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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 10:54 PM
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The Truth About the Work of Dr. Tiller

By Ethel Peterson
Advocacy | February 5, 2010

DODGE CITY, Kan. - I was moved to write this article after reading the fascinating one concerning third trimester abortions and the flood of comments that followed. It made me think that there are many facts still not revealed about what happens in these cases. My knowledge comes from the time I visited Dr. Tiller's clinic as a new State Representative in the Kansas House. We had been invited, if we were interested in coming to Wichita, to learn what really happens there. I sent in my RSVP and arrived at the gate to present my ID. Dr. Tiller had been shot in the arm previously, so there was, already, a tall fence--a barricade, really, around the clinic. I drove my car to the gate and the guard at the gate allowed me to drive into the compound. There were protesters across the street, holding signs.

I parked my car and was welcomed into the clinic by an attendant, who explained the procedure we would follow. I was allowed to pick a client's case, without a name. It was a mother who had allowed her case to be included so that I might be able to "follow the case along." Then I was introduced to Dr. Tiller. He proceeded to explain the initial process of a client just arriving. He encouraged me to ask any questions along the way. I had lots of them, and he answered every one fully and completely. "My client" had been a young married woman who had learned near the end of her fifth month of pregnancy that there was something terribly wrong with her baby. She lived in the Southern US and had been very uncomfortable with the summer heat and reasoned that was why she had been feeling worse lately. This was her first pregnancy. The doctor immediately sent her to another doctor for consultation and they then sent her to a specialist.

That specialist ran tests and consulted yet another authority. By that time she was well into her sixth month. At last they came to the ghastly decision that her baby's brain was forming partially outside of its head. They were unsure if some other organs might also be forming outside the body.They did not believe the baby could live. The mother and her husband were devastated. This was a much-wanted baby! They talked with her parents. All were very opposed to abortion, but decided they probably had no choice. By the time they had made the decision, she was in her seventh month. They went to their doctor with their decision. He informed them that their state law did not allow third term abortions. He could not perform one.

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On that day, they started the process of birthing, but the baby was, of course, born dead. It had suffered no pain. That was the reason for the shots. After the baby was born, the doctor took the child and laid it in the mother's arms. Dr. Tiller presented her with a tiny receiving blanket to wrap the baby in. Using a Polaroid camera, he took a picture of the baby, and one of the mother holding the baby and gave them to her. He had asked them ahead of time of their religious preference, and if they had requested it, he would have had a minister present for a brief service there. As it was, the father said a prayer, and it was over.

Dr. Tiller told me that he had a copy of that baby's picture and that he would show it to me, if I wanted to see it. He warned me that it was not a pleasant thing to see. I asked to look at it. Then he said, "Can you guess what the mother said when she saw the baby?" I couldn't. He told me the mother said quite breathlessly, "Isn't she beautiful?! And look at her tiny little hands. They are perfect." Dr. Tiller's eyes were moist as he said to me, "They all do that. No mother ever sees the awfulness. They all see the beauty! That's the reason I can do this work."

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George Tiller's favorite quote was "Trust Women." I think he was right. If you want to end abortions, do the many things we need to do to end the reasons. Provide good solid sex education if your concern is the teens possibly becoming sexually active too early or without any sense of responsibility. But let's quit acting like every pregnant women is just an over-sexed teenager who doesn't know enough to make her own decisions.

This isn't what the anti-abortion folks think, and I understand that. What I don't understand is how anybody in the world can think it is right to walk into a church and shoot a man in the forehead at point-blank range. Roeder thought he shot a baby-killer. He shot a good, Christian man, who was a husband, father, grandfather, friend, and a man of great courage. There are other abortion doctors who have to live in fear. If they are as good-hearted and decent as Dr. Tiller, they will probably continue to work and do their best. I recently received a communication from Julie Burkhart, who worked in Tiller's clinic. She has started an organization dedicated to protecting the lives of other abortion providers in the US. She calls the organization, "Trust Women." How appropriate. I hope we all do!

http://www.kansasfreepress.com/2010/02/the-truth-about-the-work-of-dr-tiller.html
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 10:56 PM
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1. Proud to be the first K&R
:kick:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 10:58 PM
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2. This is the most beautiful tribute to Dr. Tiller I have read so far
It brought more than a few tears to my eyes.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:11 PM
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7. Just another recognition of the loss for all women
how anyone could think Roeder did "gods work" is beyond me!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:00 PM
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3. Proud to send this to The Greatest Page...
:kick:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:01 PM
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4. Dr Tiller was a great hero......
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:02 PM
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5. k and r--thank you so much for sharing this with us.
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Guilded Lilly Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:07 PM
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6. The decency and humanity of Dr. TIller
is so obvious.


