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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:08 AM
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Taking the "public" out of public schools.....happening quickly.
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 01:10 AM by madfloridian
From the Indypendent:

Taking the Public Out of Schools



IGNORED: More than 300 people spoke against school closings at a Jan. 26 meeting of the Panel for Education Policy (PEP). After hearing nine hours of public comments, the PEP voted 9-4 to close 19 schools. PHOTO: ANDREW HINDERAKER

As soon as New York City Department of Education Chancellor Joel Klein leaned into his microphone and started to speak, the jeering began. When he proclaimed the DOE had to shut down 19 schools because “my first obligation is to our children,” the crowd of two thousand public school supporters roared in disbelief.

Over the next nine hours, more than 300 speakers challenged Klein’s reasoning, his motives and his right to decide the fate of their local schools at the Jan. 26 meeting of the Panel for Education Policy (PEP) held at Brooklyn Technical High School. The PEP, whose majority was selected by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, would ultimately approve all 19 school closings by a 9-4 vote in the middle of the night. Yet, there was little doubt that the panel’s action would end the growing controversy over the way Klein and Bloomberg are managing the City’s schools. “Education is a right,” said one parent as she waited to speak. “If we don’t fight, we’re going to lose it.”

The drama that unfolded at the PEP meeting was the product of years of simmering frustration in communities across the city. When Bloomberg plucked Klein, a lawyer, out the corporate world in 2002 to oversee over a school system that educates 1.1 million children in more than 1,500 schools, he promised a new era of mayoral accountability.


So Joel Klein, a lawyer, not an educator...is given the task by Bloomberg to close down public schools.

In Red Hook, parents and educators from P.S. 15 mobilized against the DOE plan to expand PAVE Academy’s presence inside their school for another five years. The DOE claims the P.S. 15 school building is underutilized, a rationale it frequently invokes to justify moving an additional school into an already existing school.

P.S. 15 serves a large population of special education and English language learners, and has received A’s on the DOE’s annual progress report for the past three years. But all of that is at risk as PAVE, whose founder is the son of prominent hedge fund billionaire, continues to grow


That prominent hedge fund billionaire is Spencer Robertson.


The son of a hedge-fund billionaire who has donated $10 million to Mayor Bloomberg’s school projects since 2003, Spencer Robertson opened the PAVE Charter Academy in 2008 inside P.S. 15, a successful elementary school in Red Hook, Brooklyn. Tensions further escalated when the DOE recently announced that PAVE would be allowed to expand inside P.S. 15 over the next five years, even though Robertson has received $26 million from the DOE to build his own school. Robertson’s wife Sarah, the head of the board at Girls Prep Charter School, was at the center of a similar controversy when the school recently sought to expand inside public school facilities in the Lower East Side.

Pave Charter moved right into PS 15 school's building, and it plans to stay for 5 years. It is setting up huge tensions.

PAVE charter may "share" NYC's PS 15 public school building for 5 years.

Those who excuse this intrusion forget that these are public buildings being invaded by schools that run by private corporations. There is no excusing the turning over of public property to privately run schools...no matter how often they use the propaganda term "public charter".

The Department of Education released details of a controversial space-sharing proposal for a Brooklyn charter and district school today, and it would allow the charter to remain in the building until 2015 and add five more grades of students.

The plan follows months of controversy about whether PAVE Academy Charter School should be allowed to continue to share space with Red Hook’s P.S. 15, and if so, whether the charter should be allowed more classrooms in the building.

PAVE originally agreed to leave the P.S. 15 building at the end of this school year. Its request earlier this year to extend its stay sparked worries among P.S. 15 parents and teachers that the charter school would stay indefinitely, squeezing the district school.


Privately operated schools getting taxpayer money and using public buildings...not a good idea.

Kind of hard for public schools with limited funds to fight all the billionaires wanting to cash in a good thing.

Leonie Haimson at Huffington Post tells more about the battle that is heating up with the corporately formed charter school parent groups pushing very hard.

