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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:53 PM
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Anyone watch the movie "The Best Years of Our Lives" on TMC last night?
I just watched it again. The first time I saw it was in my immediate post-college years, 1983, when the economy was pretty damn bad too, and it's no less relevant to me today than it was then.

At that time I was a frustrated young person with a bachelor's who was afraid no one would hire me for a job ever because I lacked experience, and I lacked experience because I couldn't get a job. I could relate so well to Fred Derry's character. He used to be a soda jerk, but in the Air Force during World War II he learned to drop bombs cleanly and accurately and received medals for meritorious service. But he comes home to find out that the old drugstore he worked for has been sold to a chain and they have no interest in hiring him for a job higher up the corporate ladder than his old one because he didn't work during the war in areas like "procurement." They have no use for a guy who "just dropped bombs." So he ends up working a floor job that requires him to go back to the soda fountain part time, and ends up losing it after fighting with an opinionated dickhead he overhears calling his service in the war a waste because he was "fighting the wrong enemy."

Jobless and frustrated and with his selfish, frivolous wife having dumped him after he proved to be a stateside "flop," he makes plans to leave town and start over--anywhere. It's only when he comes across a huge graveyard of old fighter planes at the airport that his plans change. He learns they're being converted into tract housing, and asks the man doing the work for a job. "Got any construction experience?" he's asked. "No, but in the Air Force I learned one thing," he says. "I learned how to learn." He gets an offer.

Then you have Al, the banker. He goes back to the savings and loan where he worked and gets a promotion that will involve approving loans to veterans. When he starts approving them, he's challenged as to whether he isn't taking chances with the bank's money. Luckily, he's a man of integrity and his war experience has taught him something, and he fights back, saying that yes, the bank IS taking a chance--on America's future.

I once watched it as a young person worried that I'd never get a job. Now I watch it as an older person with no job, afraid I'll never get another one (and I can't afford to retire). And I identify with the same things, and more. The bought-out employer that won't give Fred a chance at a better job than he once had because he doesn't have the right experience. That considers the experience he does have worthless. The current employees looking askance at him (he, who served their country) merely as someone who might steal their jobs. The way he has to sell himself to another employer by saying "No, I don't have experience, but I have learned how to learn." That employer takes a chance on him. How many did in 1983? How many do now? How many will say "You know how to learn; we trust that if we give you this job, you will learn it"?

And the bank scenes have resonance with me today that they didn't back then. Now, Al's savings and loan reminds me of the big banks of today. They both got help when they needed it (Al and his fellow vets were responsible for ensuring they even had a country left to operate in), but when it comes time for them to repay the favor by loosening their pursestrings, what happens? "Oh no, can't do that, too risky." Well, apparently coming up with imaginary financial instruments and speculating on them wasn't too risky. Oh, no, wait...

Really, this movie is a classic, and like It's a Wonderful Life, rather than seeming like a period piece about postwar America, it only gets more relevant as time goes on. It doesn't really matter whether or not you were ever in the service, or whether you've ever faced a disability like Homer's that makes you wonder whether the people you love can get past it and help you move on to live a happy and fulfilling life. If you've never taken time to watch it, you should. I only wish it were required viewing for our politicians. Because the things said in it about the attitudes of employers and banks are still relevant to this day...and not just for veterans, but for average Americans.

If they want the country to grow, they have to take a chance on us. They have to trust that the investment they make in us will pay dividends, rather than treating us all like greedy pigs who will just take what they offer and leave them emptyhanded. They need to have faith and trust in us. Because without us, they're going nowhere.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:03 PM
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1. Have seen it several times over the years.
Now it makes me sad for what we have lost.
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:05 PM
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2. i own it, it is a great movie
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:09 PM
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3. One of the best for so many reasons
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:09 PM
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4. It Beat Wonderful Life for Best Picture
It was a very popular movie after the war and won best picture, but has been forgotten by most people since then. I highly recommend it.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:11 PM
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5. Such a great movie.
nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:13 PM
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6. There's a great dolly zoom in that airplane graveyard scene.
Could have included that in my cinematography thread last night.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:16 PM
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7. I saw the movie many years ago, but if I recall correctly, that "opinionated dickhead"...
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 01:17 PM by KansDem
...an opinionated dickhead he overhears calling his service in the war a waste because he was "fighting the wrong enemy."

