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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:09 PM
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My favorite wingnut remailer has sent me this. Snopes didn't have anything on it. Somehow there's something not right about it. Tell me, with sources, please.

Consumers In Dark Over Risks Of New Light Bulbs
Joseph Farsh--World Net Daily Visit Author's Website


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April 24, 2007 Push for energy-saving fluorescents ignores mercury disposal hazards


WASHINGTON ­ Brandy Bridges heard the claims of government officials, environmentalists and retailers like Wal-Mart all pushing the idea of replacing incandescent light bulbs with energy-saving and money-saving compact fluorescent lamps.


So, last month, the Prospect, Maine, resident went out and bought two dozen CFLs and began installing them in her home. One broke. A month later, her daughter's bedroom remains sealed off with plastic like the site of a hazardous materials accident, while Bridges works on a way to pay off a $2,000 estimate by a company specializing in environmentally sound cleanups of the mercury inside the bulb.


With everyone from Al Gore to Wal-Mart to the Environmental Protection Agency promoting CFLs as the greatest thing since, well, the light bulb, consumers have been left in the dark about a problem they will all face eventually ­ how to get rid of the darn things when they burn out or, worse yet, break.


CFLs are all the rage. They are the spirally shaped, long-lasting bulbs everyone is being urged, cajoled and guilt-tripped into purchasing to replace Thomas Edison's incandescents, which are being compared to sports utility vehicles for their impracticality and energy inefficiency. However, there is no problem disposing of incandescents when their life is over. You can throw them in the trash can and they won't hurt the garbage collector. They won't leech deadly compounds into the air or water. They won't kill people working in the landfills.


The same cannot be said about the mercury-containing CFLs. They bear disposal warnings on the packaging. But with limited recycling prospects and the problems experienced by Brandy Bridges sure to be repeated millions of times, some think government, the green community and industry are putting the cart before the horse marketing the new technology so ferociously.


Consider her plight.


When the bulb she was installing in a ceiling fixture of her 7-year-old daughter's bedroom crashed to the floor and broke into the shag carpet, she wasn't sure what to do. Knowing about the danger of mercury, she called Home Depot, the retail outlet that sold her the bulbs.


According to the Ellison American, the store warned her not to vacuum the carpet and directed her to call the poison control hotline in Prospect, Maine. Poison control staffers suggested she call the Maine Center for Disease Control and Prevention and the Maine Department of Environmental Protection.


The latter sent over a specialist to test the air in her house for mercury levels. While the rest of the house was clear, the area of the accident was contaminated above the level considered safe. The specialist warned Bridges not to clean up the bulb and mercury powder by herself ­ recommending a local environmental cleanup firm.


That company estimated the cleanup cost, conservatively, at $2,000. And, no, her homeowners insurance won't cover the damage.


Since she could not afford the cleanup, Bridges has been forced to seal off her daughter's bedroom with plastic to avoid any dust blowing around. Not even the family pets are permitted in to the bedroom. Her daughter is forced to sleep downstairs in an overcrowded household.


She has continued to call public officials for help ­ her two U.S. senators included. So far, no one is beating down Bridges' door to help ­ not even Al Gore, whose Academy Award-winning movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," urges everyone to change to CFLs to save the planet from global warming.


Bridges is not alone.


Elizabeth Doermann of Vanderbilt, Tenn., had a similar experience. After her CFL bulb broke ­ because the cat knocked over a lamp ­ she didn't call Home Depot. Instead, she did what she had always done when old-fashioned incandescent bulbs had broken. She vacuumed up the mess.


Only then did she learn about the mercury hazard.


"If I had known it had mercury in it, I would have been a lot more careful," she told the Tennessean. "I wouldn't have vacuumed it up. That blew the mercury probably all through the house."


The warnings on the packages of some of the new bulbs are in fine print ­ hard to read. They are also voluntary, with many bulbs being sold and distributed with no disposal warnings at all.


Charmain Miles of Toronto, Canada, had another frightening experience with a CFL bulb.


Last month she smelled smoke on the second floor of her home, only to discover it was emanating from a new energy-efficient bulb.


