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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:57 AM
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A Bad Year for Teachers, a Bad Year for Public Education
This blogger gets it right. It is a bad year shaping up for public schools.

A Bad Year for Teachers, a Bad Year for Public Education

The privatization of schools is sold as "ingenuity" and as a way of "leveling the field" by offering that cornerstone of free market fundamentalist mythology, "choice". Give parents choice and all problems go away. Because education is like used cars.

Forget that there is exactly zero evidence that charter schools work. Forget that vouchers take as an assumption that children from more difficult backgrounds should be allowed to fail. Forget that the history of American education demonstrates that expansion of public schools and professionalization of the teaching profession--and civil service, collective bargaining protection for teachers--tracks perfectly to the improvement of American education.

Why are we making teachers the sole enemy? And why are we suddenly comfortable with the idea that less democracy is a good thing?


He makes some other good points.

Yes, we need a system to get rid of bad teachers. Does that mean giving bosses absolute power over them? It is mind boggling to me that "liberals" and progressives would approve of a "reform" that would give bosses absolute authority over the schools and inject the profit motive into the system. It is seen as an easy way to be centrist--blame the teachers unions--but in reality it is an immensely dangerous way to think about school reform.

...."Charter schools offer their employees no job security. The pay is terrible, no retirement security, and teachers are often forced to teach outside of their discipline. Ask yourself why you think other people should do a job you're not willing to do just for the good feeling it supposedly gives them? Bosses are always eager to make teachers--or nurses, or child care workers--seem cold and uncaring whenever they advocate for themselves in the workplace. Where are their pay cuts and sacrifice?

..."Charter schools do not hire better teachers. Their staffs tend to be bifurcated between well-paid long-time teachers who have moved over from the public sector and eager young kids who will burn out in a few years. What success charters have comes from their ability to skirt special ed and other "burdens" public schools need to deal with by law, and just skim the best students with the most engaged parents.


I found this page about how all too often the new charter schools and the private schools may not be required to hire certified qualified teachers....but traditional public schools must.

Everything you ever wanted to know about getting your teaching credential—and then some

Teacher Certification Requirements for Private and Charter Schools

Charter schools are independent public schools, each governed by a public board of trustees that has the authority to hire teachers according to their own established standards. In some states, charter schools can hire teachers regardless of state certification and licensure requirements. In other states, charter schools are like district schools held to the same state requirements to hire only certified teachers. Contact your state's Department of Education if you are interested in teaching at a charter school there.

On the other hand, private schools are not regulated by state government and can set their own requirements. While some private schools choose to require teachers to be certified, many do not. Contact individual schools directly to learn what is required to become a teacher there.


Ronnie Reagan's attack on the public school systems, though very flawed indeed, has had a huge impact.

Yes, it really is a bad year for public education. This year appears to be the year that Ronnie Reagan's Nation at Risk, a flawed study....has finally found a way to bring his policies into play.

The demeaning of public education began under Reagan. It has worked well.

Three years into his first term Mr. Reagan's criticism of public education reached a crescendo when he hand picked a "blue ribbon" commission that wrote a remarkably critical and far-reaching denunciation of public education. Called "A Nation At Risk," this document charged that the US risked losing the economic competition among nations due to a "... rising tide of (educational) mediocrity that threatens our very future as a Nation and a people." (The commissioners did not consider the possibility that US firms were uncompetitive because of corporate mismanagement, greed and short sightedness.)After "A Nation At Risk" the nation's public schools were fair game for every ambitious politician or self-important business boss in the country. Its publication prompted a flood of follow-up criticism of public education as "blue ribbon" and "high level" national commissions plus literally hundreds of state panels wrote a flood of reform reports. Most presupposed that the charges made by Mr. Reagan's handpicked panel were true. Oddly though, throughout this entire clamor, parental confidence in the school's their children attended remained remarkably high. Meanwhile Mr. Reagan was quietly halving federal aid to education.

