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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:31 AM
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No bees? Not just strange, but scary
No bees? Not just strange, but scary
Dave Lindorff

is an investigative journalist living in Maple Glen

Where are the bees?

As an unwilling and disgruntled suburbanite, I take great pride in my dandelion crop. Over the decade that I have owned my 2.3-acre lot in Maple Glen, just north of Philadelphia, I have watched as the dandelion population in my lawn has grown year on year.

One reason I've enjoyed the display is that I know these bright-yellow-flowered plants, which bloom early and continue blooming well into fall, are popular with honeybees. Given all the problems the bees have been having with insecticides, destruction of natural habitat, and the like, I'm happy to give them some help.

I remember that when I was a kid growing up in rural Connecticut, getting stung by a honeybee was almost a weekly occurrence that went along with going barefoot in the lawn. (My parents liked dandelions, too.)

Today, though, you could walk all day barefoot around my yard and never get stung. There's not a honeybee to be seen.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20070426_No_bees__Not_just_strange__but_scary.html
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:32 AM
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1. X-Files plotline? -nt
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:46 AM
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2. Mars needs honey!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:52 AM
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10. no, it's far more serious

February 27, 2007
Honeybees Vanish, Leaving Keepers in Peril
By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO
VISALIA, Calif., Feb. 23 — David Bradshaw has endured countless stings during his life as a beekeeper, but he got the shock of his career when he opened his boxes last month and found half of his 100 million bees missing.

In 24 states throughout the country, beekeepers have gone through similar shocks as their bees have been disappearing inexplicably at an alarming rate, threatening not only their livelihoods but also the production of numerous crops, including California almonds, one of the nation’s most profitable.

“I have never seen anything like it,” Mr. Bradshaw, 50, said from an almond orchard here beginning to bloom. “Box after box after box are just empty. There’s nobody home.”

The sudden mysterious losses are highlighting the critical link that honeybees play in the long chain that gets fruit and vegetables to supermarkets and dinner tables across the country.

Beekeepers have fought regional bee crises before, but this is the first national affliction.

Now, in a mystery worthy of Agatha Christie, bees are flying off in search of pollen and nectar and simply never returning to their colonies. And nobody knows why. Researchers say the bees are presumably dying in the fields, perhaps becoming exhausted or simply disoriented and eventually falling victim to the cold.

As researchers scramble to find answers to the syndrome they have decided to call “colony collapse disorder,” growers are becoming openly nervous about the capability of the commercial bee industry to meet the growing demand for bees to pollinate dozens of crops, from almonds to avocados to kiwis.

Along with recent stresses on the bees themselves, as well as on an industry increasingly under consolidation, some fear this disorder may force a breaking point for even large beekeepers.

A Cornell University study has estimated that honeybees annually pollinate more than $14 billion worth of seeds and crops in the United States, mostly fruits, vegetables and nuts. “Every third bite we consume in our diet is dependent on a honeybee to pollinate that food,” said Zac Browning, vice president of the American Beekeeping Federation.

The bee losses are ranging from 30 to 60 percent on the West Coast, with some beekeepers on the East Coast and in Texas reporting losses of more than 70 percent; beekeepers consider a loss of up to 20 percent in the offseason to be normal.

Beekeepers are the nomads of the agriculture world, working in obscurity in their white protective suits and frequently trekking around the country with their insects packed into 18-wheelers, looking for pollination work.

Once the domain of hobbyists with a handful of backyard hives, beekeeping has become increasingly commercial and consolidated. Over the last two decades, the number of beehives, now estimated by the Agriculture Department to be 2.4 million, has dropped by a quarter and the number of beekeepers by half.

Pressure has been building on the bee industry. The costs to maintain hives, also known as colonies, are rising along with the strain on bees of being bred to pollinate rather than just make honey. And beekeepers are losing out to suburban sprawl in their quest for spots where bees can forage for nectar to stay healthy and strong during the pollination season.