"I was horrified," she told a local TV station. "I went through every place upstairs and took out every bulb."


The bulb had been placed in a track-lighting fixture. Though the bulb contained no warning about such fixtures, it turns out CFLs are not for use in track, recessed or dimmer fixtures.


And while the Consumers Council of Canada advises not to purchase any package of CFL bulbs that contains no instructions, the entire country is on a timetable to eliminate entirely the only alternative ­ the incandescent bulb.


In fact, practically the whole world ­ fearing global warming ­ is getting ready to ban the incandescent light bulb. It started in Cuba, moved to Venezuela, then Australia, Canada and the European Union. Now individual states in the U.S., including California, Connecticut, North Carolina and Rhode Island, are all in the process of legislating an end to Edison's greatest invention. Even local towns and cities are getting into the act.


The rap against the incandescent is that it uses more energy to produce light. Advocates of CFLs say they save money and energy by producing more light over more time for less money and less energy. They prefer to minimize concerns about cleanup and disposal, usually saying more needs to be done in the area of recycling.


But recycling experts say the solutions are at least five years away. Meanwhile, millions of consumers and green activists are being persuaded to make the switch.


"EPA currently doesn't provide a unified message to the public on what to do with fluorescent lamps once they are no longer used," admits a draft announcing plans for a pilot project by the agency.


Yet, the EPA's Energy Star program is one of the major forces behind the push for CFLs.


"Currently the need to recycle mercury in fluorescent lamps isn't mentioned on the Energy Star web page although they are working with the Office of Solid Waste to address this," the memo continues. "This may create confusion to the public about doing the right thing."


In fact, even the memo doesn't advise what the public should do.


No question about it, though. You as a consumer will be required to find certified waste recycling centers to turn in your dead and broken bulbs.


The American Lighting Association has some ideas. It has created a list of five considerations that should be weighed by all legislative bodies considering bans on incandescent bulbs.


The association of American manufacturers and retail outlets suggests any such legislation include the following provisions:


--a lumen per watt energy efficiency standard should be established rather than a ban on a specific type of product. It should include a 10-year goal


--halogen bulbs should be exempted


--incandescent bulbs 40 watts or less should be exempt


--collection and disposal plans for mercury-based CFLs should be made prior to any ban;


--persuade consumers through education rather than coerce them through limiting choices
Governments may indeed be promoting a kind of lighting that is itself nearly obsolete. Fluorescent lights are nothing new. They've been around for a long time. And while they may save money, some say the public hasn't chosen them for good reasons ­ including, but not limited to, the mercury issue.


Some experts predict the next generation of lighting, though, is LED lights. They are made from semiconductor materials that emit light when an electrical current flows through them. When this form of light takes over, all bulbs will be obsolete. Your wall tiles can light up. Curtains and drapes can light up. Even your dining room table could be made to light up ­ at exactly the level you want.


That's what is ahead in the next decade, according to some in the industry.


Nobody promoted CFLs as aggressively as IKEA. Not only does the retailer sell them, it also provides one of the very few recycling centers for the burned out bulbs. But even with a plethora of recycling centers, how will the public view the prospect of saving up dead bulbs and transporting them to recycling centers? And how about the danger of breakage in that process?


"The industry is currently aiming at totally mercury-free CFL lighting, but this is still five to 10 years away," admits IKEA.


Those who really care about this problem right now are those involved in the waste industry.


"Most agree more energy-efficient light bulbs can significantly curb air pollution, but fewer people are talking about how to deal with them at the end of their lives," explained a page 1 story in the April 2 issue of Waste News. It goes on to explain "there is no plan to address air and water pollution concerns that could develop if consumers improperly dispose of the mercury-containing devices."

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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:12 PM
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1. That's a lot of words.
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OlderButWiser Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:12 PM
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2. That's a lot of stuff to debunk
is there any particular part you would like us to start with?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:16 PM
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3. Sounds like crap to me
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:17 PM
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4. Is mercury from broken fluorescents dangerous?
Edited on Thu Apr-26-07 05:20 PM by babylonsister
(I think World Net Daily is a suspect site to begin with...)


