On the whole "BFEE" thing...I don't buy it.

[DaveinJapan]

So one reoccurring theme I've noticed in my time here on DU has been this accusation; EVERYTHING that has ever gone wrong with the Democrats and their agenda can be traced back to this insidious "Bush Family Evil Empire" idea.

Among other theories, I've read here that the Bush family was DIRECTLY responsible for killing Kennedy, getting Reagan shot, thwarting Jimmy Carter's attempt to rescue the hostages, masterminding 9/11, rigging at least 2 Presidential elections (this one I wouldn't dismiss, though if so they had a lot of help), in fact practically everything you could think of short of accusing Lewinsky of being a Bush family operative (or has that been said, too?).

Thing is, I have no doubt that the powerful and rich Bush family has had their hand in lots of high level dealings, but malevolent and crafty though they certainly are, I've never really gotten the feeling that we're talking about a family of evil geniuses. Far from it, in fact. I think they're dangerous in the same way that a stupid redneck teabagger (or more accurately, a group of them) is dangerous. Aggressive and selfish and mean and single-minded, sure, but capable of plotting all of these 007 type plots...and keeping them all so secret that they get away with it time and again right under everyone's collective noses, leaving even the conspiracy theorists baffled as to how such sinister minds can be the puppeteers of all the world's events so seamlessly?

I just don't buy that.

[blue neen]

1. Oh mercy.

.

[mdmc]

2. YOU LIE!

[RedCloud]

90. And conveniently avoids Prescott Bush, the Nazi worshiper in Auschwitz!

[peace13]

3. Nobody asked you to.

DU is a smorgasbord of ideas. Feast on those that you enjoy and let the others be.

[PM Martin]

4. Not for everything.

But there are many connections which prove you wrong.

[Initech]

5. The BFEE isn't just limited to direct descendants of George HW and Barbara Bush.

It also includes the people they choose to surround themselves with, and with that, you get hundreds of independants who are capable of fucking up this country without regards to central leadership, and that's where it gets fucking scary.

[ChickMagic]

65. And their antecedant

who traded illegally with the Nazis and thought they had the right idea.

[Initech]

79. Yup, the Bush family is the political world's equivalent of Kevin Bacon.

You can connect literally any event that's happened in the last fifty years to them by playing the Six Degrees game.

[Ghost in the Machine]

87. Barbara Bush's maternal grandfather was Ohio Supreme Court Justice James E. Robinson

Her father was Marvin Pierce, president of McCall Corporation, the publisher of the popular women's magazines Redbook and McCall's.


Don't forget about the Bush - Blackwater Family ties, either...



"Bush - Blackwater Family Ties"

Joseph Schmitz, COO & general counsel of the Prince Group, Blackwater's parent company, is married to one Lucila Garnica Gallo, Colomba Bush's sister (Jeb Bush's wife).

And Joseph Schmitz's sister is------>Mary Kay Letourneau.

and their father is ~~>> John G. Schmitz, was a two-term Republican congressman from California and a prominent member of the John Birch Society, an ultra-conservative group that flowered during the Cold War. He ran for president in 1972 as the candidate of the American Independent Party after its founder, George Wallace, was paralyzed by a would-be assassin.

John Schmitz’s political career ended with the revelation that he had a mistress who bore two of his children. He then moved to Washington, where he bought a house once owned by Sen. Joseph McCarthy.


:hi:

[Initech]

97. Let's not forget George's side of the family...

His father Prescott tried to stage a right-wing coup to overthrow FDR and profited handsomely selling weapons to the Nazis and financing Hitler.

Samuel Bush, Bush's grandfather, sold weapons to Germany during WWI.

Yup evil runs deep in that family.

[Ghost in the Machine]

99. Yes, I covered Prescott Bush in post #24...

Look through this thread for the posts from Octafish... he's DU's very own walking history book of the BFEE


:hi:

[Initech]

100. I've read tons of his posts, tons of good info in there.

[Hannah Bell]

102. "...is married tone Lucila Garnica Gallo"

that's the most interesting thing i've heard in weeks. i've always wondered who the bush wives were. there's not much info available on their family backgrounds.

do you know anything about the gallos/garnicas? how do the daughters of (supposedly) a "migrant worker" in mexico wind up married to two such connected guys?

something weird about it.

[Hannah Bell]

106. i'm not sure this is true. gallo's sister is variously said to be married to john schmitz or joseph

but the john schmitz she lives with is john W schmitz, not john P schmitz from this family. maybe there's a connection, but it doesn't seem to be as stated.

p. 9:

John W. Schmitz 375 Cocoplum RoadCoral Gables, Florida
Lucila Schmitz 375 Cocoplum RoadCoral Gables, Florida

http://egov.ci.miami.fl.us/Legistarweb/Attachments/25337.pdf.


there are articles on the web about bush's wife's sister lucila, who's said to live in coral gables.

[Ghost in the Machine]

109. Oh wow, good catch! Looks like I was wrong...

John Patrick Schmitz
Born: 1955


Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Government
Party Affiliation: Republican

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Washington lobbyist

Clerked for Antonin Scalia at the U.S. Court of Appeals (1983-84), then deputy counsel in the Office of the Vice President (1985-89).

Father: John G. Schmitz
Mother: Mary E. Suehr
Brother: Joseph E. Schmitz
Sister: Mary Kay Letourneau (b. 30-Jan-1962)
Brother: Philip (b. 1970, d. 11-Aug-1973)
Brother: Jerome T. Schmitz
Brother: Theresa Manion
Sister: Elizabeth Crnkovich
Brother: John George (half brother)
Sister: Eugenie (half sister)
Wife: Joan
Daughter: Mary
Daughter: Anna
Son: John
Son: Max
Daughter: Julia

http://nndb.net/people/190/000118833/

[Hannah Bell]

112. i wanted it to be true...but it doesn't seem to be. doesn't rule out the possibility John W.

is somehow related to the other Schmitzs....

[sandnsea]

6. David Margolis & Yoo & Bybee

David Margolis, the DOJ attorney that let them off the hook, can be traced back to Iran/Contra.

It's not our fault everything keeps going back to the Bush Crime Family.