Parents, Students and Civil Rights Advocates Protest the Mass Closings of Public Schools

From a link in her article:


Students from Christopher Columbus High School and Global Enterprise Academy marched to protest the scheduled closing of their schools.

In communities all over the country, resistance is building to the mass closings of neighborhood schools.

Instead of strengthening our neighborhood schools, that have for generations accepted and served a variety of students, and providing resources and reforms like smaller classes that have been proven to work, officials are pursuing a scorched earth policy -- as during the Vietnam war, when the military claimed they were forced to destroy villages in order to save them.

Here in New York City, rallies and protests have attracted thousands, culminating in a tumultuous eight hour meeting of the Panel for Educational Policy, at which parents, students and teachers pointed out how the Department of Education and Chancellor Joel Klein had unfairly targeted their schools, putting forward misleading statistics and incomplete or false data.

They also revealed how the DOE was itself responsible for overcrowding these schools with our neediest children -- many of them poor, immigrant, and needing special education services -- after having closed other large schools nearby. The small "boutique" schools and charter schools that took their place failed to enroll them. The schools now slated for closure also saw huge rises in the number of homeless students over the last few years.


Here is the info from the link about how the DOE is overcrowding schools and causing more to fail.

In Chicago, school officials closed 44 schools between 2001 and 2006 more abruptly than New York did: instead of phasing out schools by grade, the entire student body was dispersed at once. When the schools reopened the next year, there were new administrators, teachers and students.

But the displaced students often went into other weak schools, adding little benefit for those students and sending those schools into tailspins. As chief executive officer of the Chicago public schools during that era, Arne Duncan, now the federal secretary of education, modified the policy to follow what he calls a “turnaround model.” In most cases, students now remain in the same building, while most or all of the staff is replaced.


Replacing the staff provides an easy way to bust union contracts and get rid of teachers who earn too much. Cheaper to hire beginning teachers.

It's happening quickly, it was planned that way. There is no time to think or oppose in an organized way. The billionaires involved in the reform process have a huge money advantage, and they have the media on their side.

Maybe a few bloggers plodding along will get attention to the privatization in time.....but most likely not.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:12 AM
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1. Also see Socialist Worker's report from Thursday on the teachers' protests in LA
http://socialistworker.org/2010/02/11/la-teachers-take-on-charters



There's also a commentary on the front page.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:21 AM
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2. Thank you Madflo.This is such an important issue and it is being swept under the rug.
This needs more attention and folks need to protest what is happening to our education system.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:23 AM
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3. It's a vital issue. Powerful forces allied before we even knew it.
Now the only way we keep up is through the education bloggers who care.

It's almost a losing battle.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:52 AM
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7. And the crickets this type of post is greeted with here are disheartening.
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 01:52 AM by saracat
Somehow the cause of education doesn't seem to be sexy enough for those who just want to be swept up in a campaign cycle of winning personalities while the real issues lay abandoned like debris by the side of the campaign trail.:mad:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:32 PM
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32. It's not the lack of sexiness.
It's that way too many here have bought the neocon pitch.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 04:04 PM
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34. If I fail to vote in 2012 it will be because of Arne Duncan.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:24 AM
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4. Thank goodness there were no spelling errors on the homemade sign...
That would be pretty ridiculous if it said "keep the pubic in pubic education".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:26 AM
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5. I remember that sign.
Where was it seen? Can't remember.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 02:42 AM
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10. Tea Party protestors had "No pubic option" signs or something of that sort
That was a frickin' ROFLfest right there.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 01:34 AM
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6. Bloomberg is a dictator. I can't believe he keeps getting elected.
NY should impeach him.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:12 AM
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16. I Live in NYC, and I can't believe we keep electing him either.
:(

He blatantly sells off huge chunks of the city at bargain prices to developer friends. He puts a lawyer in charge of education, with instructions to gut the teachers unions. He makes it a priority to kill every school that has high numbers of homeless kids and non-English speaking kids so that they keep getting shuffled around, so they can Blatantly rig schools to favor wealthier white kids.

