Ok, here's my new theory

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

The electorate is mad and everyone hates everyone on both sides. There is also an anti-incumbent feeling afoot. The media has constantly, insistingly and inaccurately painted President Obama as some kind of far leftist socialist (which we true leftys know he is far from being). The Republicans are the Party of No and have been taken over by the far right Tea-Baggers - leaving them with 2 factions - the sane and the insane. I personally think the Dems have 3 factions going: the Blue Dogs(Republican sane but wearing Dem blue), moderates (slightly more Dem than Blue Dogs),and leftys(leftys are what used to be plain vanilla social safety net/civil rights/labor Dems, but now we are the "fringe")

Many people have acknowledged the political vacuum that exists, the debate is whether the right left or middle will step in and vacuum up the disaffected of either or both parties.

I think the "centrists" will pop up with a Third Party or Coalition claiming they are the only way to achieve actual consensus, bi-partisanship, etc. - all the things that some politicians and all the media have been punditing about. It's a continuation of the Democratic "Third Way" philosophy. I think the Evan Bayhs, Harold Fords, Joe Liebermans, Blue Dogs, "moderates",sane Republicans, some DLC'ers, and various others, are about to morph into a third party to "save" America from the crippling "partisanship" of BOTH the Obama administration AND its foes. In reality, it will simply be the coalition to continue the base that has already been laid down to provide America with More of the Same Corporatism for another decade or so since there's still some work to be done transferring wealth, dismantling the middle class, re-writing the Constitution, etc.

Whadda ya think?

[lunatica]

1. I'm beginning to believe there's panic in Washington DC

The world outside their bubble is going crazy and they don't feel they're in control anymore. They're trying hard, bless their hearts, but they're floundering because they don't understand what's happening.

And I think Evan Bayh (sp?) is being blackmailed.

[OHdem10]

4. I am being sincere not sarcastic. Who will be the rank and file in

this Third Party you describe???? I have never met an average
American who called themselves a centerist.

[lunatica]

5. I think you meant to reply to the OP

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

6. I hear lots of people say "I hate them all", etc

Or describe themselves as socially liberal, fiscally moderate, etc. There's all kinds of variations on this theme.

This new group will describe themselves similarly. Their 2 big banners will be "deficits and fiscal responsibilty" and "national security". Although that sounds completely Republican, remember the Old Guard Republicans lost all their credibility by running up the deficits in the first place. That's why righties run from the label now and describe themselves as "conservatives" or "small government Republicans - i.e. Libertarians.

Democrats on the other hand will self smear themselves all day long or alternately allow themselves to be smeared as being the party of taxes and big government without adequately explaining why both are necessary. Why does President Obama say healthcare MUST be "deficit neutral"? Why doesn't military spending have to be deficit neutral? Why doesn't corporate welfare have to be deficit neutral?

I think Scott Brown is the perfect embodiment of what I'm talking about. He is a result of an anti-incumbant "throw them all out" attitude, plus he appears sane, plus he has claimed his independence from Republican dogma, he spoke positively about bi-partisanship, etc. etc. And a state always describes as being died in the woool liberal and Democrat votes him in! He may have been a fluke, but I think people are scrutinizing him and the mood out there in general and coming up with what I have described.

[tavalon]

7. Yep, the mushy middle almost doesn't care enough to vote,

they certainly aren't going to volunteer to canvass or to do any volunteering at all.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

12. and yet people here tell me constantly that most Dems are "moderates"

and are part of the mushy middle you say almost doesn't care enough to vote.

I don't necessarily believe that, but that is what I am told when wishing that Democrats would act like Democrats and not the identical twin cousin to the Republicans.


Now my favorite shower song which can easily be adapted to be the campaign song for the New Republocrat Party

But they're cousins,
Identical cousins all the way.
One pair of matching bookends,
Different as night and day.

Still, they're cousins,
Identical cousins and you'll find,
They laugh alike, they walk alike,
At times they even talk alike --

You can lose your mind,
When cousins are two of a kind.

[CTyankee]

8. Wow, say more about this. You make me think that maybe he's hiding

some shady dealings in his past. Can you share a few more of your ideas...