[quickesst]

7. Here's one way to look at it....

"Far from it, in fact. I think they're dangerous in the same way that a stupid redneck teabagger (or more accurately, a group of them) is dangerous."

Very dangerous, especially if that "stupid redneck teabagger" has access to unlimited funds and resources. The BFEE exists, and it's the cause of the woes this nation is facing, that is, with the exception of the rich, who by the way, are getting richer. Thanks.
quickesst

[DaveinJapan]

13. "it's the cause of the woes this nation is facing". Really? All of them?

Again, I'm not saying they're not responsible for a lot of bad stuff.

But this whole "blame the woes of the nation on some nefarious, super-genius group" is just way too easy.

It took a whole lot of assholes to fuck us up to the point we're at now. Placing all the blame on the evil Bush family is comfortable and convenient, but ultimately pretty silly if you ask me.

And counter-productive, since it's easy to say that and they just sit back and say "well, what can ya do? that evil group is in control anyway".

Again, I don't buy it.

[laughingliberal]

51. All of them?

Pretty much, yeah. Add Reagan in and you got the whole enchilada.

[immoderate]

98. Yeah! It's like Capone wasn't the entire Mafia...

Maybe he was just a witness. Yeah, that's it. He was a bystander. All those murders and robberies -- other families did it too! Why you gotta pick on Bush, I mean Capone, for everything?

--imm

[asdjrocky]

8. Blame the victims.

That's the ticket.

[Webster Green]

9. They absolutely stole two elections.

They are ruthless, very powerful, and evil to the max.

There's enough right there on the record for all to see, to accurately characterize them as the "BFEE".

This would include the Bush family going back to Prescott (The Nazi sympathizer), and all their various cronies, including Cheney, Rove, and all the rest.

They've killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent people, and looted the entire U.S. treasury. You think they would balk at murder and
assasination of people who would stand in their way? :rofl:

[Last Stand]

11. google "trilateral commission" and "skull and bones"

Should induce vomiting.

[DaveinJapan]

17. I might agree that the REPUBLICANS stole two elections.

But do I think that all comes down to one uber-powerful crime family?

I think that gives those jagoffs way too much credit.

[Sebastian Doyle]

31. The Bush Crime Family IS every Republican administration since 1952

Yes, even Eisenhower. He was a golfing buddy of Prescott Bush, and it was Nazi Grandpa himself who introduced Ike to Tricky Dick Nixon (who was recruited to run for congress by Grandpa Prescott in 1946).

To his credit, Eisenhower wasn't a big fan of the Bush Crime Family's agenda, which is why he wrote this letter to his brother Edgar, who was a far right John Bircher type....

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

Anybody who has been following politics for any length of time knows exactly who Ike was talking about there. Unfortunately, that negligible number of stupid people has gotten away with many of the very things Eisenhower warned us about. Not the least of which is the rise of the "military industrial complex" he warned this country about in his last speech as President.

[Chemical Bill]

18. Prescott Bush was not a Nazi sympathizer...

at least not only that. He funded Hitler (as did other US industrialists such as Henry Ford and Watson from IBM). The Bush family made a profit off of those investments (as did IBM, I wonder how Ford did?).

Bill

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. It's paranoid nonsense

It substitutes for actually thinking about the structural conditions of power in society.

[Webster Green]

12. I'm sure you've heard the old expression...

"It ain't paranoia if they really are out to get you!" :smoke:

[Last Stand]

15. Beg to differ--dismissing it is a substitution for thinking.

Read Greg Palast (Best democracy money can buy) and David Brock (blinded by the right) and then see if you are willing to look the other way.

[JackRiddler]

27. As a student of Socrates, I'm sure Alcibiades would have been amused by your false dichotomy.

And it's not like he affected the structures of the Athenian and Spartan city-states through his power-seeking machinations, is it?

Oh.

There is no contradiction between "thinking about the structural conditions of power in society" and studying the actors (and networks of actors) who occupy leading positions and make decisions within those structures.

In fact, the two approaches should complement each other - and neither should go without the attempt to understand developmental dynamics. Since both are subject to constant changes, gradual as well as on occasion radical.

[defendandprotect]

52. Structural conditions aren't nature . . . they are hierarchies of power put there by the

powerful to control the masses --

[dflprincess]

54. From the London Guardian "How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.

The article does mention that there is no evidence old Prescott was a Nazi sympathizer - apparently he was just a greedy asshole who was willing sell out his own country, its allies and everyone in the death camps for a few bucks. In some ways that almost makes him worse than a sympahtizer - at least then he would have believed in something (however wrong the belief was) other than money. It's a pity no one ever offered him $5.00 bucks to run his little grandson George W over - he probably would have done it and saved us 8 miserable years.

And then there was that whole plot against FDR

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/240707fascistcoup.htm

A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.
In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."

Here's a link to the BBC audio that the above clip is talking about

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

Apparently there's a lot of paranoia about the Bushes at the Guardian and the BBC.

[Octafish]

75. From the BBC: Prescott Bush part of conspiracy to overthrow FDR

Here's something that amply demonstrates the true nature of the structural conditions of power in society:

The White House Coup

Something for you and those wearing tinfoil hats to consider:

Where is the United States news media on this and the other stories about Bush-related criminality?

[HughBeaumont]

107. Probably the same reason "The Business Plot" wasn't a cause celebre . . .

. . . their hands were (and still are) dirty also!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/27/112936/440

The role of leading newspapers and journals of opinion in reporting the Butler affair is equally suspect. In fact, their handling of the event has the appearance of outright distortion and censorship. The veracity of some major newspapers has been widely questioned in the last 50 years, and in some quarters the media have even been accused of a conspiracy to suppress "everything in opposition to the wishes of the interest served."
Does such suppression extend to major news journals? We can take two prime examples; The New York Times and Time magazine. If such a combination as Callaway charges did exist, then these two journals would certainly be among "25 of the greatest papers involved in the 1930s." The New York Times reporting of the "plot" opens up with a front-page headline article on November 21, 1934: "Gen. Butler Bares 'Fascist Plot' to Seize Government by Force," with the lead paragraph quoted above (p. 143). This Times article is a reasonably good job of reporting and includes a forthright statement by Congressman Dickstein: "From present indications Butler has the evidence. He's not going to make any serious charges unless he has something to back them up. We'll have men here with bigger names than his." Then the Times article records that "Mr. Dickstein said that about sixteen persons mentioned by General Butler to the Committee would be subpoenaed, and that a public hearing might be held next Monday." The Times also includes outright and sometimes enraged denials from Hugh Johnson, Thomas W. Lamont, and Grayson M-P. Murphy of Guaranty Trust.

