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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:38 PM
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The Public Option LIVES!!!!
For months now, D.C. insiders and T.V. blowhards have said the public option is dead, but Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado just proved them wrong.

Leading the way as a Healthcare Hero, Senator Bennet is circulating a letter calling on Majority Leader Harry Reid to use reconciliation to pass healthcare reform with the choice of a public option and Senators Sherrod Brown (OH), Kirsten Gillibrand (NY), and Jeff Merkley (OR) have already stood up to join him.

Together these four Senators are showing Democrats in Washington the way forward on healthcare reform. Call Senator Brown right now and thank him for standing up for Ohio, the public option, and you.

Senator Sherrod Brown

DC: (202) 224-2315
Cleveland: (216) 522-7272
Columbus: (614) 469-2083

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:39 PM
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1. K&R
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:27 AM
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63. http://senate.gov/ FIND YOUR SENATORS.... SEND THIS NOTE.... 5 MINUTES OF YOUR DAY!!!!
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:01 PM
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64. Done
But my senator, Claire, is traveling and the office people don't know if she's going to join.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:40 PM
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2. That's my Senator!!!

:loveya:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:46 PM
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12. I LIke I like and Gillibrand is mine....called them all
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:56 PM
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30. Bennet Must have heard me/us bitching
I Got Called to help with his Campaign, I told em I was a Romanoff fan because of Bennets vote on the first Bankruptcy bill {Cramdown) and how Appalled I was Bennet still used the term "cramdown".

Basically I said that unless Bennet steps up and does something spectacular he could count me out.

Just Yesterday Bennets campain called and invited me to the rally with President Obama. I said sure I would like to see Obama but Bennet still needed to step up... they passed me along until I was talking to someone who Obviously had some pull.
then told me to pick up my ticket at will call.

TODAY i read that Bennet is stepping UP...

Time for a reevaluation, ME thinks...
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:32 PM
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31. I doubt he we be stepping up if Romanoff wasn't surging
with 2 big union endorsements last week.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:24 PM
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71. I hate to say it
You might be right... Yet Just last night In their debate, Romanoff said we should simply scrap the current HCB and start anew... that turns me yet again. And again has me pulling for Bennet
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:40 PM
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3. the Public Option should be passed soon
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:40 PM
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4. Obama is fundraising for Bennet Thursday
Hmmm...
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:41 PM
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7. I hope they talk some HCR. nt
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:54 PM
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34. Bennet is a fucking carpetbagger
There's a primary for this race, and Obama has no right to be campaigning for either of them.

He needs to stay the fuck out of Colorado politics.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:40 PM
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5. Rec
Great news
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:41 PM
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6. Go Sherrod! nt
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:41 PM
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8. YAY
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:43 PM
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9. Awesome!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:45 PM
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10. Anyone calling their Senators?
Here's a script you can use. You'll need to look up any phone numbers.

Before you call:
The most important thing to remember when calling an elected official's office is to remain polite and keep your call short. Be sure to emphasize that you are a constituent and that it is important to you that Senate Democrats pass the public option via 'budget reconciliation.' Ask that the Senator sign on to the Bennet letter today. Your goal is to get a live person on the phone to give you a direct answer.

Please make sure you report your call.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND ASK FOR THEIR POSITION:
Hi, my name is and I live in .

This week, Senator Michael Bennet announced a letter to Senator Harry Reid, asking him to pass the public option through reconciliation, which needs only 51 votes in the Senate. Over 100 House Democrats and 300,000 Americans have signed on in support of this strategy.

I'm calling to ask Senator to co-sign Senator Bennet's letter asking Harry Reid to pass the public option through reconciliation. Will Senator do it today? (please use those exact words)

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:45 PM
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11. Sherrod Brown is one hell of a good guy!
The other two are right up there too!

All Right!

