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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:37 PM
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Be Careful What Your Bumper Sticker Says!
“No More Blood For Oil.”

Bumper stickers with that phrase were synonymous with opposition to the Iraq War, during the George W. Bush administration.

Simply hosting that message on one’s bumper was cause enough to remove two attendees at Bush’s 2005 speech at the Wings Over the Rockies Museum in Colorado. The White House had a policy of excluding those who did not agree with the president from his public appearances. It’s a policy a federal appeals court is upholding in a decision a dissenting judge decried as “simply astounding.”

The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals’ 2-1 ruling means, in short, that the would-be attendees who were ousted from the event had no First Amendment constitutional right to remain at the speech. The two plaintiffs obtained the free tickets from a local Colorado representative, and sued the government for giving them the boot.

“Plaintiffs simply have not identified any First Amendment doctrine that prohibits the government from excluding them from an official speech on private property on the basis of their viewpoint,” Judge Paul J. Kelly wrote for the majority Wednesday> He was joined by Judge Deanell Reece Tacha.

The court added, “Although defendants ejected them from the event on the basis of their speech outside the event, plaintiffs have identified no authority suggesting that mere attendance is transformed into speech or even expressive activity because of their speech elsewhere”

The American Civil Liberties Union, which brought the case, said Monday it was considering its options. They include letting the opinion stand, requesting the Denver-based court to reconsider, or appealing to the Supreme Court.

Before the plaintiffs entered the March 2005 event, the Secret Service initially stopped them and told one of the plaintiffs, Leslie Weise, that she’d be ejected “if she tried any funny stuff,” according to the ruling.

Shortly after Weise and co-plaintiff Alex Young got to their seats, they were asked to leave -– all because their vehicle in the parking lot had a bumper sticker the government did not like.



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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:43 PM
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1. The Teabaggers who attemd our town meetings....
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 06:44 PM by zanana1
Talk about hypocrisy. When a Dem schedules a town meeting around here, the meeting is always disrupted by teabaggers. Their intention is to disrupt enough so that the speaker is never heard. I attended one such town meeting a few weeks ago. There was a teabagger in the seat in front of me. He never shut up. People tried to "shush" him, but that was all we could do. He kept yelling about his "first amendment rights". Isn't it a shame it doesn't work both ways?
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:50 PM
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4. Bullshit.
No one has a "first amendment right" to disrupt a meeting hosted by a private party or organization. They also have no such right to not be physically ejected from the premises if they are disrupting.

Was the meeting hosted by the government, at public expense, for the public? If not, then they should have tossed this fucker out on his ear the second he disrupted. Why don't we cut the pussyfooting with these people and start asserting ourselves?
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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:44 PM
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27. If he had been thrown out it would look bad for the Dems.
They could announce that the Dems didn't want dissenting opinions at their meetings. It's been done before. It requires alot of pattience to deal with these people. The best we can do is show up in larger numbers and not be drawn into arguing with them. That's what they want. It was hosted by Carol Shea-Porter, our Representative in the House. NH town meetings are known for alot of boisterous people voicing their opinions, but these people don't really have opinions or solutions; they just have "NO" to say, and they want Democratic elected officials to give up and stop having town hall meetings. It hasn't happened yet and I doubt that it will.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:46 PM
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2. who appointed these three jurists?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:51 PM
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5. "Justice Alito to present award to Deanell Tacha"
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:52 PM
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6. Judge Kelly appointed by George Bush I
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:54 PM
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7. Dissenting judge appointed by LBJ. Called the decision "astounding"
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:06 PM
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13. Appointed by LBJ?
Just out of curiosity. how old is this judge?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:09 PM
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14. 81
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:15 PM
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17. According to Wikipedia he was born in 23
making him 86 or 87 depending upon date of birth.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 08:46 PM
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25. As any Fascist knows, packing the bench is an important first step. nt
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:48 PM
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3. I would say it depends on the venue.
At a private venue, if the owner asks you to leave then it's his right as the property owner.
If the venue is public or on public land (or the parking lot is public property), then it's a first ammendment issue.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:55 PM
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8. What if they parked on a public street? Could they still eject someone listening to the President?
Why would they eject the passenger of the car from the speech?
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:02 PM
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12. Technically, the owner of private property can kick you out for whatever.
However, I think this was a public venure with paid admission (tickets), no?
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:56 PM
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9. for those of us who party high, rock'nroll will never die.
i knew a guy in highschool so proud of that bumper sticker he drove all over town to show it to us. got pulled over and arrested for dui and posession of weed. i'm a pretty big 4th amendment gal but that STICKER IS PROBABALY CAUSE.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:57 PM
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10. That sticker is "probabaly cause" to eject someone from hearing the President speak? OMG.
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:11 PM
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15. no no no
probable cause to see if the guy is one who parties high.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:18 PM
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18. ah so :)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:58 PM
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11. What was that freedom of speech ruling for corporations that the Supreme
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 06:58 PM by Cleita
Court just decided allowing corporations to be people and enjoy the same rights people do? Do those rights in turn get taken away from flesh and blood people? It would seem so.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:26 PM
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21. Bingo! That is exactly what they have in mind. It goes all the way back to the
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:24 AM
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26. +1
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:11 PM
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16. Spending is free. Speech is not. Got it. n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:22 PM
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19. Not just at political rallies, either... Scroll down for the REALLY bad news.
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 07:25 PM by BrklynLiberal
Corporations have Constitutional rights only when it please them...