(snip)

While the Times reporting was consigned to an inside single column, the editorial page, its most influential section, carried a lead editorial that set the tone for subsequent reporting. Under the head "Credulity Unlimited," it contended that the Butler charge was a "bald and unconvincing narrative. ... The whole story sounds like a gigantic hoax ... it does not merit serious discussion," and so on. In brief, before the 16 important witnesses were called, before the evidence was on the record, before the charge was investigated, the New York Times decided that it wanted to hear nothing about this story because it was a hoax, not fit to print.

(snip)

Reviewing the story of the Butler Affair in the Times 40 years after the event and comparing its story to the printed official testimony, itself heavily censored, it is obvious that the newspaper, either under its own initiative or under outside pressure, decided that the story was not to be made public. Consistent with this interpretation, we find that The New York Times, the "newspaper of record," omits the Butler testimony from entries in its annual index, depended upon by researchers and scholars. The Times Index for 1934 has an entry "BUTLER (Maj Gen), Smedley D," but lists only a few of his speeches and a biographic portrait. The Butler testimony is not listed. There is an entry, "See also: Fascism-U.S.," but under that cross-reference there is listed only: "Maj Gen S.D. Butler charges plot to overthrow present govt; Wall Street interests and G.P. MacGuire implicated at Cong com hearing." The only significant Wall Street name mentioned in the index is that of R.S. Clark, who is reported as "puzzled" by the charges. None of the key Morgan and Du Pont associates cited by General Butler is listed in the Index. In other words, there appears to have been a deliberate attempt by this newspaper to mislead historians.

Small wonder why the corporations drooled over the 1996 TelCom act. They had already been buying up media companies to promote their arch-right-wing message and replace Cronkite-era journalism with uncontested opinion, reducing the whole sham to farce. All of the necessary plants at Faux, NBC and ABC were in the bag for Bewsh in the 2000 Theft. The more we don't learn from history . .. .

[Jennicut]

14. The Bush family is inherently evil but really, the powerful and corrupt exist in

both parties. It is just that the Bushes were able to keep this up over many generations.

[JackRiddler]

16. Anyway, it's not like Bush appointments were still in charge of the Pentagon, the Federal Reserve...

and the war in Afghanistan, right?

Oh.

[deaniac21]

30. on Afganistan...I don't think bush appointed Obama.

[JackRiddler]

60. What about Gates, Petraeus and McChrystal?

The escalation as it has now been implemented was planned and intended by the Pentagon well in advance of Obama's election. The supposedly pained cabinet deliberations were never in doubt, a kabuki show. The Pentagon's plans were leaked during this time but for some reason it wasn't called a leak. That negative label applied only to the too-late revelation of Ambassador Eikenberry's cables warning against escalation.

Do yourself a favor and read these:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_eikenberry_cables_20100128/

[deaniac21]

62. The president rules on foreign policy. The cabinet and all of

the officers serve at his discretion. Thats the facts Jack.

[JackRiddler]

63. If it was about anything less important, such naivete might have been charming.

Sad.

[deaniac21]

69. Sorry, I had to use all of my tinfoil to wrap leftovers.

[defendandprotect]

77. Certainly our DOJ doesn't consider ....

conspiracy theory "tin foil" --

Nor should we . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7632180

[deaniac21]

86. Wow! I could hear the crickets in that link.

[Ghost in the Machine]

88. Was it crickets, or just something rattling around that empty space where your brain should be??

:shrug:

[deaniac21]

110. That is a compliment coming from you sir!

[defendandprotect]

101. I should have given it a catchier title . . . everyone's worn out with Haiti . . . !!!

Of course, I guess you didn't get past the title, either, to notice

conspiracy by any chance?

:evilgrin:

[deaniac21]

111. I actually read the snips but not the links. My drivel alarm started

going off which really makes my tinnitus worse.

[defendandprotect]

55. And Kissinger's influence over Obama . . . ?????

Don't know where I picked this up -- maybe even here at DU?

But it does linger in my mind . . .



"Harry Mellon March 23rd, 2009 8:01 pm

1. Obama's NSC advisor James Jones recently stated in a speech a CFR conference that he takes his orders directly from Dr. Kissinger. ..."

To that, Red Rick replied:

"Red Rick March 23rd, 2009 8:07 pm

I sure would like a link to this rather startling statement."

I HADN'T read the subsequent reply by Mister Chips (baked or fried? go for baked!) about the infowars.com article with a link to the CFR page, instead having immediately jumped to doing a Web search using <"James Jones" Kissinger> (minus the <> characters) and this quickly enough showed that there's a page at godlikeproductions... that seemed to be a fitting starter. It was; the first post in the page at that site provides a link to the CFR page, which is the one just below. I split the URL over three lines, but also tested a Web search using the title of the page and this would be easier and quicker for people to do. It was the first link that came up for me when seaching using only the title; but people can copy and paste the url in three parts if they prefer to do this too.

"Remarks by National Security Adviser Jones at 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy
Published February 8, 2009

Speaker:
James L. Jones"

http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/
remarks_by_national_security_adviser_jones_at_45th_
munich_conference_on_security_policy.html


QUOTE:
U.S. National Security Adviser Jones gave these remarks at the 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof on February 8, 2009.

"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States,

I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.

END QUOTE

This continues the info I picked up . . .

A chain of command in the NSC, today; with Kissinger as C-in-C of the chain, that war criminal and criminal against humanity in other terms? Or, well, just below the C-in-C, who's in the White House presidential office, once in a while, when not out playing golf in Hawaii or whatever, or giving military so warfare helicopter models as gifts to of the British PM, or ..., ya know, anyway? And then who's his C-in-C and therefore the real C-in-C or C's-in-C, anyway? Well, Kissinger's evidently high up the chain anyway.