:woohoo:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:46 PM
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13. this is like a roller coaster ride knr
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:10 PM
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20. the ride is provided by the MSM and disgruntled so called progressives.
I've not been keeping up with every word but no where did I ever hear from Obama that the public option is OUT. not once.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:48 PM
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26. I am a progressive and I demand a public option.
anything but a public option or Medicare for all is just an insurance giveaway.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:17 PM
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38. I did hear him deny that he ever campaigned on a public option, though
and it seemed as if the message was that he was not that worried about having it.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:59 PM
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44. Maybe he didn't come right out and say it is OUT, but his inaction, his failure to advocate
strongly for it, his even saying that it wasn't necessary for good healthcare reform, have been a HUGE NEGATIVE in the effort to get a strong public option.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:46 PM
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14. This should also help to ensure Kirsten wins against
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 02:47 PM by TheBigotBasher
her Corporate Carpet bagging hack of a Primary opponent, oh wait what is his name, damn whatever it was she has just made him a forgettable advert for helicopter landing spots in New York.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:46 PM
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15. Wow, Kirsten Gillibrand is really turning out to be a pleasant surprise! nt
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:30 PM
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68. Yes! I love her.
:)
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:48 PM
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16. K&R
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:49 PM
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17. I wonder how Bye Bayh will vote on this?
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:07 PM
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41. He WILL vote against.
Betcha!
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:08 PM
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42. Of course it first has to get to a vote and that's a LOL!
Believe it when I see it.

Will do all I can though to get it there.
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belpejic Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:07 PM
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18. I didn't think Bennet had it in him.
Good for him and the others. It's always nice to get a pleasant surprise.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:09 PM
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19. Bennet was not a random appointment
...Keep your eye on him. I expect even more moves like this. :)
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:41 PM
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22. Amazing what a primary challenge can do
Andrew Romanoff is the better choice for Progressives.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:08 PM
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24. When did Romanoff state his intentions?
...Because I've seen Bennet talk PO on CSPAN for a while now. :shrug:
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:32 PM
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25. Last spring and summer Bennett was pretty non-commital about the public option
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 04:32 PM by liskddksil
"Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., said he was open to all options that lowered costs and expanded accessibility and would support either a public option or co-ops if they did those things."

http://coloradopols.com/diary/9735/udall-holds-firm-for-public-option-bennet-amenable-but-less-specific

In fact he didn't come out for the public option strongly until September, after it appeared to be much less likely.

Andrew Romanoff, however, has clearly said regarding the Senate Bill, "So in my view we ought to take the pork out, put the public option back in, remove the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies and do those things before you actually — before you sell your vote."

http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/139085
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:00 PM
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27. Apples and oranges.
You show me what Bennet said in June and what Romanoff said a week ago?

I just spent a few seconds looking it up. Romanoff announced in September, two weeks after Bennet reiterated his support for PO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3hnCY86alE&feature=player_embedded
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:20 PM
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21. But will Rahm support it?
This won't go anywhere if Rahm continues to give the Blue Dogs cover for their obstructionism.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:56 AM
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55. Of course not, and
Harry Reid is giving no encouragement to PO supporters.

I'm proud of these senators for standing up, but I have little hope it will come about.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:55 PM
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23. Recommended. Kudos to these four Senators.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:07 PM
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28. God Bless Sherrod Brown, during this past year, he has been one of my very
favorite Senators when it comes to watching these committee hearings.

There are a lot of unsung heroes in this fight. I applaud them all.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:13 PM
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29. Recommend
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:40 PM
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32. misleading title. i'll believe it when i see it (live).
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:50 PM
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33. hard not to see this as a cynical ploy by Bennett
to get his name in the news, especially since his primary opponent, Romanoff, is the one getting all the endorsements.

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likesmountains 52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:54 PM
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35. I believe he has been a supporter for quite a while actually.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:04 PM
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36. So this is what life support looks like
When applied to politics.

Don't despair.

People do come back from the brink.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:04 PM
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37. No private health insurance option!
Last night Kip Sullivan md explained why the public option is not a good option, Improved and Expanded Medicare for All, hr 676!! Gillibrand is my senator and was my congresswoman, she will get a call for me, but not for public option, please read!! this man knows more than just about anyone:


Browse > Home / Healthcare-NOW! Updates / Notes from “Medicare for All: Still the One” – Healthcare-NOW!
Notes from “Medicare for All: Still the One”

February 16, 2010 by Healthcare-NOW!
Filed under Healthcare-NOW! Updates



If you missed last night’s national conference call, “Medicare for All: Still the One,” you can listen to it here. Also, please find a transcript of Kip Sullivan’s remarks below.