“There are less beekeepers, less bees, yet more crops to pollinate,” Mr. Browning said. “While this sounds sweet for the bee business, with so much added loss and expense due to disease, pests and higher equipment costs, profitability is actually falling.”

Some 15 worried beekeepers convened in Florida this month to brainstorm with researchers how to cope with the extensive bee losses. Investigators are exploring a range of theories, including viruses, a fungus and poor bee nutrition.

They are also studying a group of pesticides that were banned in some European countries to see if they are somehow affecting bees’ innate ability to find their way back home.

It could just be that the bees are stressed out. Bees are being raised to survive a shorter offseason, to be ready to pollinate once the almond bloom begins in February. That has most likely lowered their immunity to viruses.

Mites have also damaged bee colonies, and the insecticides used to try to kill mites are harming the ability of queen bees to spawn as many worker bees. The queens are living half as long as they did just a few years ago.

Researchers are also concerned that the willingness of beekeepers to truck their colonies from coast to coast could be adding to bees’ stress, helping to spread viruses and mites and otherwise accelerating whatever is afflicting them.

Dennis van Engelsdorp, a bee specialist with the state of Pennsylvania who is part of the team studying the bee colony collapses, said the “strong immune suppression” investigators have observed “could be the AIDS of the bee industry,” making bees more susceptible to other diseases that eventually kill them off.

Growers have tried before to do without bees. In past decades, they have used everything from giant blowers to helicopters to mortar shells to try to spread pollen across the plants. More recently researchers have been trying to develop “self-compatible” almond trees that will require fewer bees. One company is even trying to commercialize the blue orchard bee, which is virtually stingless and works at colder temperatures than the honeybee.

Beekeepers have endured two major mite infestations since the 1980s, which felled many hobbyist beekeepers, and three cases of unexplained disappearing disorders as far back as 1894. But those episodes were confined to small areas, Mr. van Engelsdorp said.

Today the industry is in a weaker position to deal with new stresses. A flood of imported honey from China and Argentina has depressed honey prices and put more pressure on beekeepers to take to the road in search of pollination contracts. Beekeepers are trucking tens of billions of bees around the country every year.

California’s almond crop, by far the biggest in the world, now draws more than half of the country’s bee colonies in February. The crop has been both a boon to commercial beekeeping and a burden, as pressure mounts for the industry to fill growing demand. Now spread over 580,000 acres stretched across 300 miles of California’s Central Valley, the crop is expected to grow to 680,000 acres by 2010.

Beekeepers now earn many times more renting their bees out to pollinate crops than in producing honey. Two years ago a lack of bees for the California almond crop caused bee rental prices to jump, drawing beekeepers from the East Coast.

This year the price for a bee colony is about $135, up from $55 in 2004, said Joe Traynor, a bee broker in Bakersfield, Calif.

A typical bee colony ranges from 15,000 to 30,000 bees. But beekeepers’ costs are also on the rise. In the past decade, fuel, equipment and even bee boxes have doubled and tripled in price.

The cost to control mites has also risen, along with the price of queen bees, which cost about $15 each, up from $10 three years ago.

To give bees energy while they are pollinating, beekeepers now feed them protein supplements and a liquid mix of sucrose and corn syrup carried in tanker-sized trucks costing $12,000 per load. Over all, Mr. Bradshaw figures, in recent years he has spent $145 a hive annually to keep his bees alive, for a profit of about $11 a hive, not including labor expenses. The last three years his net income has averaged $30,000 a year from his 4,200 bee colonies, he said.

“A couple of farmers have asked me, ‘Why are you doing this?’ ” Mr. Bradshaw said. “I ask myself the same thing. But it is a job I like. It is a lifestyle. I work with my dad every day. And now my son is starting to work with us.”


Almonds fetch the highest prices for bees, but if there aren’t enough bees to go around, some growers may be forced to seek alternatives to bees or change their variety of trees.