Now that's a few anyway's isn't it? Anyway, ... I have to take a second out here, needing to push my eyes back into their sockets; they're bulging a little outward, suffering some sudden hyper-outward-extension ... for some reason (known). It's just a little reaction due to sudden chagrin or anger, ah, whatever.

I figured Kissinger was lurking nearby, but didn't realise the creep was quite this close by or at hand.

Well, don't be surprised. I haven't been keeping up much on the recent cries of scandal about the AIG matter, but the following article, while short enough, is strong on this topic and tells readers that it really wasn't worthwhile to waste time worrying about the $163mn or $183mn the Obama administration allocated to AIG bonuses, because this doesn't represent 0.1% of what's really being allocated to AIG's "counterparties", which I believe to understand is only about what AIG owed or owes to others. Obama et al have been working on keeping this latter reality out of public attention; ya know, not wanting to cause a sudden series of heart attacks, etcetera.

You may all have already seen this article, but I'll provide the url anyway, just in case.

"The Real AIG Conspiracy", by Prof. Michael Hudson, Mar 18 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12784

Seems like we better expect Obama to be up to many secrets; keeping them secret, or under masks (say) of deception, as much as possible anyway.

What other surprises are in store for the public now?

Kissinger should be internationally indicted and would justly want him to stand trial or many trials for his many years of many crimes; the man's criminal from A-Z, full range, only he hasn't worn the "hat" of U.S. president or v.p. yet. Well, his criminality is so multi-facted and extreme that there perhaps isn't much difference anyway. Give him 150, 200 or 500 years prison sentence, what's the difference? He wouldn't live long enough to serve a decent portion of the deserved lower number of years anyway. Oh well, it'd just cost taxpayers a lot less money to get rid of him without using the death penalty, then.

It's all nice and dandy that Obama is thinking of legalising marijuana for medical purposes (when it should be totally legally anyway), but this is "smelling" like a way to try to people into some sort of dumb complacency and hopefully no one will buy into the trickery. The herb should be fully legal, I have no doubts about that; but just because we're for certain doesn't mean that we should fall asleep at the wheel of life, either. I'd support the legalisation he says he's thinking of providing, or his spokesperson says he is, but without being fooled into believing that this gesture means he's an honest individual.

They know they're drawing a lot of anger from people, many people, including people who supported him for president, so he's trying to deceive people into continuing to support him, trying to cause them to believe that there is some real good about him for or as president; and there might be a little, maybe (?), but it evidently is mostly (if not wholly) shelved for the duration of the presidency. Otoh, it was also shelved during his years as a senator, too. Oh-oh or ah-oh, uh-oh, ... whatever; you'll figure it out.
What's O'bomb'a up to, really?


That's all --

I haven't gone to the AIG link to refresh whatever info that has --


My appreciation to whomever first brought this to the internet's attention!!

[Octafish]

64. Which traces that aspen's lineage straight back to the BFEE

Hank Greenburg, AIG, and The Global Crime Syndicate

[Hannah Bell]

103. kissinger is said to = rockefeller

[timtom]

19. Funny you should say...

I just now received my book that I ordered from Amazon.com:

"Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker

The author is praised by Bill Moyers

The book is praised by Roger Morris,former Senior Staff Member, NSC

I buy it.

[Octafish]

68. Russ Baker is very brave. So is Gary Potter: 'The Bush Family: A Continuing Criminal Enterprise?'

The journalist and the professor want the truth known, no matter what.

The Bush Family: A Continuing Criminal Enterprise?

Gary W. Potter, PhD.
Professor, Criminal Justice
Eastern Kentucky University

The S&Ls, the Mob and the Bushs

During the 1980's hundred of Savings and Loan Banks failed. Those bank failures cost U.S. taxpayers over $500 billion to cover federally insured losses, and much more to investigate the bank failures (Pizzo, Fricker, and Muolo, 1989; Brewton, 1992; Johnston, 1990). More than 75% of the Savings and Loan insolvencies where directly linked to serious and often criminal misconduct by senior financial insiders (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 305). In fact, less than 10 percent of bank failures are related to economic conditions, the rest are caused by mismanagement or criminal conduct (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 305).

A good example of the Savings and Loan failures can be found in the activities of Mario Renda, a Savings and Loan insider who often worked in close collaboration with organized crime (Pizzo, Fricker and Muolo, 1989: 123-126;302). Renda served as a middle man in arranging about $5 billion a year in deposits into 130 Savings and Loans, all of which failed (Kwitny, 1992: 27). Many of these deposits were made contingent on an agreement that the Savings and Loan involved would lend money to borrowers recommended by Renda, many of whom were organized crime figures or people entirely unknown to the banking institution involved (Kwitny, 1992: 27).

Equally good examples of financial misconduct in the Savings and Loan scandal is found in the activities of the Bush family. In some cases Bush family members helped skim Savings and Loan funds which were delivered to outsiders as a part of deals involving lucrative payoffs to bank directors. In other cases, members of the Bush family intervened to influence decisions involving highly speculative and unsound investments involving loans that would not be repaid if the venture was not profitable. And finally, the Bush family’s political connection served to protect those guilty of misconduct in the Savings and Loan scandal (Kwitny, 1992: 24).

Neil Bush: Taking Down Silverado

In 1990 federal bank regulators filed a $200 million lawsuit against the officers of Silverado Banking, including Neil Bush, brother of the current President. The lawsuit accused them of gross negligence which resulted in a loss of $1 billion by Silverado and the bank’s ultimate collapse (Los Angeles Times, 1990). According to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation: “Our conclusion is that Silverado was the victim of sophisticated schemes and abuses by insiders and of gross negligence by its directors and outside professionals” (Johnston, 1990). Neil Bush was reprimanded by the Office of Thrift Supervision for pervasive conflicts of interest while serving as a paid director of the bank Of particular concern was his role in a serious of loans totaling $132 million from the bank to two businessmen, Bill Walters and Kenneth Good (Los Angeles Times, 1990: 1; Isikoff, 1992: A1). Walters and Good, after securing the loans from Silverado, lent Neil Bush $100,000 and later forgave the loan entirely. In addition, Walters and Good owned a company which paid $550,000 in salaries to Neil Bush (Los Angeles Times, 1990: 1; Isikoff, 1992: A1). In the end Walters and Good lost a total of $330 million loaned to them by Silverado. They also received instructions from a member of Silrverado’s board of directors on the establishment of family trusts to prevent the government from seizing the money they owed the bank (Kwitny, 1992: 32). The shutdown of Silverado was postponed from October to December 1988 so that it would happen after President Bush, Sr.’s election campaign had ended. Neil Bush had to pay only $50,000 to settle the federal lawsuit against him and he was able to avoid any legal costs because a senior banking industry lobbyist formed a legal defense fund to pay the legal costs (Fritz, 1992).