We had about 250 people on this call, and we’d like to thank all of you for participating, and donating. This call’s success means that we can keep organizing national conference calls in the future. Thank you for your support!

If you missed the call, listen to it here:

Or download an MP3 file of the call here.

Kip Sullivan’s remarks from the call.

INTRODUCTION
It’s easy enough to explain why the “public option” was defeated. It’s a lot harder to explain why it rose to prominence in the first place. Even in the watered down form in which it was adopted by Democrats, the PO was probably no more politically feasible than single-payer was, but it was a lot harder to explain. And the watered down form wouldn’t work, and it probably wouldn’t even have survived.

The PO was so tiny when Democrats introduced it in June 2009 that it is fair to say it was moribund upon arrival if not dead on arrival. It was placed on life support when Sen. Reid struck it from the Senate bill in November, and it was finally put out of its misery by the election of Scott Brown in MA in January of this year.

The PO wasn’t politically feasible in 2009 for the obvious reason that it was opposed by the same people who would have opposed a single-payer system. Perhaps as importantly, the PO wasn’t politically feasible because the people who promoted it weren’t serious enough about it to make it a condition of their support for the Democrats’ bill.

So it’s pretty easy to explain why the PO fell. What’s not so easy to explain is why a lot of smart people thought the PO was such a good idea to begin with and why, if they thought it was such a good idea, they didn’t make it their bottom line. When the campaign for the PO began in 2005, it wasn’t at all clear that the leaders of the campaign intended to throw the PO overboard if that’s what it took to get Congress to pass an insurance industry bailout (by which I mean the individual mandate and the subsidies to make the mandate affordable). But by June 2009, it was clear the leaders of the PO campaign had NO intention of making a big, powerful PO a condition that Democrats had to meet. And by Xmas Eve 2009, it was clear the PO campaign had no intention of even making a TINY, ineffective PO a precondition for its support.

It appears, in short, that the leaders of the PO campaign saw an insurance industry bailout as more important than the PO. Many leaders of the PO campaign may even have seen the PO as merely a fig leaf to induce progressives (both inside and outside of Congress) to think it was ok to support a bailout.

The modern version of the PO was brought to us by Jacob Hacker. And it was promoted by Health Care for America Now and the Herndon Alliance. The Herndon Alliance has received much less publicity than HCAN, but it played a seminal role in the development of the PO campaign. So, to understand why the proponents of the PO supported it, but not enough to make it a non-negotiable demand, it helps to review the thinking of Hacker and of the founders of HCAN and the Herndon Alliance.

I doubt I’ll have enough time to describe both Hacker’s thinking and that of the Herndon Alliance and HCAN leaders. I think what I’ll do is describe Hacker’s original version of the PO, his rationale for it, what happened to the PO after it arrived in Congress in 2009, and how Hacker accommodated himself to the degradation of the PO. And then, if I have any time left over, I’ll talk briefly about the Herndon Alliance and HCAN. If I don’t have time to talk about HCAN and the Herndon Alliance, that’s ok. Their thinking pretty much mirrored Hacker’s. Like Hacker, they saw single-payer as politically infeasible; they started out supporting a big PO as a more politically feasible substitute for single-payer; and they didn’t object when congressional Democrats unveiled a microscopic form of the PO in June.

THE ORIGINAL HACKER PROPOSAL
Hacker first proposed what he called Medicare-Plus in a paper he wrote in 2001. He published another version of his idea in 2007. In that second paper, he called his idea Health Care for America. The label “public option” didn’t appear till early 2009.

Hacker’s idea, basically, was to have the federal government create a health insurance company that would sell health insurance to the nonelderly. Hacker assumed this company would enjoy all the efficiencies of Medicare and would therefore be able to undersell the insurance industry. Hacker never used the word “company” or “business” to describe the federal program he had in mind. Instead, he repeatedly described his proposed public entity as a program that would be “like Medicare.” Hacker’s refusal to use appropriate terminology contributed greatly to the confusion that became rampant among PO advocates by 2009.

There is, of course, a huge difference between what Hacker was proposing and Medicare. Medicare is a single-payer program – it’s the only insurer of basic medical services for Americans over 65 and the disabled. Because it is a single-payer insuring such a large population, and moreover a population with above-average medical needs, Medicare enjoys advantages that the insurance industry will never enjoy, including huge size, low overhead, and an ability to induce docs and hospitals to accept below-industry reimbursement rates.