That sums up Mr. Reagan's educational legacy. As governor and president he demagogically fanned discontent with public education, then made political hay of it. As governor and president he bashed educators and slashed education spending while professing to valued it. And as governor and president he left the nation's educators dispirited and demoralized.


But it paid off big time...his education bashing. It has taken 20 years but now there is a Democratic administration moving quickly to accomplish Reagan's goals of privatizing everything.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:04 AM
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1. Someone pointed out the other day on Amy's show
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 01:04 AM by EFerrari
that there is no civil rights oversight at charter schools, let alone, enforcement.


Study: Charter Schools Increasing Racial Segregation in Classrooms

Encouraged by the Obama administration, efforts to expand the number of charter schools are being organized around the country. But concerns are being raised about the system. We speak to UCLA’s Civil Rights Project co-director Gary Orfield about a new study that suggests charter school growth is increasing classroom segregation.


http://www.democracynow.org/2010/2/11/charter_study
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:16 AM
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2. Many think that may be one of the purposes .....
to resegregate.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:20 AM
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3. That's certainly why Milton Friedman came up with the idea of vouchers for private schools. n/t
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:37 AM
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4. k&r
two unrecs while I was reading this...

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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:02 AM
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5. Kansas City MO thinks about closing 30 of 60 schools and laying off 300...
185 teachers, 150 staff and administrators.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/22570317/detail.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:59 AM
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8. Yes, all states are getting braver now following the national lead.
They have carte blanche to get rid of all the "bad" teachers...whether they are "bad" or not.

If the president and his Secretary of Education think it is ok, then it must be ok.

Sad.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:06 AM
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11. Then again....the KCMO school district is pretty much been in a sinkhole for about 20 years now.
They could have a $5 Billion budget and it would STILL be a failure. KCMO school district is out of money, out of ideas, out of leaders, and I'm just glad my kids aren't in them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:54 AM
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12. So you think private companies will do a better job without regulation?
I guess we will soon find out.

People here seem to have their minds made up now that private is best....even though our economy is a mess because of the deregulation.

Folks are so eager to deregulate schools even though it has proved a failure in the world of finance.

Go figure.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:11 PM
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14. I don't have any idea who will do a *better* job....but all I do know for sure
is that the KCMO school district has run the whole thing into the ground and has turned it into an embarrassment. That is a fact!

All I want is whatever is best for the kids. If a private company can do a better job, then more power to them. If the govt. can do a better job...well if the govt HAD done a better job we wouldn't even be asking this question.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:50 PM
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15. Did you know that public schools are losing money....
every time a child goes to a charter school? Every time a student gets vouchers for a private school...did you know the public school loses that money?

Or do you care?

Let's see if privately run education without accountability does better. I hope it does, as I think it is too late now to stop it.

The propaganda about "bad" teachers and "bad" schools has taken its toll now.
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:09 PM
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17. That is BS
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 02:10 PM by joeglow3
Our local school district spends almost $12,000 per student per year. We send our kid to a private school where we pay $1,950 (total cost is about $4,000 - the rest is covered by tithing). Even if the school district gave us a voucher for our share, it still allows them to "keep" the difference (about $10,000) and have one fewer kid to educate.

A big problem is the admin. I agree that in many cases government agencies have way too many people in admin. situations and public schools are no different.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:34 PM
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18. You say what I post is BS? Then why should I bother with facts?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3874

Right-wing legal power exploiting loopholes for a fundamentalist takeover of public education.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5158

Palmetto Christian School in Florida joins 7 former Catholic schools, turns charter for public money
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5151

AP says "ethic rules have been waived" to allow DOE folks to deal more easily with Gates Foundation
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5105

DOE money to flow to schools which defy their unions. To districts which form charter schools.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5099

Some Catholic schools in Florida converting to charter schools this fall.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5085

NY public school students get limited use of school library so 3 charter schools can use it.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5077

Private Christian school gets charter school taxpayer money. Expels children of woman who questions.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5073

Jeb Bush is delighted that Obama is taking on teachers' unions.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5046

Up to 250 public schools to be turned over to outside bidders? Called a hostile takeover.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5015

