If pot is legal you don't need alcohol,...

[Kazak]

if pot is legal you don't need cigarettes, if pot is legal you don't need pharmaceutical drugs, if pot is legal you don' t need corn (for fuel purposes...). Noticing a trend?

[timeforpeace]

1. No one ever gave up cigs or booze just because they had pot.

[Kazak]

5. The impact to all of those industries (with lobyists)...

would be huge.

[Walk away]

I would.....ok I don't smoke anymore but no more drinks??? Sure! n/t

[Alexander]

53. Wrong.

I personally know someone who did.

[Time for change]

54. Then why does the alcohol industry lobby against it?

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

64. really? NO ONE? EVER? Are you sure about that one, Bunky?

You sure like making blanket statements....clueless much?

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

67. just to clarify a bit....

YOU ARE WRONG. I am a living example of this concept.

http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/6/1/35

Cannabis as a substitute for alcohol and other drugs

Amanda Reiman

School of Social Welfare, University of California, Berkeley, 120 Haviland Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA

Harm Reduction Journal 2009, 6:35

Abstract
Background

Substitution can be operationalized as the conscious choice to use one drug (legal or illicit) instead of, or in conjunction with, another due to issues such as: perceived safety; level of addiction potential; effectiveness in relieving symptoms; access and level of acceptance. This practice of substitution has been observed among individuals using cannabis for medical purposes. This study examined drug and alcohol use, and the occurrence of substitution among medical cannabis patients.
Methods

Anonymous survey data were collected at the Berkeley Patient's Group (BPG), a medical cannabis dispensary in Berkeley, CA. (N = 350) The sample was 68% male, 54% single, 66% White, mean age was 39; 74% have health insurance (including MediCal), 41% work full time, 81% have completed at least some college, 55% make less than $40,000 a year. Seventy one percent report having a chronic medical condition, 52% use cannabis for a pain related condition, 75% use cannabis for a mental health issue.
Results

Fifty three percent of the sample currently drinks alcohol, 2.6 was the average number of drinking days per week, 2.9 was the average number of drinks on a drinking occasion. One quarter currently uses tobacco, 9.5 is the average number of cigarettes smoked daily. Eleven percent have used a non-prescribed, non OTC drug in the past 30 days with cocaine, MDMA and Vicodin reported most frequently. Twenty five percent reported growing up in an abusive or addictive household. Sixteen percent reported previous alcohol and/or drug treatment, and 2% are currently in a 12-step or other recovery program. Forty percent have used cannabis as a substitute for alcohol, 26% as a substitute for illicit drugs and 66% as a substitute for prescription drugs. The most common reasons given for substituting were: less adverse side effects (65%), better symptom management (57%), and less withdrawal potential (34%) with cannabis.

Conclusion

The substitution of one psychoactive substance for another with the goal of reducing negative outcomes can be included within the framework of harm reduction. Medical cannabis patients have been engaging in substitution by using cannabis as an alternative to alcohol, prescription and illicit drugs.

[Solomon]

65. Au contraire. I won't say why I know, but there are some people who

give up cigs or booze because they have pot.

[PeaceNikki]

2. Hemp is not pot.

Just so we're clear.

[blogslut]

8. This is the correct response

:)

[Canuckistanian]

20. Unfortunately, there is no difference in law

Both are outlawed under the mistaken belief that they're the same thing.

[jaysunb]

3. This was figured out 75 years ago

how do you think it became "illegal?"

[JuniperLea]

14. THIS is the correct response... eom

[Walk away]

4. That may be true....but if pot is legal we do need BROWNIE PUDDING!

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I tried to post a photo of brownie pudding but it code is like pot....still illegal.

[KittyWampus]

6. what? When I smoked pot I needed cigarettes and coffee. It was a wonderful triumvirate of

consumption.

[Incitatus]

7. um, I'm still going to need my whiskey and cigs.

[quinnox]

9. Ban it all

Cigarettes are going the way of the dodo, next on the agenda should be alcohol. People can't control themselves obviously so screw it, ban it and be done with it.

