Are DUers watching KO

[malaise]

Did you hear Richard Wolfe?
The WH is investigating the systemic failure and whether it was deliberate???
This isn't far from my cynical view that the Nigerian was a patsy.
Nice discussion with Arianna.

[deminks]

1. Not merely that the ball was dropped,

but possibly that the ball was deliberately dropped. As in information deliberately withheld.

Yes, I was listening. Why am I not surprised?

[malaise]

3. Special comment on Cheney now

Go Keith!

[LSparkle]

2. Chilling ...

I've often wondered if there aren't people internally
who aren't rooting for Obama's success (not just trolls
like Darth Cheney).

Great new "short comment" segment thus far!

[malaise]

4. Cheney is a traitor to the United States

Bravo Keith.

[NightWatcher]

5. you mean the CIA being behind a false flag targeting the US?

[malaise]

7. Could be some left over Cheney bots

I really don't know but there's something very strange about that Christmas day attempted bombing.

[NightWatcher]

8. the "Cheney bots" are GHWB bots and have been in place since the 70's

[malaise]

23. Time to say Goodbye

:evilgrin:

[Warpy]

6. I'm not altogether sure it was deliberate in the way they mean

but every president I can ever remember has complained about how law enforcement agencies never seem to communicate with each other, each jealously guarding the information they get so that a "competing" agency won't get the glory of making the bust.

It's a disgusting mindset that will eventually get more of us killed, but it's such a persistent one that I doubt even Obama will be able to change it.

[deminks]

15. KO mentions 2 possible deliberate motives to be discussed

1. Interagency fighting as you mentioned
2. Someone wants to make someone look bad. (as in Cheney, is that you?)

[jberryhill]

55. 2 is a species of 1 there - but a virulent one

[euphoria12leo]

9. I'm watching

Why did Abdul Mudallad leave the bathroom? Are people undermining the Obama administration?

[GoCubsGo]

16. Bush left a number of appointees "burrowed" into the government

He gave them civil service jobs, which would be more difficult for President Obama to get rid of them. I would not put it past any of them to undermine President Obama in any way they can. However, as Warpy pointed out above, it could just as easily have been an inter-agency pissing match.

[malaise]

18. Good post

I hope he investigates to the max.

[euphoria12leo]

25. Pat Buchanan

was on Hardball a while back suggesting people in the CIA still report to Dick Cheney. Chris Matthews wasn't too happy with the
idea. Did Buchanan slip or is it true? I wonder, something is wrong.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

63. You mean that Leon Panetta purged all of the people in the CIA

that were part of the Cheney assassination program back in May? Doubtful.

[euphoria12leo]

66. All the undesirables are still there.

Doing business the same way.

[kjackson227]

81. Yep, I remember hearing this also...

and if this is true (which I have no doubt that it is), our intelligence agencies have stooped to a new all time low. Putting politics above the safety of the American people should be regarded as treason. If possible, everyone appointed and/or hired by the crime family Bush Administration should be terminated. Might not be a reasonable or easy task, but I sure would try. There are a lot of people in high places who are out to sabotage this president, AND they don't care who gets caught in the cross-fire (meaning American citizens).

[euphoria12leo]

82. The only way the president can put a stop

to this is to go back and clean house. Then we can continue to move forward. Maybe he'll open his eyes and see these people cannot be trusted. And I know their will always be a threat out there but put a dent in some of these treasonous activities. Remember Michael Scheuer was on fox and said, America's only hope is for OBL to attack us again. These people are freaking scum and they want power again no matter what it takes.

:scared:

[O is 44]

10. I'm watching..

should be doing homework though, but so far so good. I am starting to feel cynical as well. I have doubts that anyone will be fired over this. I really wish President Obama would fire these Bush/Cheney loyalist, these people are loyal to party not country. Spot on Keith about Cheney and our complicit media.

[malaise]

13. FIre those responsible whether it was deliberate or not

Enough already. Clean up the agencies and remove the Bushbots.
Cheney is a traitor - he cannot be trusted.
Nice Evan Coleman.

[YvonneCa]

45. Get thee to thy...

...homework. :7

[proud patriot]

11. yep

watching

[coti]

12. Ouch.

That could be fairly characterized as an investigation into treason.

[malaise]

14. About time

investigations for treason started.