People really Like celebrity rich people.

People really Like racism, as long as it's subtle enough that they've got deniability.

People really like picking on poor people (or Other poor people.) And they like picking on homeless people until it's almost a spectator sport.

With Bloomberg they get all of this! x(

He's supposedly "revitalizing' New York City, which means he's making it safe for white people who say things like "I'm not racist, but you have to admit..." or "I don't have anything against homeless people, but they really should..."

Klein should be stampeded by angry school children (wearing cleats) until he's a broken unrecognizable pulp. That bastard of an ass-kissing bureaucratic yes-man is setting back real education in NY decades and doing immense damage by openly dismantling the public education system.

Bloomberg should be underneath Klein when the stampede happens. :(
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:17 AM
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17. Who gets people like Bloomberg elected?
They should be targeted and exposed for who they are.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:28 AM
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20. He outspent his opponent 10:1.
So most people didn't know he had an opponent, or didn't know who his opponent was.

He's said to be the grand ringleader of a segment of the business community that funds and regulates local politics. So if you want a role in politics, and you want anyone to fund you, you go to one of them, and they have to go to him to find out who he supports. People who support people he opposes lose his support in business deals, and that can cost someone millions in lost business.

So even his opponent was a known friend of his who really supported him and didn't run a real campaign. It was a token opposition just so people could say there was one.

Anyone he doesn't like doesn't reach very high in local politics. Communities that voted mostly against him see funds for services moved away from their communities, and see service delays increase. He's a bastard at funneling benefits to those to support him, and punishing those who don't.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:45 AM
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28. You always have to ask yourself why certain people gravitate to politics
Why would a gazillionaire want to be elected to a position that pays $100K or less a year? What's in it for them? In my city, Phoenix, we have real estate developers serving on the City Council and funneling projects to themselves and their friends. It's disgusting.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:02 AM
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66. Same exact thing in the US Senate. "Hooray for me, fuck you" should.........
........be printed on EVERY politician's back.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 06:42 PM
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71. And even with all that he only won 51% to 41%!!!!!!!!
http://gothamist.com/2009/11/03/election_results.php

Update 11:25 p.m.: With 99% of precincts reporting, NY1 says there's 51% for Bloomberg and 46% for Thompson. The Daily News deems Bloomberg the winner, but has this quote from a Bloomberg campaign staffer, "That's hardly a mandate."
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 01:14 AM
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59. ThomCat----YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT ATTITUDE!!
Edited on Sun Feb-14-10 01:16 AM by nikto
The only hope the Public has in their push-back is
to realize THIS IS WAR.

This is not a negotiation, or disagreement.
IT IS DEADLY COMBAT WITH HUGE STAKES FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

The privatization forces must be DESTROYED AND DISCREDITED FOREVER.
They are a true enemy that should never be bargained with,
only GOTTEN-RID-OF, and pushed far, FAR away from Our Schools, forever.

FOREVER!!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:



That is, IF it's not too late already.:(
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 02:14 AM
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8. K&R
Thank you for all that you do here in regards to keeping us informed on the state of public education. I am still wondering why there isn't as much outrage as there should be, if this was happening under Bush's watch, well, let's just say you would be at the top of the GP every time you posted. :(
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 02:36 AM
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9. Control the education
you can then control the population. The church and the state want to dumb down the children so they can better control them. We will sink further behind the world and then they will look back and wonder what happened.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 02:50 AM
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11. just more union breaking and leaving behind the poor n/t
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:19 AM
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18. They are blatantly out to break the unions. They aren't even
pretending otherwise. No matter how many parents stand up with the unions now, it won't matter, because the parents have no voice and no authority in any of this.

Any random stranger can come in now and buy a school if he's a multi-millionaire, and especially if he's a buddy of Bloomberg's. They'll kill a well-scoring public school and give it to you, and probably still give you facilities and resources taken away from another struggling public school too.