...was referring to those who made big bucks off the war.

Of course, that was tantamount to treason in 1946, but can't the same thing be said today?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:20 PM
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10. No, he was Bundt.
Nazi sympathizer. Had a swastika pin and everything.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 02:00 PM
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12. Sorry, that pin was an American flag...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq2huwJJTOQ&feature=related

You can see it at 0'56" and a clearer shot at 3'26".

He had it ripped off him and was beaten by saying the war was a result of "DC radicals." So much for free speech...
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 05:45 PM
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13. You obviously don't understand the First Amendment.
The government didn't beat up the guy, an indivdual did. The government couldn't do it because of the First Amendment. But the government could go after the guy who beat him up and charge him with assault.

In this fictional context, we're given to understand that nobody called the cops on the guy who administered the beating--but he did lose his job.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 05:58 PM
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15. Cool down, Berry
The guy who did the beating fought in WWII to uphold the First Amendment. For him to smack the guy down because he didn't like what he was saying is a little ironic, wouldn't you say?

And he resigned. True, he would have been fired--you can't pound a customer into a glass case and expect to retain your job. But he did resign.

And who were the "radicals in Washington?" Perhaps folks like Prescott Bush, grandfather of W, who financed Hitler and plotted to overthrow the Roosevelt Administration? You think maybe the two vets should have been pounding Prescott into a glass case?

This scene was "Hollywood" all the way...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 08:31 PM
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16. Not really.
I mean in the guy in WWII killed Nazis, and in the drug store he just punches one.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 08:47 PM
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17. You said he was wearing a swastika!
He was wearing an American flag pin and complaining about the “radicals in Washington.” How does this make him a Nazi?

Aren't we pretty much in agreement here that Bush lied us into war with Iraq to appease the neo-cons and enrich the MIC? Wouldn't you think the two vets in the movie would be punching out Bush or Cheney?

And why are you and Berry Cool "tag-teaming" these posts? :rofl:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 08:53 PM
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18. I concede I was wrong about the Swastika. But he's still a Nazi sympathizer.

"He was wearing an American flag pin and complaining about the “radicals in Washington.” How does this make him a Nazi?"

Because those "radicals" he's talking about are Harry Truman, new deal Democrats, "reds", "jews," and people who thought Nazis were bad guys.

That guy IS Prescott Bush.

"And why are you and Berry Cool "tag-teaming" these posts?"

1. You're paranoid.

2. You're wrong.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:18 PM
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8. Will DVR if it's on again. I watched Groundhog Day last night on Bravo and was appalled..
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 01:19 PM by tridim
at the editing for television. They cut out about 30 minutes right in the middle and thus completely ruined a beautiful film. It was insulting and a waste of time to watch the edited version.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:18 PM
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9. Damned good movie.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 01:23 PM
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11. Saw it for the 1st time last night. It was so starkly real that I couldn't sleep
for a long time. There were no rosy endings. There were just people who would still have to struggle even after something sort of good happened to them. Like getting a job, any job, to pay the bills. And like that one guy whose girl still loved him even though he came back from the war with no hands. No matter what, he still had no hands.

The movie didn't gloss over anything. It didn't pretend the American dream was ever real. Who was it real for, if not for heroes returning from WWII?
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 05:53 PM
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14. But here's the ironic thing. The American dream was more real for them than it is for us.
The returning vets got to go to college for free on the GI Bill. They DID eventually get trusted with new jobs and with loans. And they could still get a good manufacturing job that could support a family even without a college degree. And as a result, they built an amazing peacetime economy and made the United States second to none. They had a chance to do better than their parents did and leave something of value to their children.

Maybe that's what we have to remember--that it all looked gloomy for them once too, but they pulled out of it. Still, I wonder if it will be possible for us to do the same.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:46 AM
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19. I know what you mean. My sons have huge student loans but there
are no jobs. One went overseas to work. The other decided he had no choice but to do postgraduate work. He's piling on more loans but a regular college degree doesn't get you anything anymore. So...

:shrug:

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