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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 01:38 AM
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A Fishing Expedition to “Cure” the Gay: Bad Parents? Difficult Birth? Freemasonry?
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 01:42 AM by FreeState
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FYI - NARTH is the largest group of anti-gay "therapist" and is often used by anti-equality bigots.

Patrick Strudwick, a British reporter for the Independent, went under cover posing as a gay man wanting to be cured. His journey began at at a conference in London last spring put on by Joseph Nicolosi, founder of the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. From there, Patrick underwent “therapy” with one of Nicolosi’s acolytes:

She begins her wound hunt by asking about my family. I tell her that I have a close relationship with my parents and that they always gave me huge amounts of love, so I didn’t understand why Nicolosi says that homosexuality is caused by inadequate parenting. “Well, there was something happening within your family dynamics that led to your depression,” she says.

Lynne explains that people only identify as gay when they are already depressed. “There’s a confusion, there’s an anxiety, there’s a lot of pain,” she says. “Often the thought can be, ‘Oh I’m confused about my sexuality so I must be gay’.” She says that at the heart of homosexuality is a “deep isolation”, which is, she says, “where God needs to be”.

Did you have a difficult birth?” she asks. No, I say. Why?

“It’s just something I have noticed. Often (with homosexuality) it is quite traumatic, the baby was put into intensive care and because of the separation from the mother there can be that lack of attachment.

She moves on. “Any Freemasonry in the family?” No, I say, again asking her to elaborate. “Because that often encourages it as well. It has a spiritual effect on males and it often comes out as SSA.”


When you catch a cold, you generally know you caught it from a virus. Bipolar bipolar, Schizeophrenia, Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome can be caused by a number of things — typically biological in the first two, specific stressors in the third. But rarely when dealing with a pathology is one forced to undergo a wide-ranging fishing expedition where any insignificant detail can then become the thing that causes everything to go wrong. And if they can’t find what they’re looking for — Freemasonry? Really? — they’ll just keep digging, even if nothing is there:

began to constantly analyse why I found particular men attractive. Does that man represent something that’s lacking in me? Do I want him because he looks strong which must mean I feel weak? Did something happen in my childhood? The therapists planted doubt and worry where there was none.

My experiences, I learn, are typical. I speak to Daniel Gonzalez, one of Nicolosi’s former clients. “Conversion therapy is a very complicated form of repression,” he says. “It’s a way of convincing yourself that your same sex attractions have some alternate meaning. It continued to haunt me for years.”

I also speak to Peterson Toscano, who spent 17 years in Britain and the US trying every different reorientation treatment available. He says simply: “It’s psychological torture.”
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:08 AM
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1. These wackos are batshit crazy, but don't know it.
Edited on Mon Feb-01-10 02:09 AM by TexasObserver
She's trying to make being gay is physiologic condition that can be cured.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:52 AM
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5. Homosexuality is not a psychological disorder.
DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition), which was updated and published by the APA (the authorities on such things) back in the '70s, determined it was not a psychological disorder. These crazies, as you said, are not up to speed on these things... :crazy: :eyes:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 06:13 AM
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9. And not a physiological disorder either.
Only Bible based theory proposes it is.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 12:15 AM
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11. These crazies can "make" the Bible say anything...
When I was at boarding school, we had to read the Bible *sigh*, and I don't recall that subject being mentioned, Old or New Testament... :eyes:
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:26 AM
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2. being gay begins with depression?
really? How would she know? I suspect she doesn't know, it's just her opinion. He should have asked her if being gay is caused by depression, why do they call them gay?
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:32 AM
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3. Freemasonry is amazing!
Is there ANYTHING it can't do?
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:51 AM
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4. Freemansory? HAHAHAHA what new depths of insight into homosexuality!
Of all the attempts to create the case for curing homosexuality, I've never heard of Freemasonry as one! More often I've heard the bad parenting/nurture excuses though.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 03:01 AM
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6. A family member being a Mason causes The Gay?
Maybe that's why I like dudes, my folks are Catholic and the Church frowns on joining any group with sillier rituals than their own. Here I always figured it was because the object of my hopelessly hetero affections looks so hawt with his shirt off.

Crap, I never get in on any of the good conspiracies. :(
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 04:11 AM
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7. It was probably caused by too much sugar. nt
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 04:36 AM
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8. I wonder what "trauma" caused me to have green eyes?
What a load of bigoted crap. :puke:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-01-10 02:54 PM
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10. Yeah...and why do I, as a woman, find particular men attractive?
Does that man represent something that’s lacking in me? Do I want him because he looks strong, which must mean I feel weak? Did something happen in my childhood?

Well, yeah, maybe something did. Or my adulthood. Or he reminds me of my first boyfriend. Or I'm attracted to him because he has a mustache, and in a latent way that reminds me of how much I admired Mark Spitz when he won his seven gold medals and that's coming out in the form of an attraction to this guy with a mustache. Who the hell knows?

The stupid thing is, in me, all this is considered normal, but if a man expresses the same sort of attraction, or if I were to say I was attracted to a woman, these people would think it was proof that I had suffered some sort of trauma that caused something to "go wrong."
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