Are the words "school choice" public code words for the movement to privatize public education?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5000

"Stand and Deliver" school, Garfield High, sadly is one of 12 schools available to outside bidders
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4973

The demeaning of public education began under Reagan. It has worked well.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4966

Charter school director blames too-hard tests and pupils tired of test-taking for poor test scores.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4932

The hodge-podge nature of schools getting public money makes it hard to have funding accountability.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4879

Herbert Kohl on scripted curriculum, surveillance of teachers, and TIME on Arne's 5 billion
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4833

Charter school principals fired after questioning taxpayer money spent on school's real estate arm.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4784

"Democracy Privatized!"...education blog talks about turning over public functions to “the market”.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5610

There is intimidation of those who question school closings in NYC...
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5598

Remember they are even turning A schools into charters.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5615

Imagine Charter Schools sells 5 schools for 44 million...will have them leased back to them.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5586

Blogger gets it: Make big bucks by closing public schools, firing teachers, opening charters.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5558

Teacher union head hires fed pay czar to develop plan to get rid of teachers.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5539
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:52 PM
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20. Seriously, care to narrow that down a bit.
I clicked on 5 links and did not see anything addressing my point. Let me explain it again:

Our local school district has 48,000 students in 80 schools. The budget is around $446,000,000, or $9,292 per student.

Our private school runs at a cost of $3,900 per student. In a hypothetical situation, lets assume 1,000 students got a $3,900 voucher and left the school district. The school district loses roughly $4M, leaving them with 47,000 students and a budget of $442,000,000, or 9,404 per student. I fail to see how this hurts the school district, as 42% of the students cost is shifted away, leaving the remaining 52% to educate those students remaining.

If I am wrong, do you have something specific addressing this, rather than 23 links, most of which don't address this.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:42 PM
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24. You seem to feel like you are entitled to taxes sending your kids...
to private school. You seem ok with schools losing thousands per child...and trust me it is often more like 3 to 5 thousand and sometimes close to half.

IF that is true and you think my taxes should send your kid to private school...though I could not afford to send my own if I had desired...

then I could post all day and not convince you.

Your side is winning, the public schools are dying from defunding. The death knell will be struck by a president we worked very hard to put into office.
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:01 PM
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26. I NEVER said that
I am happy to pay the $1,900 a year. I sacrifice for it (I have no cell phone, no digital cable, no DVR, no televisions newer then 15 years old, etc.).

My concern is that I don't think more money is the answer. I spent a semester in elementary education in college in 1996. I remember a seminar class we had where we discussed funding and a news segment was shown on the Kansas City schools. Essentially, the schools district had TONS of money thrown at it (I assume it was early 1990's) and performance did not change one bit.

I honestly don't know what the answer is, but I am not convinced simply throwing more money at it will solve it (plus, I think WAAAAY too much is eaten up by administrators).
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:10 PM
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28. I was teaching then, paying for my teaching supplies, buying things for kids.
It was not the early 90s when money was "thrown" at the schools. In fact in my over 30 years of teaching I never saw such a time.

By the time I retired I was furnishing any worksheets they needed, paying for them out of my own pocket at the printers.

I was buying hand soap, pencil sharpeners, and pencils and crayons for kids who were needy.

Meanwhile my hard earned tax money is sending 42,000 Florida students to private schools.

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radical noodle Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:41 PM
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30. Look at who is running those schools...
certainly not the teachers.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:31 PM
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23. How many special needs children in that school?
The per pupil cost at public schools looks high because of the smaller class sizes for special needs students. It also includes counselors and administrators. Smaller schools don't need as many of those. Oh, and libraries and other stuff. BTW, does your school pay teachers a liveable wage? Does it offer benefits? That's how the charters cut corners so they can pay their administrators big bucks.

Too many admins? Depends.