Neil Bush also profited enormously from another company on verge of bankruptcy. Apex Energy paid him over $2000,000 in salary and oil deed compensation payments while teetering on the edge of bankruptcy (Failing firm paid Neil Bush big salary, 1992).

CONTINUED...

http://critcrim.org/critpapers/potter.htm

Most people who know about this stuff choose to remain anonymous.

[timtom]

70. Thanks for the response.

That's good stuff. I have known or suspected much of this for years, now. The books simply help to formalize and codify things.

[Octafish]

72. ''JFK and the Unspeakable -- Why He Died and Why It Matters'' is another excellent read.

While author James Douglass doesn't mention the BFEE by name, the fingerprints of the first family of the War Party are were all over Dallas.

DUer MinM turned me on to the book, which ties together a lot of the stuff we've discussed on DU.

Thank you for caring about the who helped get us to the way things are, timtom.

[timtom]

74. Thank you, Octafish.

And now, I am going to order THAT book from Amazon.com. Perhaps, before I die, I will receive some sort of confirmation of my suspicions (held since 1963).

But I'm afraid that the die is cast, so to speak.

[truedelphi]

20. You do understand that Nixon appointed Bush to be

Head of the CIA? And that no one gets that post unless they have spent some considerable time in the CIA? And whoever was close to the Nixon Administration had to be inside the loop on the events of Nov 22 1963? (Prior to his appointment as CIA head, George Sr was in charge of the Republican Party's cash flow - and again, that was on account of his understanding of what had happened on Nove 22 1963.)

I knew people who knew of Geore Bush Sr.

And believe me, circa late 1950's, early 1960's, he didn't have his "oil" boat floating around the waters of Cuba simply for his health or for the health of his oil empire. Rather such a vessel was used as it was easy to equip with listening devices to spy on Cuba.

[susu369]

25. Thank you for that post

you certainly articulated it much better than I could - although I was having the same thoughts.

[Art_from_Ark]

29. Acually, Nixon appointed bu$h Sr. first US ambassador to Mao's China

It was Gerald Ford who appointed bu$h Sr. head of the CIA

[truedelphi]

32. Slap on forehead - thanks, you are so right.

Grey matter is being diminished by uploads of friend's B day cake.

Or at least tha is my excuse for today.

[Zywiec]

43. No one gets that post unless they have spent some considerable time in the CIA

Really, how much considerable time did the current head of the CIA have before being appointed?

:shrug:

[Last Stand]

61. read Rolling Stone, "Who Shot JFK"

They connect the dots pretty well.

[anigbrowl]

66. Logic fail

Head of the CIA? And that no one gets that post unless they have spent some considerable time in the CIA? And whoever was close to the Nixon Administration had to be inside the loop on the events of Nov 22 1963? (Prior to his appointment as CIA head, George Sr was in charge of the Republican Party's cash flow - and again, that was on account of his understanding of what had happened on Nove 22 1963.)

I knew people who knew of Geore Bush Sr.

And believe me, circa late 1950's, early 1960's, he didn't have his "oil" boat floating around the waters of Cuba simply for his health or for the health of his oil empire. Rather such a vessel was used as it was easy to equip with listening devices to spy on Cuba.

So, because GWHB was in the CIA, and one of the things the CIA was doing was spying on Cuba (and by extension, the USSR), it follows that he was involved in the assassination of JFK? Uh, no. I'm not hostile to the idea that he was, but what you have presented above isn't evidence, it's just hopelessly sloppy thinking. Your chain of reasoning appears to be 'Bush was in the CIA, something bad happened, the CIA is bad, therefore Bush was involved'. It makes no sense, and this is why you are out on the fringe.

I'm with the OP - far too many people on DU just endlessly repeat conspiracy theories about the CIA and BFEE without presenting any real evidence, and engage in worn-out rhetorical tricks when challenged. It's just as stupid and wasteful as RWers who ascribe all evil to socialism.

[Rebubula]

84. Considerable time in the CIA?????

....I think that Leon Panetta and James Woolsey might disagree with that assessment.


Just saying....

[Octafish]

94. Poppy testified before Congress he had never been in CIA, yet the documentary record says otherwise.

...newly uncovered documents show he was doing CIA-approved oil business in Vietnam in 1968.

Seems W bragged about his Daddy bein' CIA in 1973!

Here's another one some reporters, I'm sure, would like to ask him about -- it mentions "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" in connection to the feelings of the Cuban community in Miami in regards to the assassination of President Kennedy:



Transcription:

Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

This one also is important, as there is no doubt it refers to Poppy Bush -- he stated he was in Dallas the same day President Kennedy was assassinated:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Does anyone else find this odd? How about you, DaveinJapan? Any thoughts on these interesting Bush-related documents?

[Hannah Bell]

104. bush opened china too. he was the advance man for nixon's "opening" &

The Bush family: Middle Kingdom rainmakers

By Zach Coleman

HONG KONG - George Herbert Walker Bush arrived in Beijing 30 years ago as the official United States representative to China with one goal above all else: expanding his buddy list...

Bush Sr and his relatives have turned that open invitation into a family franchise over the years, setting themselves up as gatekeepers between lucrative business opportunities created by the opening up of China's economy and the US corporate and political establishment. If Iraq is the place where the Bush men fight once they leave the oil fields of Texas, China is where they have made money.

CONTINUED (GOOGLE cache …may soon be gone)…

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FE21Ad01.html

[Cleita]

21. BFEE actually goes back to Prescott Bush, George W. Bush's grandfather, who

was a US senator whose business dealings helped Hitler's rise to power.