“It would be nice to know that we have a dependable source of honey bees,” said Martin Hein, an almond grower based in Visalia. “But at this point I don’t know that we have that for the amount of acres we have got.”

To cope with the losses, beekeepers have been scouring elsewhere for bees to fulfill their contracts with growers. Lance Sundberg, a beekeeper from Columbus, Mont., said he spent $150,000 in the last two weeks buying 1,000 packages of bees — amounting to 14 million bees — from Australia.

He is hoping the Aussie bees will help offset the loss of one-third of the 7,600 hives he manages in six states. “The fear is that when we mix the bees the die-offs will continue to occur,” Mr. Sundberg said.

Migratory beekeeping is a lonely life that many compare to truck driving. Mr. Sundberg spends more than half the year driving 20 truckloads of bees around the country. In Terra Bella, an hour south of Visalia, Jack Brumley grimaced from inside his equipment shed as he watched Rosa Patiño use a flat tool to scrape dried honey from dozens of beehive frames that once held bees. Some 2,000 empty boxes — which once held one-third of his total hives — were stacked to the roof.

Beekeepers must often plead with landowners to allow bees to be placed on their land to forage for nectar. One large citrus grower has pushed for California to institute a “no-fly zone” for bees of at least two miles to prevent them from pollinating a seedless form of Mandarin orange.

But the quality of forage might make a difference. Last week Mr. Bradshaw used a forklift to remove some of his bee colonies from a spot across a riverbed from orange groves. Only three of the 64 colonies there have died or disappeared.

“It will probably take me two to three more years to get back up,” he said. “Unless I spend gobs of money I don’t have.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/business/27bees.html?ex=1330232400&en=3aaa0148837b8977&ei=5088

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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:21 AM
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28. It does seem that stress is a possible exacerbating cause.
Perhaps the bees are not suited to industrial methods and breeding pressures. Maybe it's best to go back to hobby-type beekeeping, local and low-stress?

Good article, thanks.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:56 AM
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3. What about bumblebees?
Are they still around at all?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:06 AM
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5. Plenty of bumble bees and carpenter bees here in the southeast.
Also, plenty of yellow jackets and wasps. Now if only Aunt Bea was still around to take care of Barney Bush.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:56 AM
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12. the bees are vanishing in 22 states

Mysterious disappearance of US bees creating a buzz by Jean-Louis Santini
Fri Apr 6, 10:54 PM ET

US beekeepers have been stung in recent months by the mysterious disappearance of millions of bees threatening honey supplies as well as crops which depend on the insects for pollination.

Bee numbers on parts of the east coast and in Texas have fallen by more than 70 percent, while California has seen colonies drop by 30 to 60 percent.

According to estimates from the US Department of Agriculture, bees are vanishing across a total of 22 states, and for the time being no one really knows why.

"Approximately 40 percent of my 2,000 colonies are currently dead and this is the greatest winter colony mortality I have ever experienced in my 30 years of beekeeping," apiarist Gene Brandi, from the California State Beekeepers Association, told Congress recently.

It is normal for hives to see populations fall by some 20 percent during the winter, but the sharp loss of bees is causing concern, especially as domestic US bee colonies have been steadily decreasing since 1980.

There are some 2.4 million professional hives in the country, according to the Agriculture Department, 25 percent fewer than at the start of the 1980s.

And the number of beekeepers has halved.

The situation is so bad, that beekeepers are now calling for some kind of government intervention, warning the flight of the bees could be catastrophic for crop growers.

Domestic bees are essential for pollinating some 90 varieties of vegetables and fruits, such as apples, avocados, and blueberries and cherries.

"The pollination work of honey bees increases the yield and quality of United States crops by approximately 15 billion dollars annually including six billion in California," Brandi said.

California's almond industry alone contributes two billion dollars to the local economy, and depends on 1.4 million bees which are brought from around the US every year to help pollinate the trees, he added.

The phenomenon now being witnessed across the United States has been dubbed "colony collapse disorder," or CCD, by scientists as they seek to explain what is causing the bees to literally disappear in droves.