You need to remember that private schools are self-selecting. Public schools have to accept the kids who knock on the door. I am so sick of this meme repeated over and over by those who have no first hand knowledge that public schools have too many people sitting around doing nothing. This isn't the case, in my experience. I see the admins and support staff working their buns off -- and the support staff is paid peanuts.
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:03 PM
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27. I agree completely about special needs and ESL.
However, I went through this with someone else on another thread here a few weeks ago. I showed that if 20% of the district was special needs operating with a 2:1 student to teacher ratio and the teachers were paid $100,000 a year (a LOT in Nebraska), you still would not come close to accounting for the gap. Again, I think administrators are a HUGE part of the problem, but it HAS to go beyond just that (the numbers don't add up otherwise - at least not in our school district).
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:17 AM
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35. Independent schools accept special ed students if they excel academically....
We found in both our middle school and our high school that the administration didn't talk to the guidance department, the guidance department didn't talk to the teachers, they also didn't talk to the parents. We recently pulled both kids out of public school so they could study with students who were like minded, one with a physical disability and one without one were accepted based on academics and interview. Why not use that public money to put my kids in a school with 100% college placement, SAT's in the mid 600's. What is wrong with asking kids for more? Public schools do no such thing. Kids can excel, but nobody expects them to. It simply is not acceptable to send your kid to school so they can be assaulted, asked for drug money and the list goes on. It is not acceptable. Why should we take the financial brunt of putting our kids somewhere where they actually fit in and can learn from teachers who actually want to engage them (which of course we do)? This is an Independent school, not a charter school, but the basis of the argument is the same. Until the Administration/Teachers/Guidance Counselors can actually talk to one another and then use that information to help a student in need, why should our student suffer in silence?

Sadly, our oldest student had one comment after 2 weeks at the new school, HE FELT SAFE.... all students should feel safe, and if they don't that's just wrong on so many levels.

This of course won't be a popular sentiment, but many disaffected people hold it. When I see injustice, I find it WRONG. I refuse to put my kids special needs or not in that situation.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:33 AM
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6. K+R for this most important topic!
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:06 AM
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7. "The demeaning of public education under Reagan. It has worked well."
So much ended thirty years ago with that 'more for the rich and me' jerk and those who put him in office.

Your posts/facts/information and your Journal are priceless for education and educating us all. Needed.

Very needed.


Thank you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:02 AM
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9. The other day someone started praising Reagan...
We asked him to tell us ways in which he was so good for the country. He did not have a clue, he was just parroting words he had heard. I told him about Reagan's busting of the air traffic controller's union. He had no idea.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:02 AM
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10. Education holds the keys to all of the kingdoms doors.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:08 AM
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13. When a neighbor went to a meeting about setting up a charter school in our area,
he noticed several grammatical and spelling errors on the power point presentation.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:13 PM
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21. There is a spelling checker on PowerPoint too
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:05 PM
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16. Privatization is about as smart as "new math" was...and it wasn't smart! n/t
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:41 PM
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19. Your last line captures another nail in our coffin.
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 03:42 PM by emsimon33
We voted for change and in critical areas, we have none.

2010 will be the biggest bloodbath in the history of US politics unless Obama starts that change in meaningful areas NOW!!!

One irony is that the knuckle-dragging, tea-partying, jesus-luvin', hypocritical (except they are too tunnel vision to realize this) Republicans want us to go back to the day of a common sense of heritage which the public school system gave us but they want charter schools or home schooling. Go figure!

The solution is health care for all children, nutritious food (stop farm subsidies to crops such as corn), make abortions and birth control easy to get so that those who have children really want the best for those children, free public pre-school optional for all children, a strong head start program, class size of no more than 15 in high need elementary schools with an aide, real school counselors, strong after-school and summer programs, art and music instruction, less emphasis on standardized and competency-based tests and more on individual progress against individually established goals, rebuild the nation's poorest schools, recruit the best teachers for those schools and give them all the resources and support they need, provide parent education and outreach... . In other words, make sure that every child in this country, no matter what his or her economic situation, has the best start possible and all the resources. In the long run, we would save multiple times back in the expense on reduced crime, incarceration, and ill health.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:23 PM
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22. Reagan's screaming meme has paid off, no doubt about it...so sad.
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 06:23 PM by Jefferson23
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:42 PM
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25. K&R more greatness from Madfloridian
And didn't the previous president continue working on Reagan's dream of privatization with his proposal for Social Security?