But despite this incredible access and authority that any random wealthy person has to dismantle the schools, parents have no access, no voice, no information, no authority, and can't find any way to get in. :(

So the parents and the unions are both broken outside every school they close. The only people doing well are the playboys, playing dress-up as school reformers. :(
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:04 AM
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12. K & R nt
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 04:34 AM
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13. K&R
I can't believe this is happening so fast. I'm glad now I didn't go into education.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 05:00 AM
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14. Great. Corporate k-12 education. We'll have an entire generation misuing "myself" and
the object form of any pronoun. In fact, I predict within 3 generations, we'll lose the objective form altogether.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:21 AM
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19. We will have entire generations of kids trained to corporate standards
with curricula designed to the specifications of HR departments. :(

As if the schools weren't already designed to churn out obedient near-minimum wage drones. It is only going to get worse as it gets more blatant.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:03 PM
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49. ah, yes. And everyone will have a "specialization" and no tranferrable skills
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:58 PM
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53. Not to mention they're there and their
and two, to and too.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:36 PM
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56. ... or my personal favorites ...
"would of" instead of "would've"
"could of" instead of "could've"
"should of" instead of "should've"

This irks me to no end.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 07:19 AM
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15. verily , as you posted this the state of Floriduh is
approaching giving more tax payer dollars to charter schools. I think the numbers are a change from 5k to 8k per student all under the guise of helping out the lower income families that want to attend. My belief is they are using a totally different definition of lower income to get these dollars.

Yep, billionaires for education, because they care :sarcasm:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:02 AM
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25. And they are trying to expand vouchers...
that give public money to students to go to private schools, even religious ones.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:30 AM
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21. A multipronged attack on the public school system,
Led by Duncan and Obama at the top. Nice to see that the public is starting to fight back, but it may be too little too late. There's money to be made in education and who are we to deny that money to the few.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:31 AM
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22. Virginia is cutting thousands of public school positions while expanding charter schools. And
the state, so far, is refusing to let schools push back standardized test dates even though many have had 5-10 snow days recently. Less time to prepare likely means lower scores which would provide extra "proof" we need more charter schools.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:15 AM
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23. K & R
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:46 AM
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24. K&R . Thanks for highlighting the very sad trend. Privatizing public education.
My hope for a new 21st Century Green FDR included Democrats finally exposing the multiple failures of privatization.

Instead, we're cozying up to a failed right wing platitude that the private sector is more efficient than government.

The right wing wants us to think unions and government administered programs are all bad.

Democrats are supposed to be the party that understands the value of good government and communities working together to improve public services, not strip them of all their funding and give it to private companies to tuck away, then look back and list all the additional reasons public schools are no good after you've stripped them of funding.

Millions crossed party lines to vote for Democrats because we were the party of FDR. We invested more in public services and the nation had seen how decrepit those services had become. We'd suffered major accidents from deferred maintenance of public infrastructure. We'd suffered brutal neglect from critical government departments headed by private cronies like Heckova Job Brownie. We'd suffered international disgrace from privatized military services that included stomping on the Geneva Conventions. We'd suffered the devastating Bush Economic Crash and Bush Bailout from removing government regulation of the financial sector--

Millions voted for good, responsible government again, after too much rampant privatization.

But instead of funding our public schools to improve their facilities and include innovative techniques, we're stripping their funding and handing it over to PRIVATE companies.

If we want to stimulate the private educational innovation companies, why not form public-private partnerships to bring great ideas into our public schools?

Why not have Bill Gates donate millions of computers and millions of dollars for educational innovations in public schools in economically depressed areas?

If our country wanted to privatize everything, we'd have voted for the Republican candidate.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:05 AM
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26. Another ramification of shock and awers.
Keep fighting.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 12:54 PM
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30. Yes, it is like shock and awe....planned in advance to strike fear...
and throw people off balance.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 12:06 PM
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69. Yes way in advance. First thing bushitler did when he took office was cut
PELL. One of the first within a week or two if I recall timing correctly.
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Lothrop Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:38 AM
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27. K&R
Privatization.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 12:06 PM
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29. Chicago schools still fighting the Obama/Duncan policies of closure.
And it is still doing little good.