[Parker CA]

21. Depending on how this unravels, this could he the beginning if the end for Cheney et al. nt

[GoCubsGo]

73. Not just Cheney...

If it turns out there was deliberate withholding of information in order to embarrass President Obama, it could do in the entire GOP. Imagine the reaction of the right wing bed-wetters if they find out that the people who claim to be the best at "keeping us safe" were deliberately making them and the rest of us unsafe for political purposes. We'll be up to our eyeballs in exploded heads.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. This is fascinating

[malaise]

24. Put the fuckers on the defensive

and let them quake about treason.
KOs repeating this as Breaking News.
The WH is investigating whether this was intentional and not accidental - WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF indeed!!!!

[Nikki Stone1]

19. I'm thinking the manufacturer of the "Rapescan" machine used the underware guy to create a market

And had some help from the inside. Political donations. Also had the mysteriously uninterviewable "savior" of the flight available close at hand.
:tinfoilhat:

[KittyWampus]

50. that is a hefty tinfoil theory you have there. I think I'll buy into. We have no proof

but it does have a whiff of truth to it.

[Nikki Stone1]

53. I felt like tinfoil today. You saw the hat, right?

:)

:tinfoilhat:

[Gin]

74. thank you for saying what I have been thinking....that scanner

is and was very unpopular....not anymore....my tin foil says anything is possible..

[dgibby]

20. Keith is on a roll tonight!

About time somebody in the press took on Darth.

[Kahuna]

22. Ya know. I've been wondering if maybe a cheney hack may have

LIHOP. cheney seems to want it so desperately.

[nashville_brook]

29. sounds like it could have been a dirty trick to set a mousetrap to force Obama further

into someone else's idea of "strong national security."

that's my spin.

[malaise]

34. Possible especially when you try to cash in

after the attempted bombing.

[Raine]

26. I LOVE KO

one of the few that I trust for the truth. :thumbsup:

[nashville_brook]

27. we had to rewind it on the TIVO, just to make sure we were hearing correctly.

wow. and it sounds like the White House is out in front of this idea.

[malaise]

28. Watch those fuggers quake

The word treason has meaning.

Rachel will be continuing this discussion now.

[nashville_brook]

30. it's "must see TV" -- the only kind I know. :)

[deminks]

31. Rachel reporting it as breaking news as well. Has Richard on the phone.

[IndianaGreen]

32. He is on Rachel Maddow now

[myrna minx]

33. I'm going to have to watch Countdown again to make sure I heard this all correctly!

Wow.

[malaise]

36. Mindblowing

Two great programs tonight. I'm lovin' it.
Can you imagine the conference calls among ReTHUGS right now. I hope their support for wiretapping is backfiring about now. :rofl:

[myrna minx]

42. Seriously! I'm tuning again right now. n/t

[spanone]

35. k&r

it seems to be more about gitmo than yemen to me

[malaise]

37. Very possible

That and fundraising using national security as the calling card.
They need to be reminded 9/11 happened under their watch, so did anthrac and so did the attempted shoe bombing. Funny how neither of those went off but governments had to spend millions to secure airports.

[spanone]

38. i put nothing past them....nothing.

attempted mass murder....

[malaise]

39. +1

nothing.

[Neecy]

40. What's interesting about this....

Is that Richard Wolffe wrote the first book about the Obama campaign, was given very broad access within the campaign (and by Obama himself) and took part in some of the election day basketball games. In other words, the guy has sources like gold. If the White House wanted to get some collars hot around DC Wolffe would be the logical person to leak it to.

[malaise]

60. Excellent point

but remember that he was viewed as a double agent working for Bushco.

[goldcanyonaz]

41. I wouldn't watch him if you paid me.

He's a gross piece of shit.

[lunatica]

43. Did anyone here offer to pay you?

Did you unrec too?

[HughMoran]

44. Define "gross piece of shit"

Are you being sarcastic or...?

[goldcanyonaz]

51. He was a misogynistic pos during the primaries and I don't watch him

If you do, so be it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

67. Please share one of those misogynistic utterances. I'm curious.

Real quotes with sources, or video links, please.

[blondeatlast]

68. He didn't care for the PUMAs and even alluded to the fact they weren't helping

Hillary Clinton.

for the way overly sensitive, that's douchebaggery, I guess. :shrug:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

72. I imagined so. But I like to give people the benefit of doubt. So, I'm waiting.

You read that, goldcanyonaz?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

86. Heh. 24 hours and nothing, as I expected. Just stupid baseless BS.

Fuck, PUMAs are pathetic.

[Lilith Velkor]

78. He was FOOLED during the primaries, just like a lot of DU was.

He's over that now.