[walldude]

22. Riiiight... so the occasional person is an asshole so we should ban everything

So who gets to decide what to ban? I say cars are much more dangerous than pot. Ban them. So are guns. Ban them. Some people think reading is a danger, maybe we should ban books. Coffee? Thats for losers who can't stay awake, ban it. PEople get hooked on legal meds all the time we should ban them too. TV is bad for ya, so is spending too much time on the computer, Ban them. Politicians are mostly bad, ban them. Money fucks up everything ban it. It's a great plan really. Ban anything you think is bad. :eyes:

[misanthrope]

27. Nobody is banning tobacco...

...What is being controlled is the pollution of limited air supplies in enclosed spaces.

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[Incitatus]

40. uh oh, The Taliban is hacking DU accounts.

[namahage]

46. That would certainly be a noble experiment, to be sure. n/t

[WVRICK13]

56. I Get Your Sarcasm

I hope.

[leeroysphitz]

57. Good idea. What could go wrong?

[snooper2]

69. These vices help with population control

:evilgrin:

[CTyankee]

70. Well, I won't be able to wash down my favorite Italian, French or Spanish foods

with pot. What you are saying demonstrates our American way of looking at alcohol: you have to either be a teetotaler or an out and out drunk. I daresay if you observed the way these Europeans treat alcohol you would have a very different viewpoint. And if you were to suggest to them your recommendation they would probably look at you funny and then laugh...

[Gman2]

10. I doesnt stop those companions, but it does end the run up the ladder.

When there is bud available, you dont need crank, peyote, heroin, antidepressants, shrooms, cain, anti-anxiety, etc. It stops other drugs DEAD.

[HuckleB]

26. Antidepressants?

Say what?

[Codeine]

43. Anti-anxiety meds saved my life.

This guy figures a fucking joint was all I needed.

[wildbilln864]

51. nope you're probably a special case.

everyone's different. :shrug:

[Codeine]

42. Plenty of weed locally, as easily obtained as any other drug,

and yet I still see speedfreaks and junkies and pill-poppers.

[TheWraith]

11. Please save us the "pot as miracle plant" schtick.

Yes, it has some very useful properties, particularly medicinal. But it's not the answer to all pharmaceutical needs, and it's not the most efficient crop for biofuels.

[Therellas]

33. b. s.

it does ALL those things
even without the proper help
being forced to grow in basements and closets anyway.
fyi:if you don't harvest cannabis the plant decays and provides ITSELF the nutrients it needs to propagate itself the following year.
that's pretty efficient imo .

[Iggo]

12. But I DO need Cheez-itz.

Lots and lots of Cheez-itz.

[johnnypneumatic]

32. cannabis is the gateway drug to cheez-itz

cannabis is the gateway drug to cheez-itz
cheez-itz leads to beer
beer leads to cigs
cigs lead to fear
fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to the Dark Side.

when 900 years old you are,
a stoner alchoholic nicotine addict you will be

[devilgrrl]

13. If pot were legal, you wouldn't have the means to start stupid OP's

:smoke:

[Fumesucker]

15. Speak for yourself..

:evilgrin:

[devilgrrl]

28. ...

:P

[niyad]

16. still need alcohol, since I don't smoke pot

[LostInAnomie]

17. Pot heals the sick and raises the dead!!!!

Why would you not need alcohol? Pot smells like shit. Why would I want to smell like shit for a high that I don't prefer to drinking?

[Canuckistanian]

21. It's the most wonderful fragrance for some

I have powerful memories of past good times when I smell marijuana smoke. And probably anticipation of more good times ahead.

[Dr. Strange]

34. It's also a floor wax and a dessert topping.

It might even be capable of dividing by zero.

[The_Commonist]

18. While I certainly enjoy smoking a fatty...

...it would have been no substitute for the nice bottle of Pinot Noir that sweetie and I enjoyed with our Valentine's dinner. I also like to mix my pot with some tobacco in those fatties that I enjoy. I've never smoked a fatty to get rid of a headache when I'm at work, though Tylenol usually does the trick. And I wouldn't, even if it were legal.

Noticing a trend?

[d_r]

19. I must have been doing something wrong.

I don't think I've smoked pot without smoking a cig., and it always made me want beer.

[Loge23]

23. A tasty joint, a delicious wine.

Makes for a nice combo, IMO.
Bigger the better for the wine with herb - I suggest a Napa Cabby, Merlot, or Zin.
Or, if you prefer, a Rhone is always fun, Grenache & Syrah go well with a fresh one!
Enjoy, brother!