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

The family legacy through staging military coups in third world countries and later with drug dealing establishes them and their collaborators as of the criminal class although they have managed to evade being brought to justice until now because of their wealth, international connections and knack for getting and holding public offices, which seem to put them above the law. They are no better than the pirates and war lords of previous times.

[Sebastian Doyle]

28. Actually it goes back even before that.

Prescott's daddy, Samuel Bush made a lot of money selling weapons during World War I. And considering a lot of those weapons ended up in Russia, you might say the Bush Crime Family enabled the rise of the Soviet Union (albeit not directly as they did the rise of the Nazi Third Reich)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Samuel_Prescott_Bush

[Cleita]

42. Oh you are absolutely right. It's a rotten blood line that's for sure. n/t

[Chemical Bill]

22. The Bush family is the front...

they are not in charge. They make a convenient focus when referring to the few ultra rich that use portions of the CIA to go way beyond any morals or laws in pursuit of power and money. It's like using the name of a long dead mobster when talking about an organized crime faction, except the Bush family is still alive and in the thick of it. So you are half right, they are not alone.

Bill

[bertman]

23. DaveinJapan, TimTom beat me to it, but if you would really like to educate yourself about

the BFEE, get a copy of "Family of Secrets", read it carefully--it's packed with highly relevant details-- and get back to us.

I know what you mean about seeming to put everything on one family with the term BFEE, but when you look back at how that family (Walkers and Bushes) has been enmeshed with the financial elites of America for over 125 years you will start to understand why the term is used.

[Ghost in the Machine]

24. Maybe you should do a little studying on the Bush family, back deeper than Poppy...

and you might come away with a different view... check into Prescott Bush a little bit:

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
The Guardian, Saturday 25 September 2004 23.59 BST

Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

This family has been trying to usurp the US government for at least 3 generations. Just remember this.. just because *you* "don't buy" something doesn't mean it's not true. It might just mean that you're uninformed...

just sayin'.....

Peace,

Ghost

[Winterblues]

26. Maybe you could styudy a little histroy

Especially of the Bush family and Dulles. Bush ! seems to be the only person in America that can not recall where he was when JFK was killed although he was in Dallas that same day.

[Octafish]

33. ''BFEE'' is shorthand for the War Party--the people who lied America into two illegal, immoral wars.

The thing is, the BFEE is shorthand -- a nickname -- an easy handle -- to label
the traitors who have driven America and the planet to hell in a handbasket...



...they're the ones who kill innocent people for oil...

...the ones who let NAZIs escape justice to use them to dummy up the Cold War...

...Poppy alone's been around three presidents who got the ziggy...

...the ones who engineered the greatest bank heist ever...

So, please, show me where thousands of DUers and I are wrong and tell me America is A-OK. I'll listen.

From what we have seen, one class of people have gotten ahead at our expense -- the warmongers and their highly paid indentured servants, the Bush Family Evil Empire.

[Canuckistanian]

35. +!

Thanks, Octo...

I was wondering when you would show up to provide some elucidation.

[Canuckistanian]

34. The examples you quote are the "out-there" theories

But there are PLENTY of others you DO need to pay attention to.

See the VAST collected works of DUer Octafish. I'm sure you won't need any OTHER examples.

[Octafish]

44. Thank you, Canuckistanian.

It's like a hobby.



Crimestoppers! Know your Bush Family Evil Empire

Know your BFEE: Cultkeepers

Know your BFEE: It wasn’t Obama who Looted the Treasury and Banks. It was Bush and his Cronies.

Know your BFEE: John McCain, Dim Knight Errant of the War Party

Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

Know your BFEE: The Corrupt Bastards Club… with Lipstick

Know your BFEE: Olympic Games Show Who’s Best Friends Forever with Authoritarians and Dictators

Know your BFEE: 1984 Death of Outstanding Congressional Staffer Buried Poppy-Moon Relationship

Know your BFEE: Forget Rev. Wright! It’s Bush and His Cronies Who Owe an Apology for Rev. Moon!

Know your BFEE: GW Bush Covers Up His Lying America Into War

Know your BFEE: Bush and His Crooks with Badges Sent an Innocent Man to Jail

Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nation’s S&Ls for Power and Profit

Know your BFEE: War and Oil are just two longtime Main Lines of Business

Know your BFEE: Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.

Know your BFEE: Scions of the Military Industrial Complex

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

Know your BFEE: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ford Covered Up CIA Murder of American Scientist

Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace. Always.

Know your BFEE: They kill good soldiers like Col. Ted Westhusing for profit.

Know your BFEE: America’s Ruling Gangster Class

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and "Conspiracy Theorists" at Ford Funeral

Know your BFEE: Robert Gates did more than keep the doors open at BCCI

Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

Know your BFEE: Lies Are the Currency of Their Realm

Know your BFEE: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology

Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist


These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People

BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS

JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

Plame Affair makes clear: USA is run by TRAITORS.

How Cheney Got His SNEER: The Curse of Dick Cheney

Frank Church and the Abyss of Warrantless Wiretapping.


And for all my friends with those hard-to-reach areas between the ears:

A fact curiously missing from American history and any mention of the Warren Commission

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

The best part are the responses.

Note 1: The subject is a work in progress. The entries are not perfect, nor are they complete. They do provide a framework for a who's-who and what's-what and how we got here. Started for educational and historical purposes, these threads are meant to serve the public interest. What gives them a special quality are the contributions of DUers. May they also serve some prosecutor in the future.

Note 2: As no individual is totally evil or totally good, not all Bushes are evil or beholden to the BFEE. Nor are all those who gain by its existence members of the immediate or extended Bush family. Nor are the Bushes at the pinnacle of global power -- it is quite likely they serve an even wealthier class. What they all have in common is the use of the powers of the government of the United States for accumulating wealth and power for themselves, their associates and the other affiliated beneficiaries among the world's financial elite and authoritarian regimes. Always, they gain at the expense of the people and nations of the world, including the citizens of the United States and its Constitution.

[Canuckistanian]

50. LOL

You DO have a way with links!

You're a national treasure, Octafish!

[Octafish]

53. Aw, shucks.

I forgot one...

Know your BFEE: Dope Dealers & Money Launderers

Thanks, my Friend. You and the DUers on this thread made my day.