Powerful article at Substance News

http://www.substancenews.net/articles.php?page=1167§ion=Article

"The people were polite as one by one they got up and refuted every lie that was told about them and their schools by the pinstripe lynch mob assembled by corporate America to oversee another dozen or so Chicago public schools closed down for "failure."

But on the night of February 10, 2010, as the people of Bradwell protested, something had changed in Chicago. For two full weeks, night after night, the people who elected Barack Obama and joined that "hope" that had so long been dashed were shouting and chanting: "No! Not one more school. Not one more child. Not one more lie..."

Even though Chicago's corporate media had averted its eyes from the growing spectacle for a full two weeks, Chicago has risen up. Between January 28 and February 10, more than 3,000 people had gotten themselves downtown to the inconvenient and expensive location of the Chicago Board of Education to protest this year's "Hit List" — another 14 schools to be closed, privatized, phased out, or "turnaround" as part of Chicago's ongoing version of "school reform."

Only in 2010 the Chicago Plan had become the model for the USA, and so every lie that was being refuted by thousands of men, women and children in Chicago had to be covered up by corporate America is the lie was to be spread across the USA by the Obama administration and by Arne Duncan's "Race to the Top" corporate "school reform" plan for the USA.

On February 10, 2010, as the night began, it was cleared that the former neighbors of Arne Duncan and Barack Obama from Chicago's vast South Side were no longer going to take it."
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 12:12 PM
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70. That is a very powerful article.
I hope they are successful in their efforts to keep their school open.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 12:55 PM
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31. WalMart Charter Schools
get ready, make other plans
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 07:33 PM
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41. Yep. General Mills Elementary and Proctor and Gamble
High! I can see it now! Sad. Just sad. Too, if you think the teachers are going to make decent wages, forget it. BUT, Duncan and Pres. Obama want the brightest and the best! In your dreams, jelly bean! lol!!
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:37 PM
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33. K&R to you MadF.
You teach us all how to carry on. I'm further down the road of giving up than ever. It is so disheartening to come to DU only to find members spouting bill bennet's mantra. And then when my president, for whom I busted my ass during the election, is the instrument that lets the neocons finally get their wishes, it is hard to care anymore. If it weren't children and our future at stake, we could just let the corporations have the schools as so many here want and then let them see what they get for their smug gullibility.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 01:28 AM
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62. Jakes Progress, I share your emotions
Edited on Sun Feb-14-10 01:29 AM by nikto
"Disheartening" is kind of a mild way of putting it, actually.

Know what I mean?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 11:45 AM
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67. Beat up and sold out is more like it.
Edited on Sun Feb-14-10 11:46 AM by Jakes Progress
I retired (couldn't take the insanity and stay alive) and it is sad to say that my best days are those that I don't even think about education, a subject that consumed my wife and I for over thirty years.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 04:56 PM
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35. As soon as our education system goes in 50 different directions,
it won't be long before there will be a dismantling of the 50 states.
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kurtzapril4 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 06:12 PM
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36. Charter Schools
MadFlo, the selling and selling out of public education really frightens me. I wish Bill Moyers would do a special on it, if he hasn't already. The only dog I have in this fight is my tax dollars, which I don't want to see going to corporations. I don't want them taking over public school buildings, or the educational system. Thank YOU for educating me on this subject.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 01:26 AM
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61. on Bill Moyers
I do know that independent researcher Gerald Bracey (a national treasure whom we lost in October, 2009) tried in vain to get Bill Moyers to address the relentless assaults on public education. However, that doesn't mean we should stop trying to gain Moyer's attention.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 07:22 PM
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37. this is what the Libertarian's have wanted all along.. CSA =Corporate States of America
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 07:23 PM by sam sarrha
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 07:27 PM
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38. Have been saying for quite a few years that it was the aim of some to
destroy the public school system. Looks like this is happening at a fast pace now.
We need to fight this tooth and nail. Thanks goodness my teaching days are over....z
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 07:28 PM
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39. The pace is escalating tremendously under Obama.
It's not okay just because it's a Democrat doing it.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 01:34 AM
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63. Zoigal...
I've got 16 months until my retirement.

