Nobody sems to have pointed out the link between bush's pointing out the targets

[frogcycle]

and yesterday's suicide car bomb attack against one of those targets. Yesterday's attack was a replay of the Lebanon attack. We had soldiers billeted in a poorly-protected area and a suicid car bomb was driven into their midst. They were not out on patrol, even TRYING to fulfill the phoney mission. They were on their "patrol base" - no doubt one of the ones whose location our dear leader put on a map on the television just days before. We put them there to - what was it? clamp down on the violence and make the streets safe? How about serve as sitting ducks to draw fire?

Not only is the "surge" not working, but these soldiers were ordered to their death by their CinC. And then he gave the bad guys the coordinates.

[SpiralHawk]

1. Commander AWOL pointed, and the Terrorists stuck

Thanks a pantload for pointing out the the terrorists where our American soldiers are, Mr. "Bring 'em on." You AWOL slacker chickenhawk republicon.

Hope you are having a swell time safe on the golf course with your
chickenhawk republicon war profiteers -- who never served America one minute.

[frogcycle]

2. somebody should read the Charge of the Light Brigade

to General Petraeus. Ask him how he feels about being personally responsible for perpetuating the myth. So many top brass of integrity have gotten canned or reassigned, so many didn't give bush the advice he wanted last Fall when he was "decidering," so many retired brass have spoken out, and yet bush finds this guy to support his wish to continue tilting at windmills.

If he had one shred of decency he'd admit that he is in it for the future rewards, apologize, and resign. Or fall on his damned sword.

That whole episode was like Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre, only far, far worse. He wasn't just trying to duck impeachment, he was trying to find a willing coconspirator in further crime.

[Make7]

3. Maybe because there wasn't one. ( n/t )

[frogcycle]

4. try persuading the right wing of that had it been Pelosi with the map

[Make7]

5. Why don't you first try persuading me that your assertions are correct?

Edited to add bracketed text in second quote

frogcycle wrote:

Nobody sems to have pointed out the link between bush's pointing out the target and yesterday's suicide car bomb attack against one of those targets.

...he gave the bad guys the coordinates.

If Bush gave them the coordinates, why don't you simply provide some evidence? Post the map Bush used to point out the targets, and then post the location of the bombing in question. Demonstrate that there actually is a link and I will shout it from the rooftops, but if the bombing was at a location other than one of those presented by Bush then I cannot honestly say that he pointed out the target for that bombing.

frogcycle wrote:

try persuading the right wing of that [there was no link] had it been Pelosi with the map

Is it your goal to be no more truthful than the right wing would be?

- Make7

[file83]

6. This shouldn't be difficult to research...

I heard about Bush doing something like that. Did he list the locations or point to them on a map?

Where have the bombs been going off the last few days?

Let's place those locations in Google Earth and see if we see a pattern.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

13. Don't forget "Google Images" for pics of Bush with map and truck bomb aftermath

[ProgressiveEconomist]

7. Are you referring to Dubya's Grand Rapids speech? There's a video link at URL

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news in the first entry for April 20th. Somebody with the right software could freeze a frame from the video of his speech to the "World Affairs Council" and post it in this thread.

I remember glimpsing Dubya pointing to a map of Iraq on some news show during the last few days. Given Dubya's mouthful of marbles and reluctance to appear before non-military audiences, I can't imagine there was more than one public encounter of Dubya with a map during the last few days. But I could be wrong.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

8. Is THIS an Geraldo moment for Dubya, revealing contemporary troop positions

.on the ground in Iraq?

If so, be sure to grab the whitehouse.gov video I linked in my previous post--it won't be up long.

Paragraph 15 of the WH press release at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070420-6.html :

"... we're changing. Part of our strategy change, part of the new mission in Baghdad is for American troops to live and work side by side with Iraqi forces at small neighborhood posts called joint security stations. You can see from this map, there are now more than two dozen joint security stations located throughout Baghdad; more are planned. From these stations, Iraqi and American forces work together to clear out and then secure neighborhoods -- all aimed at providing security for the people of Baghdad. If a heavy fight breaks out, our forces will step in, and Iraqi forces learn valuable skills from American troops; they'll fight shoulder to shoulder with the finest military every assembled.

By living in Baghdad neighborhoods, American forces get to know the culture and concerns of local residents. Equally important, the local residents get to know them. When Iraqi civilians see a large presence of professional soldiers and police patrolling their streets, they grow in confidence and trust. ..."

[Jim Lane]

11. I can't imagine this was a secret

Apparently a "joint security station" is in a Baghdad neighborhood and has U.S. and Iraqi troops living there, using it as a base from which to launch missions in the area. You couldn't possibly keep such a facility secret.

I'd love to see evidence that Bush actually disclosed information that the insurgents could use and didn't already have, but I'm not holding my breath.

[jberryhill]

9. Call me stupid

But is the idea here that Iraqis didn't know the locations of deployments in their own neighborhoods until they were shown a map on TV?

These places are disguised as, what, bakeries or something?

[Oilwellian]

10. I think you're missing the bigger picture

You have a point, the Iraqis probably already know where the troops are positioned...what is so apparent though is, these troops are in very dangerous areas with very little protection. Instead of our men going out during the day to secure an area and then return to a safe zone at days end, they're now being forced to LIVE in the areas they patrol. It's a recipe for disaster.

[jberryhill]

14. I absolutely agree with that

There's no question that it is a dangerous and stupid idea to disperse small units in hostile territory.

My point was that showing this map didn't tell anyone in Iraq anything they didn't already know.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

12. Also, it's doubtful that truck-bomb attacks are planned at neighborhood levels,

rather than at central Al-Qaeda command posts. Dumbya's apparent provision of a complete official map of target locations to the world must simplify considerably the job of finding the weakest links.

I rather suspect that Dubya's apparently detailed map threatens substantally more continuing danger for US troops than did Geraldo's lines in the sand with a stick. And, remember how thoroughly and how loge Geraldo was pilloried for his indiscretion?

This would be a GREAT story for Keith Olbermann, wouldn't it?

[jberryhill]

15. "central Al-Qaeda command posts"

Umm.... if there were such things, this would be a very different kind of conflict.