I tear up and say a deep prayer for his family and all whose lives the Dr. touched.

TRUST WOMEN.
Trust women.
So simple. So true.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:11 PM
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8. Great article. Thanks!
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:14 PM
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9. Thanks for a very powerful article. "Trust Women" would be a GREAT facebook group
And it would be a great way to spread awareness.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:23 PM
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11. that is a very good idea.
If you build it, they will join, myself included.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:25 PM
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12. That's an excellent idea
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:30 PM
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13. if you build that group send me an invite
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:38 PM
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47. Here
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 07:56 PM
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55. I joined
I'm Caroline O with the baby pic
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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:48 PM
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19. Yes, it would. I use it as my sig line on the various forums I belong to..
Edited on Fri Feb-05-10 11:50 PM by left coaster
And thanks to proud2BlibKansan for posting this article.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:32 PM
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39. Do you know how to create a group on FB?
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 04:33 PM by proud2BlibKansan
I can't find it. I have created groups before but they changed the website. I went to the FAQ page and it says to go to the Groups application on the bottom left of the home page. But there is NOTHING on the bottom left of my homepage. When I click on Groups (on the upper left) there is no place that says 'Create a group'. :shrug:
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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-08-10 11:52 AM
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61. I apologize for not responding until now..
I just caught your question.. and I think someone else already has the FB page going. :)
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:12 PM
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35. I'll join that FB group.
good idea.

far too much disrespect of women in this world.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:47 PM
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41. someone started it- I just found it
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:05 PM
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44. I just joined. Under real name though.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:38 PM
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46. Hmm real name eh?
Me too. LOL
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 07:53 PM
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54. I looked but how do I join? I'm on Facebook. Thanks. nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:15 PM
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59. There should be a box at the upper right that says 'JOIN GROUP'
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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-08-10 11:57 AM
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62. Yes, I just joined as well.. and thank you to the person who started it... nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:16 PM
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10. Thanks again, Mr. Roeder, and your shitpoke friends
Rot in jail for a long, long time.
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invisible Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:40 PM
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14. Thank you.
Thank you.
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invisible Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 01:38 PM
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28. Life is a gift, not an obligation.
The term “pro-life” in reference to anti-abortion rights activists is entirely a misnomer. What the pro-“life” regime refuses to acknowledge is that life is a gift, not an obligation. No one is obligated to reproduce. No one should be forced to give birth. A person is no more obligated to reproduce than a person is obligated to donate a kidney. A more accurate description of the pro-“life” activists would be “forced birth” or “forced reproduction”.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:42 PM
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15. Thanks for posting this.
When I was much younger, I saw the whole issue of abortion in such simplistic terms. Back then I did not understand what sorts of painful decisions women might be making. I'm afraid many people in the U.S. still don't consider the whole picture.

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:42 PM
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16. I'm a cynical old bastard
but that article put a big lump in my throat.

K 'n' R big time
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 08:54 AM
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22. Hey me too
It's a very touching piece.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:43 PM
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17. kick. eom
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:47 PM
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18. K&R
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:57 PM
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20. Another K&R!
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:46 AM
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21. Kick (&R) for us late-nighters and west coasters.
Heart wrenching loss for humanity. THIS man was truly human, unlike those who bury girls for talking to boys, shun those in need, etc. The American Taliban is live and well, folks. They're here and we need to worry.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:35 AM
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23. They are talibornagains
and are without a doubt the most evil group in America today.
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:20 AM
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24. Thank you for sharing this.
If anyone starts that facebook group send me an invite too please!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:40 PM
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30. I will start it if no one else does
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:39 PM
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48. Here
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:50 AM
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25. The right to a late term abortion is merely the right to self-defense ...
and we are depriving women of that right --

The GOP has used a battering ram of lies and ignorance to stop these most necessary

abortions --



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SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:27 PM
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26. Just wow. Thank you for good truth posting. nt
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:40 PM
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27. No one gets a late-term abortion for the sake of convenience
The right simply refuses to understand that, as the article says, things can go horribly wrong. If a woman has carried a baby that long, it's because she wanted it. The irony here is that, in this specific case and I'm sure in many others, if not for the "All abortion is wrong" knee-jerk reaction seen in so many, this woman probably would have gotten an abortion before it was necessary for her to birth a dead baby.