It's going to be challenging, but I'll get there.

In these awful times, that is keeping me going.
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 01:56 AM
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64. Hang in there, nikto.
I taught forty years and made it. Enjoyed teaching tremendously, but would never choose the career
if i started over. Wishing you great retirement years.....z
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 07:31 PM
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40. K & R
Not that my vote matters to these people, but anybody, and I mean ANYBODY who promotes this shit, LOSES MY VOTE!
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 07:48 PM
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42. I'm with you, Dinger.
I have never, in my life, stayed home from an election. But if Obama and other Democrats continue dismantling public education, I'll do it. I'll cry in frustration and anger, but I'll do it.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 07:50 PM
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43. Recommend Highly. EOM
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:22 PM
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44. Remember, "Private" means if you're not in, it's none of your business.
This push to privatize everything essentially means keeping public opinion and public influence out. We're back to the aristocracy making the rules as they go along and not a damn thing we can do about it because they will stand behind the right to privacy.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:28 PM
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45. Yes. This is Shock and Awe
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 08:36 PM by sulphurdunn
and the weapons are very rich people's money and crooked politicians. But maybe, just maybe, they may have overreached this time. Fight back! This is American not Iraq. Contact the NEA, your local media, educational associations, school boards, superintendents, departments of education, political parties and so called Representatives. State legislatures all over America are preparing to sellout public education for Arne Duncan's charter school money. DEMAND that they reverse this position or suffer the consequences. Be diplomatic but not polite. Let them know that this means war, goddammit! These fuckers and their spear carriers have been ruining this country for too long. Enough! Semper Fi.

:patriot:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:40 PM
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46. Thank you for posting. +R
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 08:57 PM
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47. The age of Obamarama....
nearing the end of hope and reason!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:01 PM
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48. Money continues to buy illegitimate influence . . .
How NY could elect Bloomberg is beyond me -- !!

Frightening!!

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:43 PM
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50. This is yet another GREAT post on this subject. Thanks for all you do on this.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:47 PM
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51. Department of Education Reveals New Plan for Lower East Side Charter School Expansion
They are displacing special needs children in order to expand a charter school..


http://dnainfo.com/20100113/manhattan/department-of-education-reveals-new-plan-for-lower-east-side-charter-school-expansion

MANHATTAN — The city's Department of Education believes they have come up with a solution to accommodate the expansion of a charter school without displacing students in neighboring public schools.

In a new proposal put forth by the DOE, Girls Prep Charter School would be allowed to expand in the building it now shares with P.S. 94 and P.S. 188.

The expansion will bring up to 250 girls into the shared school building on East Houston Street.

The DOE believes space can be made in next few years as current students at P.S. 94, a school catering to autistic children, graduate and move on.

Space is also available in P.S. 188, according to the DOE, which has a capacity of 1,010 students, but used just 67 percent of its space in the 2008-2009 year.

Parent representatives from P.S. 94 and P.S. 188 did not return calls for comment, but they have been very vocal in the past.

Most recently, they joined a forces with other District 1 schools to protest the Girls Prep expansion. They were supported by local City Council members Rosie Mendez and Alan Gerson and State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver.

The coalition is especially concerned with displacing the autistic students at P.S. 94.

This newest proposal comes after the DOE presented three proposals back in November of 2009, sparking outrage from parents and teachers at several District 1 Schools.

The public can now comment on the current proposal by e-mailing D01proposal@schools.nyc.gov or calling 718-935-4415.

A final decision will be made in late February.