http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_4a29a1c8-a291-5bc7-a3b4-ed80d625519f.html
Woman sues for alleged firing over talk show bumper sticker

By: TERI FIGUEROA - Staff Writer | Posted: March 9, 2006 12:00 am


VISTA -- A San Diego County woman is suing her former employer, accusing her manager of firing her on the spot when she saw the woman's car had a bumper sticker advertising a progressive talk radio station.

The suit also alleges that, after seeing the sticker, the employer commented that the woman could be a member of al-Qaida.

In a civil suit filed at the county courthouse in Vista, Linda Laroca is targeting both her former manager, Beverly Fath, and the company she briefly worked for last year, Advantage Sales and Marketing, Inc.

Neither Laroca nor the defendants could be reached for comment Wednesday. Laroca's attorney declined comment.

Laroca, who was hired by the company as a sales representative, is seeking lost wages and damages for wrongful termination for violations of both public policy and the state labor code. She is also claiming state constitutional violations and emotional distress.

The California labor code prohibits employers from controlling or directing the political activities of employees.

According to Laroca's suit, the bumper sticker in question read only: "1360 Air America Progressive Talk Radio."

The nationwide syndicated radio programming from left-wing Air America, which describes itself as "progressive entertainment talk radio" features show hosts such as comedian and author Al Franken. The network programming is carried locally by radio station KLSD 1360 AM.

A call to Clear Channel-owned KLSD on Wednesday afternoon was not immediately returned.

In her Feb. 21 claim, Laroca asserts that on Oct. 8, three weeks after she started working for the marketing company, Fath called her on a Saturday and requested they meet at a nearby grocery store parking lot so Laroca could pass on some documents Fath needed.

During the brief encounter, Laroca charges, the manager pointed to the bumper sticker -- the only one on Laroca's car -- and remarked that it was a new sticker and called it "that Al Franken left-wing radical radio station."

Laroca alleges in her suit that Fath then told her, "The country is on a high state of alert. For all I know, you could be al-Qaida."

A stunned Laroca laughed nervously at the statement, the suit alleges, and then was dealt "the final blow" when Fath fired her on the spot.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2106714/
Bumper Sticker InsubordinationA Kerry fan gets fired, and then hired, for her politics.
By Timothy NoahPosted Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2004, at 6:30 PM ET

Listen to this story on NPR's Day to Day Listen to this story on NPR's Day to Day.

