How long do you think this stupid nightmare of a war will go on?

[Philosoraptor]

Months? Up to or beyond the next election? Longer? Literally forever maybe?

Till they run out of money? Till America runs out of patience? Till we run out of soldiers? Till glorious victory is achieved?

How. Fucking. Long?

[Hubert Flottz]

1. Until the PEOPLE demand an end to it.

Impeaching Bush would stop it.

[Philosoraptor]

2. I wonder how long that will take?

It looks like it could just go on and on, I've been wondering for too many years now.

[Hubert Flottz]

3. 60% are against the war now the other 40 % don't know about it yet.

They've been watching FOX and believing Cheney.

The Founders never saw TV coming.

[Lasher]

4. Junior said we'll stay in Iraq as long as he his president

I'm sure that was his intention all along.

You don't expect him to clean up his own mess do you? He never has.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. I expect him to make an even bigger mess than he already has.

That's why congress should impeach him ASAP!

[elocs]

11. Right, because President Cheney would immediately pull out the troops.

Impeachment without conviction is like sex without orgasm--ultimately unsatisfying. The process of impeachment would be the ultimate distraction for Bush and unless he is convicted and unless Cheney is first or at the same time, the war goes on. Sadly, the war will most likely go on until after January 2009.

[Hubert Flottz]

13. So just give up and give in...right?

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[elocs]

17. Think it through, think it through, think it through.

Use your brain as well as your emotions. Impeachment, for many, is the be-all and end-all solution for many for everything. Will it make you feel all better when Bush is impeached and then not convicted? Why do you think Pelosi says that impeachment is off the table--because she can count and knows there are not 67 votes to convict in the Senate. How long do you think a contentious impeachment process might take? Maybe too long? Impeachment will not stop this war.

[Hubert Flottz]

18. You don't know until you try.

Once the impeachment starts and the public sees ALL the facts laid bare, we just might have the votes! Republicans STILL work for the voters you know. You can't predict the future any better than I can. To do nothing is as bad as being a GOPer!

[elocs]

20. So unless it is impeachment that is being done, then nothing is being done?

Interesting logic. I am sure our Democratic members of Congress and all of their staffs would be happy to know that they are doing nothing if they are not doing impeachment. Maybe I cannot predict the future, but unlike other criminal cases we all know exactly who the jury will be in an impeachment case and how they might likely vote. Feel free to disagree, but save the "To do nothing is as bad as being a GOPer!" That is coming perilously close to breaking the rules here because the greatest indication that you have lost an argument is when you accuse those who disagree with you as being a GOPer, a freeper, a Republican. There are a lot of good Democrats who are not constantly screaming about impeachment. Speaker Pelosi is one and my own Senator Feingold is another.

[Hubert Flottz]

22. SOS!

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[izzie]

5. EIther until Bush is out of office or wakes up. I do not think

He will wake up. He comes from a style of life that believes 'blood lines' are the thing that makes rulers. So he has the 'right' to be our ruler and make war and so be it. 'You are wrong and I am right' is a bad deal in this type of govt. and Bush seems to be trying to re-work that govt. to fit that belief. What we need is talent in office, and a return to the people making their own errors or not.

[demnan]

6. At least 5 years

I saw a bumpersticker the other day it said, "Leave the war in Iraq? Get real. We're still in Korea."

[SteelPenguin]

24. Yeah, I was going to say 6

I've heard estimates that it'll take 8 months to simply remove the equipment. That we have so much materiel over there right now that if it were a caravan it would stretch from Key West to LA unbroken or something like that. We're not going to abandon all our stuff, so we're looking at probably at least a year just to extract ourselves.

Plus that 8 months is supposedly in the best of circumstances, ie a peaceful environment. As it is even if we wanted to leave immediately, it would proabbly take a year and a half, or two years, just to get one unit out at a time, without endangering either our troops or our supplies. We can't just leave all our ammo dumps over their unguarded.

Then of course the question becomes at what point will people be satisfied. 20,000 troops on bases outside of the cities where they occasionally go into an area to help 'contain' the civil war and prevent massive scale genocide? Will people be fine with that if our troops stop dying on a daily basis? Maybe it WILL be like Korea.

Still, I don't see Bush caving on this. We can defund the war and he'll leave our troops over their with no bullets and blame the Democratic leadership for it. He's not going to pull out troops for any reason, because he's a stuborn fool. So we're looking at the earliest January 2009 at having a President, hopefully, who wants to withdraw the troops, and from there it will be at least 2 years, and even then there's no guarantee it'll happen that fast. They won't want to seem like they're running even if they are withdrawing. So they'll draw down over the course of 3-4 years. Significant at first, then slowly getting to a managable level.

5-6 years from now.

[newyawker99]

30. Hi SteelPenguin!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[leftchick]

7. too fucking long after Looking at this bill passed by congress

yes there is a statement for pulling back combat troops. Yet that leaves in place 75,000 or so support troops, god knows how many civilians in the US palace, the us bases will be staffed and there are still 126,000 US "contractors" operating in Iraq. Yes it appears The US will be a presence in the Iraq and the ME as long as there is oil.

:(

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. Forever...

because we're letting it. :(

[A wise Man]

9. Til the return of

"HALEY'S COMET".

[Vinca]

12. January, 2009. nt

[Ganja Ninja]

19. It will probably take about 6 months or so to get all the troops out.

So by the summer of 2009 we should be out of it.

[genie_weenie]

26. I don't think the Dem winner will Bring our boys home

by that date, save Kucinich. I'm thinking another 2 years post election, so the Democratic winner can claim She/He tried to salvage this mess...

So 4 years.

[soothsayer]

14. Vietnam took place under FIVE presidents.

[camero]

15. Til the soon to be economic collapse.

It should be obvious that we can't keep spending more and more on war without repercussions of some sort economically.

[Lasher]

27. That's an interesting prediction

And quite possibly true. For a precenent we need look back no further than the collapse of the Soviet Union.

[wiggs]

33. Or until the oil runs out. nt

[bdamomma]

16. it will keep on going until we make it known that enough is enough

Iraq did not do anything to us.

[bemildred]

21. It will probably take a civil insurrection. Vietnam damn near did.

These weasels will not give up power and restore the Constitution without a fight.

[Virginia Dare]

23. About as long as the chimp is allowed to remain in office...n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

25. Forever. The genie is out of the bottle.

It will never end, it may diminish a little at times.

Thank you, GWB.

[JHB]

29. Depends on what happens to Darth today

If it's worse than a "blood clot", it could put the brains of the operation out of commission.

[JoMama49]

31. Remember, Chimpy's friends are making mega bucks every

day this horror continues -- they'll keep it going as long as they can -- stuffing their pockets as our soldiers and the Iraqi citizens die.

[Rydz777]

32. Until Tuesday, January 20, 2009

That's Inauguration Day when a Democrat will take office as President. My strongest hope, however, is that our Democratic Congress will have the political will to use the power of the purse to bring this disaster to an end long before January 2009. The best way to support our troops is to bring them home alive NOW.