Read more: http://dnainfo.com/20100113/manhattan/department-of-education-reveals-new-plan-for-lower-east-side-charter-school-expansion#ixzz0fTjA4VKJ
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:50 PM
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52. Testimony of Dr. Leo Casey before NYC Council Education Committee
Edited on Sat Feb-13-10 10:51 PM by BrklynLiberal
http://www.uft.org/news/issues/testimony/chartertestmnyleo42009/


<snip>

Today, we in the United Federation of Teachers remain deeply committed to this original Shanker vision of a public “charter school.” And when it comes to this vision of charter schools, we don’t simply talk the talk. We walk the walk: we have started two charter schools of our own in East New York, and we have partnered with Green Dot to start a third charter school in the South Bronx. We proudly represent educators in nine charter schools in New York City, and our national union, the American Federation of Teachers, represents many more across the country.

The original Shanker conception of a public “charter school” was not ideological and political, but educational. In recent years, however, political ideologues opposed to public education and to teacher unions have sought to turn the charter school concept into its opposite, using it as a vehicle to privatize public education and undermine teacher voice and professionalism. To this end, these political ideologues divisively pit school against school, parent against parent, charter against district, using the politics of conflict. That we will always oppose, as educators and as citizens. Our democracy depends upon public schools, both district and charter, which unite us as Americans.

What is at issue here is not the existence of charter schools, but their character. Charter schools must be “public schools” in the fullest meaning of the term, dedicated to education for the public good and in our common purposes as American citizens. They must serve all and bring us together. They must be a force for improving public education.

<snip>

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:06 PM
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54. Shanker's idea of charters was a worthy one...here is more.
Shanker's views were not those of Eli Broad (rhymes with toad).

In a speech to the National Press Club in 1988, he proposed the idea of teacher-led "charter schools" where rules could be bent if the great majority of teachers in a small school approved. He called on districts to "create joint school board-union panels that would review preliminary proposals and help find seed money for the teachers to develop final proposals."

..."Shanker "watched with alarm as the concept he put forward began to move away from a public-school reform effort to look more like a private-school voucher plan. Shanker came to believe that the charter school movement was largely hijacked by conservatives who made many charter schools vulnerable to the same groups that made voucher schools so dangerous: for-profit corporations, racial separatists, the religious right, and anti-union activists...Shanker watched with dismay as 'those who had tremendous contempt for public education' jumped on to the charter school bandwagon."


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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:15 PM
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55. I knew this was going to happen...
The second Bush allowed taxpayer money to be used for private and religious schools instead of putting that money into public schools like he should have.
I hope this is stopped NOW.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 12:22 AM
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57. Unfortunately, the Obama administration's attitude toward private takeover of public education just
encourages this sort of thing.

Obama really disappointed me recently when he repeated the Bush admin's "We will 'reward' the schools that are doing well, not those that are failing." In other words, "Schools with the most at-risk, needful populations and insufficient funding will not be helped. Those schools in higher socioeconomic areas, with smaller at-risk populations, will get additional funds."

As always, the Ayn Randers criticize this story, but despite their efforts to discredit the message, this story makes a very valid point regarding why 'rewarding' teachers or schools with the highest test scores. http://www.jamievollmer.com/blueberry_story.html

This is not to say that there aren't lousy teachers out there, but there needs to a better way to manage that problem. Teachers who need it should be given more training and support. Those who are hopeless need to be escorted to the door.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 12:50 AM
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58. Public Schools are all but gone
Edited on Sun Feb-14-10 01:03 AM by nikto
It's getting pretty late in the process to reverse the machinery set up by Gates,
Broad, Walmart and others of the Elite.

And basically, people are dumb----Even "educated" people like many teachers.

Here in the Los Angeles area, lots and lots of teachers were taken in by the neocon BS and
actively VOTED FOR the conversion of their schools (2 examples: Granada Hills HS---now chartered
by for-profit interests; and, the largest HS campus west of the Mississippi--Birmingham HS in the San Fernando valley,
also, now under control by private interests.)