The public company Hacker was proposing would have to compete with 1,500 other insurance companies within the multiple-payer jungle. The public company he was proposing would NOT be a single-payer – it would be just one insurance company among hundreds. It’s therefore far more accurate to refer to what Hacker was proposing as a company, a corporation, or a business that would be set up by the government. It was ALWAYs misleading for Hacker to refer to his proposed entity as a government program like Medicare, and it was EXTREMELY misleading for him and his acolytes to continue doing so after the Democrats adopted a microscopic version of the PO.

However, the early version of the PO that Hacker proposed DID have the potential to become a Medicare-for-all program for nonelderly Americans. In his 2001 and 2007 papers, Hacker said he wanted to give his public insurance company several very important advantages that would have allowed the company to start out with enormous size and to grow even larger early in its life. Hacker proposed five advantages or criteria for his original PO:

(1) It had to be prepopulated (he would have shifted Medicaid and SCHIP enrollees and all or some of the uninsured into the PO);
(2) Subsidies would go only to the PO;
(3) It would be open to all non-elderly Americans;
(4) It would have the authority to use Medicare rates (this was not as important as the first three criteria); and
(5) The insurance industry had to offer the same coverage.

According to an analysis of Hacker’s 2007 paper by the Lewin Group, Hacker’s original PO would have enjoyed premiums 23% below those of the insurance industry and would have enrolled 129 million people, or about half the non-elderly population. According to the Lewin Group, Hacker’s original version of the public company would grow rapidly, from insuring half the non-elderly in 2008 to two-thirds of the non-elderly within a decade. Conversely, the insurance industry’s share of the non-elderly market would shrink from half to 35% within ten years.

In my view, the Lewin Group grossly underestimated how much damage Hacker’s original version of the PO would do to the insurance industry. I think a public insurer with half the non-elderly population and premiums at 23 percent below the industry’s would have quickly destroyed the insurance industry. Twenty-three percent is an enormous differential. To put 23 percent in perspective, consider that HMOs in the 1980s had premiums only 5-10% lower than the traditional non-managed-care insurance companies they eventually displaced. Even though most Americans didn’t want to be in HMOs, employers all over the country pushed their employees into HMOs in order to take advantage of that 5-10 percent premium differential. And that was two decades ago when premiums took less of a bite out of everyone’s pocket. Can you imagine how fast employers would dump their existing insurance company today for a 23 percent cut in their premium, especially if the PO were as kind and gentle as PO advocates say it would be?

It’s hard to believe that someone as informed about health policy as Hacker didn’t know his original PO had the potential to become a single-payer for the non-elderly. Let me read to you a portion of a transcript of a phone conference call sponsored by EPI on January 11, 2007 in which two participants, Ezra Klein (a blogger for the Washington Post) and Bob Kuttner (co-editor of the American Prospect), asked Hacker why he thought his proposal would succeed any better than Clinton’s 1993 Health Security Act. Klein says, “What you’ve proposed here is much more fundamentally dangerous to the actors who killed it the last time around.” Kuttner, who must have seen an early draft of the Lewin report, says, “ou’re setting in train a gradual process whereby the whole system gradually shifts from 50/50 to 60/40 to 70/30. So after a couple of generations, almost everybody is in the quasi-Medicare program. Is that the intent?”

Hacker denied that was his intent. He agreed that the PO would start out at 50 percent, but then it would basically just get stuck there despite its enormous cost advantages over the private insurance industry. Here’s what Hacker said: “ did not forecast a huge shift over just a 10-year period. I think it was a shift of two percentage points over that period. So, at that rate, we’d have everyone within Medicare in about 250 years.”

But Hacker was wrong. As I’ve already told you, when the Lewin Group released its analysis of Hacker’s proposed program a year after this conversation took place, they projected a 34% increase in the PO’s enrollment over a decade, not 2%. And as I said, I think Lewin was being way too conservative.

Hacker’s answer to Klein and Kuttner illustrates the strange state of denial Hacker and other PO advocates induced in themselves as they tried to sell the PO as a politically feasible alternative to single-payer even though it would, in its original form, do a lot of damage to the insurance industry and would probably have led to a single-payer for the non-elderly.