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/fea/lifetravel/stories/DN-NHG_earthbulb_0427liv.ART.State.Edition1.154c020.html

Is mercury from broken fluorescents dangerous?

I was wondering if any of the manufacturers of compact fluorescent light bulbs have addressed the question of the impact of mercury released due to accidental breakage. I once dropped one of these bulbs, and it shattered on the concrete floor. I've wondered since then about what happens to the mercury released accidentally like this.

The government's Energy Star program says the amount of mercury in a compact fluorescent bulb is so small that there's no immediate health risk if it's cleaned up properly.

The program's advice is to sweep up the pieces – don't vacuum them – and put them into a sealed plastic bag. Wipe the area with a damp paper towel to pick up the fine shards and particles, and put the towel into the plastic bag as well. If weather permits, open the windows to ventilate the room. Treat the bag and its contents as hazardous waste, and recycle appropriately.

McClatchy-Tribune

Information Services

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http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/7174811.html

CFLs: Earth-friendly light bulbs

snip//

The bulbs are called compact florescent light bulbs or CFLs. While the light bulbs can help keep your energy bill low, Alt said they contain mercury in the base.

"They do release just the smallest amount of mercury which is of course not good for our lakes and streams and other living things," Alt said.

Alt said the bulbs are like any other florescent light bulb in your house, they now just come in different shapes and sizes.

To help keep them eco-friendly the bulbs shouldn't be thrown away in a regular garbage can.

"You want to take the same care that you do with oil or paint or any other waste that is not your normal everyday garbage," Alt said.

If a CFL breaks, Alt said you can clean it up like a regular light bulb because the mercury is contained in the base. Click here to read more about the health risks the mercury from CFLs can cause and for more information on the mercury contained in these bulbs, click here.

"To dispose of it you might put it in a brown paper sack and save it for your hazardous waste recycling program," Alt said.

She said most communities have a recycling day once a year where you can dispose the light bulbs and other non-traditional waste.

For more information on recycling your bulbs, you can log onto "http://www.lamprecycle.org/". For frequently asked questions on disposing of these bulbs, click here.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:21 PM
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5. Read these two posts
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:32 PM
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10. Both true and false - here's the Ellison American article quoted in the OP
It happened, but you don't need to call HAZMAT, it was an extreme over-reaction.

http://ellsworthmaine.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7446&Itemid=31

<snip>

Scott Cowger, director of outreach and communications for the DEP, said the DEP’s Web site (www.maine.gov/dep/) has guidelines for cleaning up a broken fluorescent bulb.

Cowger said it is important to ventilate the area by opening windows and not to vacuum the area of the broken bulb, which may spread the mercury. While wearing appropriate safety gloves, glasses, coveralls or old clothing and a dust mask, a person can remove the glass pieces and put them in a closed container.

The dust can be cleaned up using either two pieces of stiff paper, a disposal broom and dustpan or a commercial mercury spill kit. Afterward, the area should be patted with the sticky side of tape, according to the DEP Web site.

<snip>

Cowger said the instructions on the Web site are the same for if a mercury thermometer breaks. If a person breaks anything bigger than a thermometer, for example a thermostat, Cowger recommends calling a professional to clean up the spill.

<snip>

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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:24 PM
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6. Someone posted a thread on this story a couple of days ago.
The point was that the amount of mercury in CFLs was so small that it really shouldn't be disposal hazard. Mercury is found in some batteries and other products that are commonly thrown in the trash. I take my batteries to a hazardous waste disposal for our county. They should also handle CFLs. You can check the sanitation department website for a location.