The usual suspects to which bees are known to be vulnerable such as the varroa mite, an external parasite which attacks honey bees and which can wipe out a hive, appear not to be the main cause.

"CCD is associated with unique symptoms, not seen in normal collapses associated with varroa mites and honey bee viruses or in colony deaths due to winter kill," entomologist Diana Cox-Foster told the Congress committee.

In cases of colony collapse disorder, flourishing hives are suddenly depopulated leaving few, if any, surviving bees behind.

The queen bee, which is the only one in the hive allowed to reproduce, is found with just a handful of young worker bees and a reserve of food.

Curiously though no dead bees are found either inside or outside the hive.

The fact that other bees or parasites seem to shun the emptied hives raises suspicions that some kind of toxin or chemical is keeping the insects away, Cox-Foster said.

Those bees found in such devastated colonies also all seem to be infected with multiple micro-organisms, many of which are known to be behind stress-related illness in bees.

Scientists working to unravel the mysteries behind CCD believe a new pathogen may be the cause, or a new kind of chemical product which could be weakening the insects' immune systems.

The finger of suspicion is being pointed at agriculture pesticides such as the widely-used neonicotinoides, which are already known to be poisonous to bees.

France saw a huge fall in its bee population in the 1990s, blamed on the insecticide Gaucho which has now been banned in the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070407/ts_alt_afp/sciencenaturebeesus_070407020928

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:04 AM
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24. Is it possible that global warming is responsible? nt
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:01 AM
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27. "the number of beekeepers has halved"... The mystery deepens...Beekeepers disappearing too...UFOs?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:33 AM
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29. ufos...hehe...but i don't think so. however, you will get an A for
reading the article
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:03 AM
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14. Do all of those stingy thingies pollinate plants? Do we still have
some hope left that we'll be able to continue eating food in the future?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:16 AM
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16. Yes they do.
Also, the wind, birds, and other insects pollinate plants.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 10:07 AM
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25. I don't know where you live but we saw a huge die-off of bees about 3 years ago
here on our land in Florida. We had a large Live Oak tree with an enormous hive that was here for the previous nine years. Because we are sensitized to toxic chemicals because of pesticide exposures some years back--- we get neurological symptoms when the air is toxic. We had begun to notice that the air was becoming more toxic than usual and this went on for a couple of months. One day it was especially bad and we had severe neurological problems that included disorientation, difficulty concentrating, muscle and joint pain, headaches, and dry-mouth. Please note that these symptoms are similar to what people experience as side effects when taking prescription drugs -- except that we don't take any. We are sensitized to neurotoxins and have become walking/talking neurotoxin detectors.

It's the pesticides that are doing this to the bees. Toxicants hurt the immune systems of all living critters making them more vulnerable to infection, parasites, fungi, autoimmune disease, etc. The fact that bees are highly sensitive to pesticides is well known in the scientific / entomology community but almost nobody in the group wants to say the word "pesticides" because their university departments are funded by the chemical / pharmaceutical companies.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:57 AM
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4. K&R.nt
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liberallady Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:11 AM
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6. Scarier than the bees disappear is...
I can tell you that there is one thing that is even scarier than the bees disappearing. It is the alarming number of people that either do not buy it, do not care about it or do know about it! When my son asked his teacher what she thought about the issue, she said she did not know anything about it but that she would look into it and get back with him. The next day, she told my son not to believe everything he sees or hears and that the story is most likely not true and has no real scientific support! We are doomed.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:59 AM
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13. welcome to du. maybe print up some articles on this subject
here's a google link for bees disappearing
http://www.google.com/search?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=bees+disappearing&spell=1