They will never listen. We should trust women to the right to terminate pregnancies for whatever reason they choose, because protecting the rights of women who have abortions for reasons we may find frivolous protects the rights of so many more.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:02 PM
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29. I hope this pierces the veil of ignorance of at least one supposed "right-to-life" person.
All these "right-to-life" protests are so filled with irrational viscousness, completely outside the reality of what takes place in abortion clinics. Do they ever stop to sincerely ask why? It's so obvious that the protesters do not. From everything I've read about Dr. Tiller, he was a brave soul, a doctor in the truest sense. We are a much poorer culture without him.

Great quote: Trust Women.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 02:45 PM
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31. thank you for posting this. nt
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 03:12 PM
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32. George Tiller was a truly good man
With courage and faith to do the right thing. I remember another post on this subject, where the mother thanked Dr Tiller for restoring the dignity of her family, and preserving their faith.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 03:19 PM
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33. Trust women
Thank you Dr Tiller.





Recommended.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 03:21 PM
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34. big kick and rec
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:13 PM
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36. KnR and bookmarked
very powerful article
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:18 PM
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37. Thank you for posting this.
I would join a FB group too. Let me know if you start one up.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:40 PM
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49. Here
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 08:33 PM
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57. I'm in.
Lots of people there. Nice going!
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left coaster Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-09-10 09:31 PM
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63. I invited many of my FB friends to join.. and they did! nt
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undergroundnomore Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:21 PM
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38. One sick Bastard
can take the life of one person who touched the lives of so many women. Is there no justice? Pro-life ... Bull Shit. If he really was pro-life why did he take the life of Dr. Tiller?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:42 PM
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40. That "client's" story is very similar to the story of a friend of mine.
She, too, would never have considered abortion before they found out that something was terribly wrong with her baby. I know the anguish this woman went through in deciding to have an abortion, especially a late-term abortion. For anybody to think that this is something a woman would seek out like they would seek out a new dress is beyond the pale.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:45 PM
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51. A woman came to our vigil when Tiller died and told the most horrible story
In the 1950s she was 6 months pregnant and her baby died. Her doctor told her she needed an abortion but it was illegal. So she had to carry that baby for 3 months while it did what dead bodies do, inside her womb. She ended up almost dying from infection. They treated the infection but STILL would not abort her baby. By the time her baby was 'born' it had so thoroughly poisoned her that she was infertile and never had any other children.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:54 PM
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42. THE FACEBOOK GROUP IS UP:
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 05:12 PM
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43. From today's Boston Globe
The clinic, Women’s Health Services, will move to 111 Harvard St. near Brookline Village after providing gynecological care, including abortions, at 822 Boylston St., also known as Route 9, in Chestnut Hill for 17 years.

Antiabortion protestors held multiple demonstrations at the Harvard Street location and at Town Hall last spring when Women’s Health Services announced its plan to relocate. The protests worried some neighbors, who in July filed a lawsuit against the town seeking to prevent the clinic from relocating to the area.

The lawsuit says that abortion protestors frightened and disturbed some of the “approximately 900 children’’ in prekindergarten through Grade 8 that use nearby schools. As many as 50 people participated in one protest, including one dressed in a Grim Reaper costume, opponents have said.


Boston Globe

Who funds these creeps? This is straight-up terrorism and it is up to those of us who believe women should keep their right to choice to stand up to these thugs and protect the few clinics we have left. With the Supreme Court signaling that they don't give a damn about precedent, Roe v. Wade is in danger of being overturned. It has already been whittled down to bare bones. We have to mobilize now.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:27 PM
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45. Thank you for sharing this n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:41 PM
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50. No, no, no, women have perfectly healthy lat-term fetuses killed all of the time.
Don't you know women ARE like that? That's why we need laws to control them.






Just in case . . .
:sarcasm:
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 06:47 PM
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52. Had one of these in our extended family....
... Same deal with the mother seeing the pictures. They thought the baby(?) was beautiful.

Recommended.. as if this beautiful post needs more recs.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 07:01 PM
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53. Kick & Rec # 151 For Dr. Tiller
The world is not the same without him.:(
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:18 PM
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60. Hey Ding! Be sure and join our Facebook group!
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 08:08 PM
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56. I wish there were more like Dr. Tiller
He was an example of how a true doctor is supposed to practice.

Thank for posting such a good and important article!

:kick: & R!

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 09:47 PM
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58. I've taken care of many women who had stillborn babies
The medicalized term is IUFD (Intrauterine fetal demise). Every mother found the beauty in her child, no matter how awful they might have looked to others. I can only barely imagine the pain for any woman facing this horrible situation.
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