[Forkboy]

83. Jeez, that pic just made me throw up in my mouth a little.

[DaveinJapan]

45. The point of my post WAS the "out there" theories.

It makes discussion about REAL stuff (and yes I will certainly be checking out those links by Octafish) difficult when outrageous conspiracy claims are constantly made against one "evil" family (bad for America though I certainly agree they have been!).

[Canuckistanian]

48. Fair enough

Sometimes, the CT's tend to overpower the real stories and mask the TRUE narratives.

And that's exactly what the perpetrators want.

[leftstreet]

36. I don't see people saying 'everything' has gone wrong because of BFEE

but lots of information about its influence on the Military Indu$trial Congre$$ional Complex

[riderinthestorm]

37. I recced this thread not because of the OP but because I knew Octafish, Ghost, Bertman and others

would show up and put up their magnificent links again.

This point cannot be stressed enough about the Bush Family and their band of thieving cohorts - they have been manipulating events for decades. Fail to recognize that at your own risk because if you can attempt to follow what their interests are, what they invest in, where they put their money, time, energy, and effort, you can perhaps begin to understand the big picture and make sure that their criminal actions are never forgotten.

[Subdivisions]

39. I'm going to follow you on that...excellent opportunity to

see some of DU's own investigators' work again.

Good on ya!

[Octafish]

47. DU as a whole and DUers individually...

... One DUer told me about the great Dave Emory and his Spitfire List. An amazing resource that documents the rise of the Fascist International and its impact on our democracy. There, among many many others, we can hear interviews with Lucy Komisar and Jules Archer, the guy who did original reporting on Smedley Butler and the coup against FDR. These are just a handful of resources DUers know about, but people who listen to Corporate McPravda have never heard of.

Thank you for remembering, riderinthestorm. Very much appreciate you knowing what it's all about.

[defendandprotect]

58. Good thinking . . .

and that also goes for those here from time to time will comment that

Watergate was overrated!!

[Subdivisions]

38. If you don't believe the existance of the 'BFEE', then you obviously

haven't done any of your own research into them.

Stick to what you know and don't try to dispute what you don't. In this case, it would be the latter.

[DaveinJapan]

46. Where have I ever denied the fact that the Bush family has done no wrong?

Where have I "denied the existence"?

Talk about a twisting of the original comment!

No reason for the snarky attitude, you have no idea what I do or don't know. Besides, I'm just as much a detractor of that family as the next guy. I just don't think it's useful to try and pin every horror or unexplained setback for the Democrats in American history on the Bush family.

It plays right into the "victim" card. And makes it easy to be apathetic and claim "nothing will every change".

That's all I'm saying.

[Ardent15]

40. Read "American Dynasty; Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush

by Kevin Phillips.

http://www.amazon.com/American-Dynasty-Aristocracy-Fortune-Politics/dp/0143034316/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265075292&sr=8-1

[XemaSab]

41. My grandpa worked in the middle east from the 50s to the 70s

and he would NEVER vote for a Bush.

[defendandprotect]

49. If you're truly trying to understand what's being said . ..

you're going to have to broaden your info --

go back to Prescott Bush, Allen Dulles and their front companies raising money to

support Hitler and Nazi wars!

Their "advertisement for a GOP candidate" -- and eventually support of Nixon --

already a corrupt dealer.

And, evidently, you also think people are saying that these people themselves planned

these events and carried them out? No.

CIA planning -- and whatever "off-the-shelf" military aid they could get way back then --

and now, of course, Halliburton and Blackwater--

[Lost4words]

56. What do you buy?

[UTUSN]

57. You want a JOB with the B.F.F.E., --------- eh?!!!!!!!!!!!1 n/t

[earth mom]

59. The BFEE is part of a larger worldwide group of wealthy people who call the shots.

Google The Bilderberg Group.

Or watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-15EjHCzds part 1 of 5

[Uncle Joe]

67. The only person on this thread referring to them as genius is you.

If you have the resources, guile, connections and information, genius or intelligence has nothing to do with it, blackmail and/or pre-emption becomes easy.

The only question is, would your morals or ethics stand in the way of abusing this power?

As for the Bush Family, I don't believe it does.

[yodoobo]

71. Actually Lewinsky does have Republican connections

19 year girl renting a high dollar apartment next door to Bob Dole

Just a coincidence a I guess

[Octafish]

73. Lucianne Goldberg recommended Linda Tripp should tape Lewinsky about her relationship with WJC.

Literary Agent Was Behind Secret Tapes.

Her idiot son is Jonah Goldberg, the ultraconservative chickenhawk hack who wrote "Liberal Fascism."

[JackRiddler]

76. Incredible how this stuff goes down the memory hole even though it was public knowledge.

Not the affair, but the exposure of Lewinsky and the initial spin were entirely a Republican dirty tricks operation. I mean come on, who were the key figures? Lucianne "Watergate Soldier" Goldberg, Linda "Tapes Lewinsky" Tripp and Matt Drudge.

[TheWatcher]

78. Then Don't. Stay Asleep.

And thank you for sharing.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

80. Octafish -- calling Octafish!

He's all yours. :) :hi:

[Soylent Brice]

89. no shit. we need a "batsignal" of some sort for him.

[Octafish]

96. Thanks, Soylent Brice! You make me feel like somebody special...

Like one of my heroes, guitarist Leslie West of Mountain.

[omega minimo]

105. Methinks the OP doth protest too much.

[Octafish]

95. CRIMESTOPPERS! Know your BFEE.

Thank you for watching my back, Hell Hath No Fury.



As I make mistakes, I've long invited DUers to let me know what they find that is wrong so I can correct these posts, my Journal, etc.

Combined with the information added by thousands of DUers, my hope is to make these useful fpr people who never heard of the connections to Secret and Reactionary Government, Crony Capitalism, Warmongering and Treason.

Crimestoppers! Know your Bush Family Evil Empire

Know your BFEE: Cultkeepers

Know your BFEE: It wasn’t Obama who Looted the Treasury and Banks. It was Bush and his Cronies.

Know your BFEE: John McCain, Dim Knight Errant of the War Party

Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

Know your BFEE: The Corrupt Bastards Club… with Lipstick

Know your BFEE: Olympic Games Show Who’s Best Friends Forever with Authoritarians and Dictators

Know your BFEE: 1984 Death of Outstanding Congressional Staffer Buried Poppy-Moon Relationship

Know your BFEE: Forget Rev. Wright! It’s Bush and His Cronies Who Owe an Apology for Rev. Moon!