and go talk to the teacher and ask her what the fuck has to happen before she isn't afraid to discuss a subject of great importance and consequence.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 08:03 AM
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21. it is so unfortunate that with all this information people do not want
to believe it, all in denial, and totally ignorant of the facts.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 08:57 AM
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22. But I bet she knew about Alec Baldwin calling his daughter a "thoughtless little pig."
And I bet she believes that Saddam had WMDs and that he was responsible for the attacks of 9/11. And I bet she believes that Global Warming is nothing more than a hoax/myth, perpetuated by those wacky treehuggers. :banghead: :argh:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:08 PM
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32. This is called "skepticism" it's a good thing.
Especially when confronted with nonsense like: "We are doomed."
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:32 AM
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7. Thanks for this ... the people laughing will find out how serious this is soon enough
Especially when it starts impacting the food supply.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:38 AM
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8. I hope they come back
I took our mini-Schnauzer for a walk around our yard earlier, and everything that is flowering, has honeybees. I said a prayer of thanks. My antique roses are blooming their little hearts out, and the bees have been busily carrying their pollen from one rose bush to another. We also have several several ligustrums(sp?) planted under the windows on the west side of our home, and there are a huge number of bees on those shrubs.

You have no idea what a relief it was to me to see, and hear, those bees. It means that there is hope. I refuse to se chemicals to kill or control insects. If you use organic methods, you might lose a plant ever so seldom, but the rewards are great.


Sometimes, you have to have to have patience for a year or two. You have to be willing to introduce pest control by non-chemical methods. Spray the aphids off our your rose bushes, but don't try to kill them using something that will kill their natural predators. Do a search on organic gardening, if you're curious. If you can restore the balance of nature, you can end up with beautiful flower beds.

Try to select plants suitable for where you live. It might be that I have large numbers of honeybees, since I live in South Texas. Maybe part of the disappearance is related to Global climate change, I don't know. All I know is that the honeybees are more than welcome in our yard, and we will never do anything to discourage them.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:41 AM
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9. :-|
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:55 AM
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11. Lots of bees around here, thank goodness, but this is rather scary. n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:05 AM
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15. good topic. very scary.
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:10 AM
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17. Very scary indeed.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:11 AM
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18. "When something as basic as bees vanishes from the scene as quickly as this . . .
you know we're in Big Trouble." . . .

seeing truth stated so succinctly is a rare occurance in American "journalism" these days . . . nice to see that it still happen occasionally -- even though the substance of this particular truth is indeed terrifying . . .
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:33 AM
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19. The latest theory on the bees' disappearance. (rare Asian microbe mutated)
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/26/MNGK7PFOMS1.DTL

UCSF scientist tracks down suspect in honeybee deaths
Sabin Russell, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, April 26, 2007

A UCSF researcher who found the SARS virus in 2003 and later won a MacArthur Foundation "genius grant" for his work thinks he has discovered a culprit in the alarming deaths of honeybees across the United States.

Tests of genetic material taken from a "collapsed colony" in Merced County point to a once-rare microbe that previously affected only Asian bees but might have evolved into a strain lethal to those in Europe and the United States, biochemist Joe DeRisi said Wednesday.

DeRisi said tests conducted on material from dead bees at his Mission Bay lab found genes of the single-celled, spore-producing parasite Nosema ceranae, which researchers in Spain have recently shown is capable of wiping out a beehive.

"It is wise to strike a conservative note, because this is early data, but it is interesting,'' he said.

Government scientists who have been tracking the phenomenon they call Colony Collapse Disorder were skeptical, however, saying the parasite had been an early suspect in the bee die-off but that they had concluded it probably was not responsible.

With a mounting sense of urgency, agricultural scientists are trying to find out just what has caused the disappearance of as much as a quarter of the nation's 2.4 million honeybee colonies since November, when the die-off was first observed by a Pennsylvania beekeeper.
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/26/MNGK7PFOMS1.DTL

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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:57 AM
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20. this sucks, chances are these bees are toast. What did the plant do
to deserve us, we are the worst thing to happen in a while. Someone needs to start a panic about this.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:03 AM
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23. If the bees die, doesn't every pollinated plant die too?
That's really, really scary.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 10:19 AM
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26. Honey bees aren't the only pollinators
If the honey bees ever do die off, another pollinator will more than likely fill it's niche. Flowers are provide a source of food, and in nature, some animal will take advantage of it. Honey bees aren't native to the Americas, and many of our crops flourished for thousands of years without the aid of them.