Another point is that coal fired power plants release tons of mercury directly into the environment. Instead of being in a contained a landfill the mercury finds its way into our water supply. If you search for it, you can find a large list of fish that are unsafe for consumption due to high levels of mercury. The point being is that would it be better to have large amounts of mercury released due to burning coal are small amounts released through CFLs? It sounds to me like the CFLs are better. Especially if you send them to a hazardous waste site.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:24 PM
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7. Here ya go!
http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf

CFLs Responsible for Less Mercury than Incandescent Light Bulbs

Ironically, CFLs present an opportunity to prevent mercury
from entering our air, where it most affects our health. The
highest source of mercury in our air comes from burning
fossil fuels such as coal, the most common fuel used in the
U.S. to produce electricity. A CFL uses 75% less energy
than an incandescent light bulb and lasts at least 6 times
longer. A power plant will emit 10mg of mercury to produce
the electricity to run an incandescent bulb compared to only
2.4mg of mercury to run a CFL for the same time
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:28 PM
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8. one interesting little thing
Edited on Thu Apr-26-07 05:31 PM by iverglas
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55213
-- the actual article being emailed
Monday, April 16, 2007
ENVIRONETDAILY
Consumers in dark over risks of new light bulbs
Push for energy-saving fluorescents ignores mercury disposal hazards

And while the Consumers Council of Canada advises not to purchase any package of CFL bulbs that contains no instructions, the entire country is on a timetable to eliminate entirely the only alternative - the incandescent bulb.
-- linking to this:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54822
Posted: March 22, 2007
They're unwanted in Cuba, Hugo Chavez is trying to kick them out of Venezuela, Australia and Canada are on timetables to get rid of them ...

-- only problem being that Canada only announced that initiative ... today.


Thermometers contain mercury, too. When was the last time you saw a scare letter about thermometers?
(edit- oops, my mistake: not any more. For this reason! But a whole lot more mercury being involved, methinks.)

I think this is the important part:
Some experts predict the next generation of lighting, though, is LED lights. They are made from semiconductor materials that emit light when an electrical current flows through them. When this form of light takes over, all bulbs will be obsolete. Your wall tiles can light up. Curtains and drapes can light up. Even your dining room table could be made to light up ­ at exactly the level you want.

That's what is ahead in the next decade, according to some in the industry.

Nobody promoted CFLs as aggressively as IKEA. Not only does the retailer sell them, it also provides one of the very few recycling centers for the burned out bulbs. But even with a plethora of recycling centers, how will the public view the prospect of saving up dead bulbs and transporting them to recycling centers? And how about the danger of breakage in that process?

"The industry is currently aiming at totally mercury-free CFL lighting, but this is still five to 10 years away," admits IKEA.

I have an LED flashlight that operates by winding it up. Just imagine LED household lights that operated by charging every time you opened a door ...



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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 05:29 PM
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9. The news story was true - from the Bangor Daily News
Edited on Thu Apr-26-07 05:31 PM by jpak
The wing-nut that pasted this together conveniently forgot to include the portion of the BDN article that stated that all the "victim" had to do was cut up the *small* section of carpet that was potentially contaminated and place it in a garbage bag for disposal.

No $2000 hazmat cleanup required.

Many older CFL bulbs cannot be used in recessed sockets or with dimmers - this is clearly stated on the package if anyone cared to look.

Many newer CFL bulbs can be used in recessed sockets and with dimmers - this is also clearly stated on the package if anyone cared to look.

Old school fluorescent light tubes also contain mercury - lots of it - way more than a CFL bulb. Mercury contamination from the breakage and/or improper disposal of FL tube lights is rare even though they have been in use for decades.

Finally, replacing incandescent bulbs with CFL bulbs reduces lighting electricity consumption by 70% (or more). Half of that electricity (nationwide) is produced by coal-fired power plants that release tons of mercury into the environment each year. Replacing incandescent bulbs with CFL bulbs will *reduce* the release of mercury into the environment.

As usual, freeper enviro-nonsense is easily refuted...



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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 06:23 PM
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11. epa.gov gives step by step instructions on cleaning it.
Easy to find, even from epa.gov home page.

http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/mercury/faq/spills.htm

Your buddy's email is just another typical republiCON-job for their agenda that needs lying for support. Either the story is false or the testing was incompetently done.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 07:11 PM
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12. Tell them that there are nut-jobs out there...
that put mercury in people's teeth. Ask when are they going to raise a ruckus about that.

Bill
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 07:26 PM
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13. It's in WorldNutDaily. That's all you need to know.
It's not unlike quoting Pravda. :)
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 07:30 PM
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14. EPA link- pdf link to Mercury info on right side of page
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