving of support,” said Diament.
http://www.thehill.com/news/033004/jewish.aspx


On a final note, off subject but equally as interesting, Barbara Ledeen, apparently may have been responsible for Santorum and Hoekstra's WMD in Iraq claim a short while back:


It's also worth pointing out that a couple weeks back, I was told by a Republican Hill source with direct knowledge that the person who originally brought the "non-governmental source" with the recent "WMD in Iraq" claims to Hoekstra's attention was Barbara Ledeen, the director of coalitions at the National Republican Senatorial committee, headed by Sen. Santorum; calls to Santorum's office inquiring about that were not returned. (The strange thing is, when I spoke to Gaubatz after learning this, he said he had written Hoekstra independently, and first spoken to him by telephone on a conference call that was held in Weldon's office. He couldn't recall Barbara Ledeen at all. Which perhaps bolsters evidence that there's another source on the claims in the mix. Perhaps this fellow, former FBI translator William Tierney, who handed off some tapes to Hoekstra?) I suspect the trail to this whole saga runs through the people behind the "Intelligence Summit" chaired by John Loftus earlier this year, in which Loftus presented Gaubatz's and Tierney's claims as a major find. Several US government-connected people reportedly dropped out of the conference at the last minute, reportedly under the orders of DNI Negroponte, with whom Hoekstra seems to have a continuing gripe. Previous incarnations of the Intel summit have included Barbara Ledeen's husband on the advisory board...
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/2006_07.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1716530#1718718
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:51 PM
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48. Mighty Hercules will defend us from these pagan gods!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:12 PM
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50. Whoopee We're all gonna die!
I've been waiting for this my whole life.:crazy: O8)
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:36 PM
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51. Only a few years since the multi-million selling 'Left Behind' said Magog had to be Ethopia
See http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2003/10/lb_the_literal_.html

And as Slacktivist points out, Ezekiel 23:20 is a far better verse. :evilgrin:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:47 AM
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55. Let's see
When I put this thread together with this thread and the knowledge that Clinton pals around with The Family Folks, things start to look ugly.

Really, really ugly.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:00 AM
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56. !
There certainly is a strong lobby against Iran ~ let's hope saner minds prevail.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:05 AM
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60. If the fundies have their way: "I do think that the Psalm 83 war could take place in 2010."
~snip~

While many biblical scholars speculate about the next two chapters of Ezekiel, as well as the war of Gog and Magog, Jan Markell, founder and director of Olive Tree Ministries, believes some other prophecies are likely to precede that cataclysmic end-times event.

"Frankly I believe 2010 is going to see some of the predicted wars that have not yet happened," she comments. "I do think that the Psalm 83 war could take place in 2010."

That passage references the destruction of Israel's enemies who desire to cut Israel off from being a nation, and a passage in Isaiah talks about the destruction of Damascus.

"Isaiah 17 says there is coming a time when Damascus will be leveled, and that probably could be sooner rather than later, in that Syria is stirring up so much trouble -- and we really think that 2010, certainly by 2011, there's going to be a major spark flying," Markell predicts.

~snip~
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=902776

These comments by Jan Markell juxtaposed against the photo of her smiling is just creepy, imho.
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:08 AM
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57. Oh my Gog and Magog!
This guy isn't allowed in Canada, is he? What a freak show! The Royal Mounties need to wrestle him into a straight jacket.

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