[walldude]

24. The only "trend" I see when it comes to pot and alcohol is too many people

sticking their fucking noses in where they don't belong. What I do in the privacy of my own home, as long as it's not hurting anyone, is none of anyone's fucking business.

[krabigirl]

29. +500

[HuckleB]

25. Since when does pot taste like a fine malbec or tempranillo?

And I haven't even mentioned bourbon, scotch and tequila.

[Therellas]

37. I would dare say there are more flavors and variations in cannabis.

google that sh#t .
its amazing how many different species and phenotypes there are.
amazing.

[HuckleB]

45. Varieties are nice.

But I'd have a hard time seeing how cannabis comes anywhere near the variety of wine itself, much less the rest of the world of alcohol.

[Therellas]

47. hmm...you could be right.

but there really is so many its amazing.
check this list out.
http://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/77848-massive-list-genetics.html
its an old one too.

[lukasahero]

68. Thank you

When people compare pot to alcohol, they seem to be doing so from the perspective only of the pot user. People smoke pot to get stoned. People drink alcohol for numerous reasons.

[MineralMan]

30. That's pretty silly. No cigarettes, no medicine, no booze, no

corn? I don't think you're thinking this through clearly. Perhaps if you put down the bong...

[Therellas]

39. hes saying you wouldn't need the others as much.

your silly.

[MineralMan]

66. My silly what?

[superduperfarleft]

35. I would probably eschew pot for alcohol and cigarettes.

Pot makes me paranoid. Alcohol, on the other hand, is the most wonderful substance known to man, only slightly beating out cigarettes.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. I think pot should be legal, regulated, and taxed. As should alcohol. I did tons of both in spades

when I was younger, now I do neither. Haven't for years.

Consenting adults should be able to do as they damn well please with their own bodies, as long as they're not harming or endangering others. That includes pot. That includes alcohol. That even includes cigarettes, which killed someone very close to me and I find incredibly vile, harmful, and useless.

But please... spare me the idea that somehow pot will cause people to stop drinking. A lot people -I used to be one of 'em- find a great deal of enjoyment in the synergistic effect of both, at the same time.

[Codeine]

38. How does pot replace cigarettes and booze?

Cigarette junkis are addicted to nicotine, not smoke. Is there any significant amount of nicotine in weed?

Alcoholics aren't addicted to intoxication, they're addicted to alcohol. Weed won't replace that either.

And what about people who just plain cannot stand pot but enjoy the taste of beer or wine? :shrug:

[Quantess]

41. Not everyone enjoys marijuana. I hate it. It makes me paranoid, confused, and depressed.

[jdp349]

44. Weed get's boring after a while

No opposition to it, I just got tired/bored of the feeling.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. Alcohol sucks

And those who drink it are a drag and a half to be around. Look at DC, cocktail swilling Republicans, bloated, aged beyond years. I'll pass, thanks.

[HuckleB]

55. I'm more than happy to support what should be your right to marijuana.

But equating those who enjoy alcohol to Repugs seems a bit bizarre.

[naaman fletcher]

49. Why not mix them all? nt

[Therellas]

50. there is a saying in india about some herbs i heard.

too much makes a good child better and bad child worse.
O8) :evilfrown:

[eShirl]

52. step away from the bong...

[jos34b]

58. If pot is legal, what would the neo-cons use as a tool to generate social fear?

And don't forget the fundamentalist Christians too!

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[howard112211]

59. Yes, because pot certainly can replace ALL pharmaceutical drugs.

:crazy:

I don't get the people who elevate pot smoking to some kind of religion. Yes, it should be legalized. And no: The societal impact of the legalization will not be massive.

[asdjrocky]

60. Not all here love the gods herb as much as I do.

And I have to say I love your thinking, but we can't do everything with pot, just most things.

We could, for example, easily solve the fuel shortage with the use of hemp.

[Orsino]

61. Yep...just like legal alcohol means that no one needs pot. n/t

[Fumesucker]

62. My experience is that people who really like alcohol don't care for pot as much..

And those who really like pot tend to not like alcohol so much.

Of course there are those who like both a great deal but they are a minority in my experience.

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

63. I think you are a bit confused

but I have a medicine that will help. Eat this cookie and call me in the morning.

The only trend I notice is your reduction to absurdity. Carry on, brave internet warrior.