MANY teachers in both those schools voted FOR the conversion. But now, it turns out a huge number of them have had
a change-of-heart, now that their Union has been kicked-out of those schools, and many
benefits are now lost and salaries cut.

NOW, the teachers cry cry cry.

Same thing with some of the pitiful parents of those communities who bought the neocon sales pitch
lock, stock and barrel about "more parental control" and the "evil teachers Union".

Well, needless-to-say, many are crying about it now.

Cry cry cry! Cry cry cry!

Well, those may be great lyrics for a "Question-Mark and The Mysterians" song, but as a substitute
for actually THINKING, RESEARCHING and ANALYZING what is going on in this country with Education,
it isn't very intelligent, is it?

AND, it gets a "T", for TARDY.

As a teacher, I struggle with intellectual and informational LAZINESS every single day.
But that's with KIDS! That goes with the territory.

It's the damn "ADULTS" that let this happen, partly because of intellectual LAZINESS.

As a teacher in that same district who reads incessantly about this issue (there have been wonderful Edublogs
available for YEARS, for ANYONE to access, that explained this all very clearly),
I was ignored and sometimes even mocked for my apprehensions BY OTHER TEACHERS some 7-8 years ago,
and right up until fairly recently.
I didn't take it personally, since I'm pretty thick-skinned from teaching tough inner-city kids for decades.


But nobody I know is laughing anymore.

Unfortunately, so many teachers and parents were so damn slow on the uptake, that I fear it is too late to stop,
or even slow down the process much.

Maybe 5 years ago, if a true anti-privatization movement had gotten off the ground, SOME successful
populist pushback could have been achieved.
But now? I don't know.

My own motivation was just that I objected to what was happening ON PRINCIPLE,
because that is the way I was raised----With true LIBERAL values.
That's what had ME worrying over this stuff since back in the early 2000s.

After a while, I realized how rare my attitude (and upbringing) was.

Don't believe it if anyone tells you the BS that teachers are a Liberal bunch----They aren't.
Maybe they were at one time, but not anymore.
Most slept thru what's happening.

Citizen AND TEACHER complacency, naive skepticism, and the attitude of "I don't like to focus on negative things",
contributed to a vast obtuseness on the part of the American People AND most educators.
This obtuseness just opened the door to the privatizers, with their sales pitches, BS,
and warlike strategies/tactics.

But as we are seeing now---PAIN is the best teacher.
People are only coming around BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING HURT.

But I fear the lesson is being learned too late.

I have read-about and watched the whole hideous privatization process, MOSTLY ALONE among my colleagues and friends,
over most of the last decade, like a slow-motion train wreck.

Now, things are speeding-up.


PAIN----The only lesson-plan that seems to work with "the masses".

And surely, more pain is on its way.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 01:23 AM
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60. And OBAMA is just as bad as BUSH on Education
Obama comes off as a vile, slimebag privatizer, in regards to
his policy on Public Education.

He never went to public schools himself.
But that shouldn't make any difference.

Where does Obama come off appointing the likes of ARNIE DUNCAN
to Education Secretary?:puke: :puke: :puke:

On Ed Policy, Obama is as LOATHSOME as the people he has appointed,
and even now, supports.

I once thought Obama would "save our asses" in the public schools.

How wrong I was!!!!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 02:31 AM
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65. kick
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 11:48 AM
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68. For Democrats and republicans - a pox on their house.
Edited on Sun Feb-14-10 11:48 AM by Jakes Progress
Our congress critters of both parties and our administration share one roof when it comes to backing corporate education.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:05 PM
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72. I'm Kickin' This
And I'm gonna keep kicking it.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:16 PM
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73. Is there anyone on our side?
This will have lasting effects - it will change things for generations to come. If the current administration is not on our side, and the mainstream media clearly is not, who can we count on?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 09:43 PM
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74. No politician that I know of is on our side.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 10:19 PM
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75. I guess "follow the money" has more than one meaning eh?
:(
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-15-10 08:36 AM
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76. Disgraceful beyond words. n/t
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