But Hacker’s confusion (and the confusion of other PO leaders) over whether the PO would be more feasible than a single-payer was MINOR compared to the confusion that set in when congressional Democrats adopted a microscopic version of Hacker’s original PO. When the Democrats released their draft legislation in June 2009, it was clear they had stripped out four of the five criteria for the public company that Hacker had specified in his original papers.

The only criterion the Democrats kept was the one requiring insurance companies to offer the same coverage as the PO. The other four criteria –
• the one calling for prepopulation of the PO,
• the one requiring that only the PO get subsidies,
• the one requiring that the PO be available to all non-elderly Americans, and
• the one authorizing Medicare’s reimbursement rates
– all four of those criteria were gone. Now it was crystal clear to anyone who understood what Hacker had originally proposed that the PO the Democrats had adopted was so small it wouldn’t affect the insurance industry. The Congressional Budget Office said the Senate version of the PO would insure no one; it said the House version would insure 10 million, and then later scaled that back to 6 million.
Now that the PO had been shriveled down from 129 million people to zero to 6 million, PO advocates faced not only the same old political feasibility problem (the insurance industry and the Republicans continued to scream about the tiny PO as if it were a big PO or a single-payer), but they also faced a huge logistical problem. A PO that represented no one on the day it opened for business wouldn’t be able to crack most insurance markets in the US, and might not even be able to survive.

This is where Hacker’s habit of always comparing the PO to Medicare became extremely misleading. When Medicare commenced operations on July 1, 1966, it represented nearly all seniors. With the exception of a few hospitals in the south that temporarily resisted integrating their facilities, all clinics and hospitals in America immediately began accepting Medicare enrollees even though there was no law requiring them to do so. The reason all clinics and hospitals did that is that Medicare represented an enormous constituency on day one and providers didn’t want to walk away from so many patients and so much money.

The tiny PO the Democrats incorporated into their bills was no Medicare. It would represent no one on the day it opened for business. It would have to do what NO insurance company has done in the last three or four decades, which is to create a new, successful insurance company in every state in the US. In fact, I’m pretty sure no insurance company has expanded into even ONE new market in the last three decades by building a new insurance company from scratch. For the last three decades, insurance companies that wanted to expand their empires have done so by BUYING their way into new markets. That is, they bought an existing insurance company.

But Hacker and other PO advocates blithely ignored this issue. They ignored it because they continued to talk about the Democrats’ PO as if it were the same huge PO Hacker had originally proposed. I might add that the CBO totally ignored this issue as well. The CBO never examined the issue of whether the PO would be able to crack even one US market, much less all of them. I think the CBO was being extremely generous to the House version of the PO when they said it would insure 6 million people.

Nevertheless, as inexplicably rosy as it was, the CBO’s reports on the PO sealed its fate. The poor PO was already hated by the right wing and the insurance industry. It was being promoted by people who cared more about an insurance industry bailout than the PO. And now the CBO was revealing the truth about the Democrats’ version of the PO – that it was laughably small and for that reason was going to save little or no money.

When Democrats throughout Congress, especially those in swing districts, asked themselves why they should vote for something as controversial as a PO when the darn thing wouldn’t save any money, PO advocates had no answers.

To sum up: The PO rose to prominence because powerful Democratic constituency groups thought single-payer was not feasible but the PO was. They were wrong. The PO failed politically, and it failed as a policy idea. Politically, it turned out to be no more feasible than single-payer. As a policy, it was a disaster. The tiny PO adopted by Democrats would have accomplished nothing other than to embarrass all of us who believe government must play a prominent role in insuring the uninsured.

Tags: Barack Obama, health care, Healthcare Reform, HR 676, public option, Single Payer Healthcare, Single-Payer, universal healthcare
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:01 AM
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54. Hey! F the Lewin Group!
And I mean that in my heart.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 04:47 PM
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74. And???...nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:35 PM
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69. Should make this a separate post :) n/t
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Kyril Enko Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:56 PM
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39. K & FUCKING R!!!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:03 PM
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40. Seems like it's on life support to me.
We're gonna need a lot more than 4 Senators.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:31 PM
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43. Here there be Democrats. nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:02 AM
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45. Yeah baby!
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:08 AM
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46. Quick...stand back...give it some room to breathe :)
Dear Senators Bennet, Brown, Gillibrand and Merkley....THANK YOU!