[lunatica]

9. I'm surmising based on the way people normally act

If He's going full steam and raising funds for a new run one day and the next he's quitting unexpectedly and suddenly with a truly lame excuse (that he loves working for the people but hates Congress (huh?)) there's always more to it than meets the eye. Politicians always have their eye set on a future goal which is usually just to get elected or re-elected. And his youngest son was actually crying and being held by his mother. She had a smile pasted on her face and the older son looked like he was in shock. If you can watch it again and just look at the members of his family. What kid cries because dear old dad wants to spend more time with him?

I always pay attention to the body language and the details of the family members. Politicians are very good at hiding the truth, but their families aren't. Remember Al Gore's daughters breaking down during his concession speech? They were reflecting the truth about how the family felt.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

10. There is definitely an untold story

my guesses


1. He is replacing Billy Tauzin

2. Scandal

3. Preparing for a challenge to Obama

[lunatica]

11. Or he's becoming a lobbyist and sees $s in his future

[Donnachaidh]

2. after listening to that smarmy toad Bayh on GMA this morning I think you may be right

the only thing he was missing was the can of halo polish -- he wants to *work for the people* -- gag me with a fork... :puke:

[mmonk]

3. As narcissistic as he is, you may be correct. Whatever he does, I

have no interest.

[Festivito]

13. Agree mostly. My differences:

Republicans are left with the CORRUPT and the insane. There is no sanity there. The good ones cannot back down from prior positions without looking weak or wishy-washy destroying their image and their self-image. Their corporate masters prod them along under threat of no job or worse, no importance in life.

Dems have the corrupt as well, only fewer. The Dem centrists are moving, but, since they have held position between truth and propaganda of the day, they can move either way depending, sadly, on corporate media propaganda, but, gladly with a smattering of left-wing radio.

The upcoming fight will be hard and between the corporatists and corporeals, and the corporatists have more money than is imaginable -- well, let's imagine that amount as ten times the known wealth of the world (CDSs) that can be slowly or quickly brought to bear analogous to a stockpile of nuclear weapons only no MAD(Mutual Assured Destruction), as yet, to thwart instigation.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

14. Now I'm just about positive about my theory

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32894.html
Conservative manifesto coming soon
By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 2/12/10 12:54 PM EST

With conservatives grappling among themselves for control of their movement — and the Republican Party — a group of more than 80 prominent conservative thinkers are set to unveil their version of a mission statement for the right.

What they are calling “the Mount Vernon Statement” in homage to George Washington will be unveiled and signed Wednesday — on the eve of the annual gathering in Washington of the establishment right, the Conservative Political Action Conference.

The big names attached to it include former Attorney General Ed Meese, Heritage Foundation President Edwin Feulner, Family Research Council head Tony Perkins, Media Research Center leader Brent Bozell, Americans for Tax Reform President Grover Norquist and David Keene, head of the American Conservative Union, which is putting on CPAC, among others.
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Now this is what I find interesting. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh this afternoon as I was driving around,( something I force myself to do occasionally),and he said that the TeaBaggers "had" to work within the confines of the Republican Party, they couldn't have their own party or a third party. (says who? one wonders, but he sounded adamant)


THEN, he was talking about this Mount Vernon group. He said that they would have NOTHING to do with social issues and would put ALL their emphasis on fiscal conservatism. I think this will be the genesis of the new or alternative version of the Republican Party and will appeal to the "sane" Republicans. I think they will attempt to leave the Tea Party and perhaps Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin holding the bag of stinking crap which will be all that's left of the Old Republican Party - the frothers can keep all the wedge and social issues, reject evolution, talk tongues to each other, etc. while the "sane" fiscal conservatives will regroup to make their New Party resemble the Republican Party of old, before the fundies and extremists took over. I also think they are making an appeal to certain Democrats (Bayh, perhaps, and others) to join them in their new sandbox, which will now be the proud, bi-partisan, non-wedge issue home of fiscal "responsibles" from both parties. Perhaps they will actually call themselves the Mount Vernon Party, who knows. Let's picture Newt, Jeb Bush, Chuck Luger, Bloomberg, Bayh, Conrad, Baucus, Ford, Lieberman, and other assorted DINOS all aboard together on a shiny new choo-choo pulling out of the station soon.

We'll see. I think I'm right.

[Individualist]

15. If the neocon enablers morph into a third party, they'll be deservedly crushed

and hopefully completely annihilated.