Among all this noise about "private schools and charter schools are better", where's the call for more parental involvement with children's education? Oh I see, it's so much easier in political discourse to astroturf and make stuff up.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:08 PM
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29. It's amazing how a black President is the one to start resegrigating America. (nt)
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:36 AM
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41. Sad, but absolutely TRUE!!
Slam-dunk truth.:-(
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:10 PM
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31. I see the war on teachers and education
escalating every week, all across the nation.

My local paper is notoriously anti-teacher, teachers' unions, and public school in general. Today they featured a vicious editorial about our union's efforts to collect contractually guaranteed sick days.

Who...what organized groups...are going to stand up and defend public education and teachers?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:37 PM
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32. Education in America is a bottom priority with far too many.
It's a sad day for our country.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:10 AM
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43. Sad? Yes. More than that, as well.
The attack on public education started under Ronald Reagan. The decades of propaganda and erosion of support for education itself, let alone the public system, shows results today. That, along with deregulation efforts and the rise of corporate media, has led to a voting majority that seems to be fine with letting others tell them what to think and how to vote, rather than to think independently and reject obvious manipulation.

The rejection of higher-level thinking in favor of rote memorization, procedures, and test-prep under the "standards and accountability" movement has escalated that whole process.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:49 AM
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37. We have had a week from hell here in Houston....
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 12:51 AM by AnneD
teachers now have their job security tied to the kids Taks test results and you get those AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. Teachers are up in arms. The Admin wants to kill public school. They want to make it 2 tier. If folks want private school-they can pay for it but public school gets the tax money. We can't exclude kids like private schools can and we have to be accountable and they don't. Every week we get kids that are removed from private school.

This is so similar to the way business inserted itself into health care. Up until then, health care was considered non profit. Business sees money in public school and they are salivating. Some things are too important to society to privatize. Health care for one, education for another.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:05 AM
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42. Yes.
We have district admin who is demonizing our union for wanting to hold them accountable for the number of sick days guaranteed by our contract. He's joined by our local paper, which is blatantly anti-union and anti-education. Virulently so, and a few anti-teacher editorials appear every week.

One new board member is all for privatizing, and one of his "friends" showed up to present a long, formal accusation against teachers and the unions to the board a few weeks ago, winking at board members and the admin mentioned above, clearly heard to say, "we'll get 'em." Thankfully, the rest of the board is more reasonable.

Meanwhile, our union president is retiring. So is the classified president, and the board is currently searching for a new superintendent, since ours suddenly resigned last month.

All of this, in the current national climate, is more than worrisome. With encouragement from the top, the privatizers are energized and active.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:45 PM
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33. K&R.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:19 PM
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34. I think it's going to get worse, too.
The propaganda against this profession has succeeded in its dirty work.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:17 AM
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39. and public educators don't have bucks to compete with privatization scammers in campaign donations
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:37 AM
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36. K&R
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:16 AM
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38. didn't privatizing the military result in a cheaper, better product?
oh wait....

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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:31 AM
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40. Out here in SoCal...
LAUSD schools are well into the process of being privatized, just like HMOs took over healthcare in the late70s/early 80s.

Nothing can stop this process as it is being aided and abetted by the highest levels of power and money in America.

But trust me, The privatized Charter-schools WILL NOT TEACH the bottom 35% of our kids (behaviorally speaking)
that are forced-upon Public Schools. Special needs kids also will be left out.

Privatized Charters will bring MORE SEGREGATION, not less, to
schools in most areas.

Too late to stop it–The die is cast.

Eventually, most people will grow to despise the change in their area’s schools, but be POWERLESS to change much about it,
since it will be under PRIVATE, not public, control.

But this is what you get for believing all the anti-public school propaganda & hype,
and reflexively hating on public schools without really knowing, or truly investigating the situation.

Classic case of “You don’t know what you’ve got ’til its gone”.

And it's GOING!!
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