One of this column's various mandates is to keep track of people who get fired from their jobs solely for holding certain political beliefs. Firing a person because you don't like his or her politics runs contrary to just about everything this country stands for, but it is not against the law. My interest in this topic was stimulated a couple of years ago when I learned that my childhood friend Michael Italie, who sewed U.S. Navy jackets for Goodwill Industries in Miami, got fired for appearing on television as the mayoral candidate for the Socialist Workers Party, in which capacity he made some predictably provocative statements. Subsequently, I wrote about Bryan Keefer, who lost his job as a research assistant with the Service Employees International Union for writing an online column critical of the coinage, "Enron conservatives." In both of these examples, the extracurricular activities that caused offense were entirely unrelated to the fired person's job and were not performed, or even discussed, in the workplace.
The same is true of Lynne Gobbell of Moulton, Ala., who on Sept. 9 was fired from her job at Enviromate, a company that makes housing insulation, for driving to work with a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker in the rear windshield of her Chevy Lumina. The person who did the firing was Phil Geddes, who owns the company and is an enthusiastic Bush supporter. (Although Gobbell hasn't done any proselytizing for Kerry at Enviromate, Geddes distributed a flyer to all Enviromate employees explaining why they should vote for Bush.) Here is how Gobbell related her story to Clyde Stancil of the Decatur Daily News:
"We were going back to work from break, and my manager told me that Phil said to remove the sticker off my car or I was fired," she said. "I told him that Phil couldn't tell me who to vote for. He said, 'Go tell him.' "

She went to office, knocked on the door and entered on his orders.

"Phil and another man who works there were there," she said. "I asked him if he said to remove the sticker and he said, 'Yes, I did.' I told him he couldn't tell me who to vote for. When I told him that, he told me, 'I own this place.' I told him he still couldn't tell me who to vote for."

Gobbell said told her to "get out of here."

"I asked him if I was fired and he told me he was thinking about it," she said. "I said, 'Well, am I fired?' He hollered and said, 'Get out of here and shut the door.' "

She said her manager was standing in another room and she asked him if that meant for her to go back to work or go home. The manager told her to go back to work, but he came back a few minutes later and said, "I reckon you're fired. You could either work for him or John Kerry," Gobbell said.

"I took off my gloves and threw them in the garbage and left," Gobbell said.
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and here is the bad news!!!!! They can do that!!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123024596

Can Bosses Do That? As It Turns Out, Yes They Can

Did you know you could be fired for not removing a political sticker from your car — or even having a beer after work? Lewis Maltby says it's more than possible — it's happened. His new book, Can They Do That? explores rights in the workplace.

As he tells NPR's Ari Shapiro, "Freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment — but only where the government is concerned.

"What most Americans generally don't know is that the Constitution doesn't apply to private corporations at all."

In terms of monitoring its employees, the list of things a corporation can't do is a short one — it's basically confined to eavesdropping on a personal oral conversation, Maltby said. "Anything else is open season."


And outside the workplace, personal blogs or social media pages on services like Twitter or Facebook offer no refuge.

Asked if workers can be fired for things they write on those sites, Maltby said, "Absolutely. Happens every day."

But not all snooping is meant to be malicious, Maltby said. For instance, a boss who suspects an employee might be about to quit, or is perhaps moonlighting for a competitor, might seek out the worker's personal blog.

The worker might not have been doing any of the things the boss had feared — instead, "your boss sees you blowing off steam about him, takes offense — and you get fired."

And workers have very little legal protection against being fired, said Maltby, who is also the president and founder of the National Workrights Institute.

"I've been getting calls from people for 20 years who've been abused in all sorts of ways," Maltby said. "When I tell them, 'Sorry, you don't have any legal rights,' they literally don't believe me," Maltby said.

Companies need the freedom to run their businesses the way they want — and fire people who are seen as doing a bad job. But, Maltby says, those decisions should be based on legitimate business rationale.

Asked how some practices can persist even though a majority of workers are against them, Maltby points to a key flaw in the job market: workers' need for stable income. The need to pay for things like a home mortgage or a child's education tends to complicate matters.

"It sounds nice in theory to say, 'Walk away, and look for another job,' " Maltby said. "But in practice, most people just can't take that risk. They just put up with it."


excerpt from book at link.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:22 PM
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20. Well this proves beyond any doubt what-so-ever Bush* was never President of all the people.
If a person even hinted at disagreement they would not be allowed to attend a public forum to listen to supposedly theirPresident..
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 08:16 PM
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23. It's hard to be a "President of all the people"
when one "wins" the "election" by a 5-to-4 vote, especially with most of those 5 being appointed either directly or indirectly by daddy.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 07:39 PM
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22. And yet the kid with the "NOBAMA" tee shirt
won $4000 from his HS as they sent him home the day Obama came to campaign.

Adams City, Colorado...

Astounding...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 08:19 PM
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24. *
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