Now will the rest of you people do your dang jobs right and get us some public health care????? Thanks :)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:37 AM
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47. It only lives if the President says so, and so far he hasnt said so. nt
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:49 AM
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48. Sounds GREAT!
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:03 AM
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49. I just tried to call the DC office to leave a message of support and
the mailbox is full! Good sign DU'ers. I'll try the other numbers and call the D.C. number tomorrow during regular business hours.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:33 AM
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50. i'll write him then, thanks!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 04:05 AM
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51. yes! Yes!! YES!!! kick kickety kick!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 04:26 AM
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52. And while you are at it--
--ask that it be open to anyone.
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:58 AM
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53. K & R
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 08:28 AM
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56. Where? In Bangladesh?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:40 AM
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57. Just sent an e-mail thank you to the senator. n/t
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:14 AM
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58. okay, but these 3 shouldn't be the only ones.
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riverbendviewgal Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:20 AM
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59. If Public Option becomes one payer
The insurance companies will NOT die off.
Up here in Canada we still have medical insurance for prescriptions, semi private, dental, eye glasses/contacts, hearing aids. I pay 140 bucks a month for this kind of insurance.

We in Ontario walk into our doctors' offices and out with no medical bills. We go to the hospital and just get billed for TV service. Our doctor doesn't ask anyone if he can give me tests or treatment. He just does it.

The Ontario government where I live pays 500 bucks for each hearing aid every 5 years. That doesn't cover the cost of mine but my private insurance covers 500 and then I pay for the rest. Eye exams are free if you have an eye illness or injury other wise you pay for the exam.
Prescriptions are for you to pay or with the help of private insurance except when you turn 65 you pay 100 bucks a year and then each prescription is 2 bucks each time.

My doctor is part of a health clinic. If I can't get an appointment and I am sick I can go Monday to Friday till 5 to see any of his co doctors.

I live in Northern Ontario and we do have a doctor shortage but so does southern Ontario.

My pharmacist says the doctor shortage is not because of tuition to become a doctor but because there are not enough spaces for medical students. And many doctors don't want to live in the rural boonies but that can be said for anywhere, including the USA.

Hopefully this can be rectified..

I hope you all can have the peace of mind I have. It is not utopia but I can feel my health care is in good hands.
My son and husband were diagnosed with cancer two months apart. They fought their battle for as long as they could, unfortunately they died but with the best of care, the latest of treatments. My son had the same brain tumor as Ted Kennedy and from what I read he had the same exact treatments. My son died 10 years ago at 26 years old. His dad had Non Hodgkin's lymphoma and died in 2001. They both had numerous operations, chemo, radiation, intensive care and palliative care. The doctors and staff were wonderful.

And I didn't go bankrupt as there were no medical bills whatsoever.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:43 AM
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60. Forget the 'Public Option'. With the insurance companies involved
it's a another con game worthy of the 3 Card Monty

Single Payer, Universal Health Care. Going for for some kind of public option may sound good, but too many people will wind up falling through he cracks.

Anything short of Single Payer, Universal Health Care is like playing hop scotch across a canyon.
We are already dead last in reform. Let's do it right this time.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:11 PM
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65. My thoughts as well :) n/t
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:48 AM
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62. Good for him
I have to admit I've never heard of Bennet before. (I thought I knew all 100 of them.) If he pulls this off, he's one of my heroes.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:16 PM
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66. good news... every effort makes a difference
the more people hear the more people learn about this topic. The last thing the fascists want is for this issue to stay on the front page... it gets expensive for the detractors, and that's a very good thing indeed.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:28 PM
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67. The more I see of Gillibrand, the more I likey!!!
You go, girl! :hi:
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:20 PM
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70. Done.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:25 PM
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72. It's time for Reid to crawl back into his hole; when he comes out he will see the HCR shadow and
declare 6 more weeks of delay.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 02:29 PM
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73. oh gees, just let it die. We don't need another insurance company to add to the
1700 or so that exist to take money and minimize payments. Go for the Gold--an improved Medicare for All--single payer. Do it through reconciliation then.
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