Know your BFEE: GW Bush Covers Up His Lying America Into War

Know your BFEE: Bush and His Crooks with Badges Sent an Innocent Man to Jail

Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nation’s S&Ls for Power and Profit

Know your BFEE: War and Oil are just two longtime Main Lines of Business

Know your BFEE: Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.

Know your BFEE: Scions of the Military Industrial Complex

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

Know your BFEE: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ford Covered Up CIA Murder of American Scientist

Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace. Always.

Know your BFEE: They kill good soldiers like Col. Ted Westhusing for profit.

Know your BFEE: America’s Ruling Gangster Class

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and "Conspiracy Theorists" at Ford Funeral

Know your BFEE: Robert Gates did more than keep the doors open at BCCI

Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

Know your BFEE: Lies Are the Currency of Their Realm

Know your BFEE: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology

Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist


These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People

BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS

JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

Plame Affair makes clear: USA is run by TRAITORS.

How Cheney Got His SNEER: The Curse of Dick Cheney

Know your BFEE: Dope Dealers & Money Launderers

BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

Frank Church and the Abyss of Warrantless Wiretapping.


And for all my friends with those hard-to-reach areas between the ears:

A fact curiously missing from American history and any mention of the Warren Commission

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory


Note 1: The subject is a work in progress. The entries are not perfect, nor are they complete. They do provide a framework for a who's-who and what's-what and how we got here. Started for educational and historical purposes, these threads are meant to serve the public interest. What gives them a special quality are the contributions of DUers. May they also serve some prosecutor in the future.

Note 2: As no individual is totally evil or totally good, not all Bushes are evil or beholden to the BFEE. Nor are all those who gain by its existence members of the immediate or extended Bush family. Nor are the Bushes at the pinnacle of global power -- it is quite likely they serve an even wealthier class. What they all have in common is the use of the powers of the government of the United States for accumulating wealth and power for themselves, their associates and the other affiliated beneficiaries among the world's financial elite and authoritarian regimes. Always, they gain at the expense of the people and nations of the world, including the citizens of the United States and its Constitution.

[Desertrose]

81. OK. It's easier not to....but that doesn't mean it doesn't have some truth...

or a lot of truth.

[EFerrari]

82. The American oligarchy thanks you for your skepticism.

:)

[Echo In Light]

108. Never underestimate the power of denial

"And people say, Oh, your conspiracy thing. Listen, don't be making fun of the word "conspiracy." It has meaning. Powerful people have convergent interests. They don't always need a meeting to decide on something. They inhabit the same clubs. They sit on the same boards. They have all this common ownership and they are very few in number. They control everything, and they do whatever they want. two-party system keeps the people at bay. They give them microwaves, fanny packs, sneakers with lights in the heels, dustbusters, to keep them distracted, keep them just calm enough that they're not going to try something." ~ George Carlin

http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2005/08/25.html

[TexasObserver]

85. The problem is you're ignorant and refuse to educate yourself.

Just because the history of the Bush family is far worse than you knew doesn't make it untrue. It just means you have maintained your ignorance in spite of a wealth of opportunity to learn better.

If you're so incurious you can't even invest the time figuring out the truth to these things, that's on you.

The Bush family DID back Hitler. Poppy Bush was a long time spook who was engaged in the Bay of Pigs. Read something besides things that agree with your world view.

[apocalypsehow]

91. You're about to get spammed with so many links - most of them to kook sites - and "studies" that you

won't know if you're coming or going by the time it's all said and done.

Occam's Razor is something those whom spout the "BFEE" meme have never quite grasped...

[CBR]

92. +1 exactly right nt

[Uncle Joe]

93. It's like Julius Caesar said, "Brutus put down that dagger, all of you don't need

to be stabbing me, one, two or three of you could have done the job!"

But apparently Occam's Razor and the idea of mass conspiracy being ludicrous wasn't thought up until some time later, so the Roman Senate couldn't have known and thus made their task endlessly more complex by using all that plurality.

It's a good thing humanity never makes the same mistakes, by succumbing to those eternal temptations of power, fear, lust, greed and conspiracy, thank God for Occam's Razor.

<snip>

"According to Plutarch, as Caesar arrived at the Senate Tillius Cimber presented him with a petition to recall his exiled brother.<98> The other conspirators crowded round to offer support. Both Plutarch and Suetonius say that Caesar waved him away, but Cimber grabbed his shoulders and pulled down Caesar's tunic. Caesar then cried to Cimber, "Why, this is violence!" ("Ista quidem vis est!").<99> At the same time, Casca produced his dagger and made a glancing thrust at the dictator's neck. Caesar turned around quickly and caught Casca by the arm. According to Plutarch, he said in Latin, "Casca, you villain, what are you doing?"<100> Casca, frightened, shouted "Help, brother!" in Greek ("ἀδελφέ, βοήθει!", "adelphe, boethei!"). Within moments, the entire group, including Brutus, was striking out at the dictator. Caesar attempted to get away, but, blinded by blood, he tripped and fell; the men continued stabbing him as he lay defenceless on the lower steps of the portico. According to Eutropius, around sixty or more men participated in the assassination. He was stabbed 23 times.<101> According to Suetonius, a physician later established that only one wound, the second one to his chest, had been lethal.<102>"

<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar

[donheld]

113. It's time for an Education

[Zoeisright]

114. Well, that's ridiculous.

There is no way that Democrats blame EVERYTHING on the BFEE. I can certainly blame 'everything' on repukes. Because 'everything' that is wrong with this country IS their fault.

They have stymied or try to squash every single issue that moves us forward as human beings, from medical research to voting rights to spending on infrastructure, while pushing everything bad: limitations on personal freedom, suffocating personal choice, letting polluters and corporations that kill off the hook, and allowing greed and capitalism to run rampant and damn near destroy this country.

THAT'S why I hate repukes. And blame them for everything.

[begin_within]

115. Additionally, they caused the 1906 Earthquake, the sinking of the Titanic, and the movie "Glitter"