CCD is something to be concerned about, but it doesn't mean the end of mankind. The worst case scenario would be no honey.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:44 AM
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30. So let's let big business keep polluting and killing off the bees...no worries.
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 11:44 AM by TheGoldenRule
Another of your posts that make me want to :puke:
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:58 PM
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33. There were native bees here before honeybees were introduced.
Mason Bees and Horn Faced Bees are excellent examples of native bee species that were here prior to the introduction of the Honeybee. The problem with those species is that they tend to be solitary and don't live in hives like honeybees do. This makes it extremely hard for farmers to transport them between orchards and fields for pollination. If you release 10,000 mason bees next to a strawberry field, they will fly out, pollinate the field, and then fly away. You won't have any bees left for the next field up the street, or the orchard across the road.

This is why honeybees are so important to agriculture. They're the only bee species that can be controlled and transported (the only one we want anyway...Africanized bees are also transportable, but they're apparently succumbing to the same thing killing of European Honeybees).
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 01:06 PM
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31. Deny, deny, deny -- because profits may suffer and we might lose our funding

The timidity of university researchers who are "investigating" Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) is understandable. Though they are aware that bees are highly susceptible to toxics they tend to ignore that possibility because they typically find themselves under the thumb of department heads who are afraid of losing funding -- from the very industry that creates these chemicals.

That is one of the biggest problems in research today --the huge power and clout of the chem/pharm industry that has corrupted science and medicine to a frightening degree.

Even the Congressional Research Service reeks of timidity in tone and timing as it walks on eggs to avoid the topic of pesticides. It waits until page 11 of this 13 page report before it limply mentions the possibility of neurotoxic pesticides as being a cause of CCD --but dilutes it by calling the idea "controversial". This is outrageous because pesticides are toxic to bees, and some are highly toxic to the. The poor bees have NEVER been tested in an environment for chronic, low level exposure -- and that is at least one positive part of this report that it actually mentions this.

Pathetic however is the mention of only one bype of pesticides as being toxic to bees -- leaving out other classes that are well known to be "highly toxic to bees" -- pesticides such as the widely used organophosphate and pyrethroid pesticides -- are two examples.

Here's a link to the wimpy Congressional Research Service report and an excerpt:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33938.pdf



Recent (Mar, 2007) from Congressional Research Service

Of the possible causes of CCD being examined, one that has become the subject
of debate is whether certain chemicals or combinations of chemicals could be
contributing to CCD, including some pesticides and possibly some fungicides.

One class of insecticide being studied are neonicotinoids, which contain the active
ingredient imidacloprid, and similar other chemicals, such as clothianidin and
thiamethoxam.

Honey bees are thought possibly to be affected by such chemicals, which are known
to work their way through the plant up into the flowers and leave residues in the
nectar and pollen.

The scientists studying CCD note that the doses taken up by bees are not lethal,
but they are concerned about possible chronic problems caused by long-term exposure.

As noted by the NRC, some studies report sublethal effects of pesticides on bee
foraging behavior that may impair the navigational and foraging abilities of honey
bees.23

Concerns about imidacloprid, as reported by beekeeping associations in the United
Kingdom and France24 and by some U.S. beekeepers,25 have focused on its potential
to affect complex behaviors in insects, including flight, navigation, olfactory
memory, recruitment, foraging, and coordination.

However, the NRC and some scientists who study CCD note there is conflicting
information about the effect of these pesticides on honey bees.

Still, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has identified some of these
chemicals as highly toxic to honey bees,26 and use of some of these pesticides
has reportedly been discontinued in parts of Europe because of their potential
effects on pollinators.27

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