I find him somewhat entertaining, but that's because I have an appreciation for crass humor. (When I visit my friend with the TV once a week, we watch only that show, because I can't watch Tweety and he can't watch Rachel. It leaves us time for making dinner and watching a DVD.)

[H2O Man]

47. Gosh.

Crushing.

[goldcanyonaz]

52. Crushing as a woman to watch a misogynistic POS like him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Funny I am a woman and he wasn't

but partisans tend to see things I don't...

Such is life...

Shall we say that ALL campaigns, especially the last two standing, were going for blood? And he reported it, all of it. I guess he'd be ok if he only reported half of it.

[goldcanyonaz]

58. As a woman I refuse to watch him and I'm not the only one sine his ratings

are in the toilet.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

54. Your comment however is... poetry?

Unbelievable. Don't concern yourself with the message, whatever you do. :eyes:

[goldcanyonaz]

59. Heh, you're one of the 150,000 that watch him.

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

69. Which is 150,000 more than are watching you.

Your pets don't count, sorry.

[H2O Man]

71. Some people are

only comfortable within the context of herds.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

83. Better to see without blinders on.

[TicketyBoo]

75. You are just plain

WRONG.

[Kingofalldems]

46. Calling all whistleblowers

This could be big.

[H2O Man]

48. It's interesting to consider

which former VP has plants in the federal government.

[malaise]

84. Cheney and GHW Bush

for sure

[Oldtimeralso]

49. Keith, If you Keep Talking Like That....

you better avoid small airplanes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. If this was done on purpose

here is the next obvious question... WHO will face a firing squad?

Yes I do make one exception for the death penalty, not that it is effective mind you... that is treason.

[xiamiam]

61. thom hartman also mentioned that cherthoff has financial interest in the body scanning machines..nt

reminds me of rumsfelds interest in tamiflu and the bird flu scare ..and that the govt bought all the tamiflu

[malaise]

64. Even David Gregory the hack

mentioned Chertoff's links to the body scanning firm's lobby group.

[LWolf]

62. No. nt

[mod mom]

65. I'm interested in how this is related to Kurt Haskell (MI ATTY from Flight 253):

Flight 253 passenger Kurt Haskell: 'I was visited by the FBI'
By Aaron Foley | MLive.com
December 31, 2009, 9:41AM


Following up on a visit from FBI officials about an eyewitness account first described to MLive.com, Michigan attorney Kurt Haskell described the visit in comment sections across MLive on Wednesday.

Haskell and his wife, Lori, were aboard Flight 253 when Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab allegedly tried to destroy the plane. They say another man tried to help Abdulmutallab board the plane in Amsterdam.

Haskell had two detailed posts in two different stories. Here is Part One, originally posted here (Nothing below in the indent has been changed. Only links have been added.):

Today is the second worst day of my life after 12-25-09. Today is the day that I realized that my own country is lying to me and all of my fellow Americans. Let me explain.
Ever since I got off of Flight 253 I have been repeating what I saw in US Customs. Specifically, 1 hour after we left the plane, bomb sniffing dogs arrived. Up to this point, all of the passengers on Flight 253 stood in a small area in an evacuated luggage claim area of an airport terminal. During this time period, all of the passengers had their carry on bags with them. When the bomb sniffing dogs arrived, 1 dog found something in a carry on bag of a 30 ish Indian man. This is not the so called "Sharp Dressed" man. I will refer to this man as "The man in orange". The man in orange, who stood some 20ft away from me the entire time until he was taken away, was immediately taken away to be searched and interrogated in a nearby room. At this time he was not handcuffed. When he emerged from the room, he was then handcuffed and taken away. At this time an FBI agent came up to the rest of the passengers and said the following (approximate quote) "You all are being moved to another area because this area is not safe. I am sure many of you saw what just happened (Referring to the man in orange) and are smart enough to read between the lines and figure it out." We were then marched out of the baggage claim area and into a long hallway. This entire time period and until we left customs, no person that wasn't a law enforcement personnel or a passenger on our flight was allowed anywhere on our floor of the terminal (or possibly the entire terminal) The FBI was so concerned during this time, that we were not allowed to use the bathroom unless we went alone with an FBI agent, we were not allowed to eat or drink, or text or call anyone. I have been repeating this same story over the last 5 days. The FBI has, since we landed, insisted that only one man was arrested for the airliner attack (contradicting my account). However, several of my fellow passengers have come over the past few days, backed up my claim, and put pressure on FBI/Customs to tell the truth. Early today, I heard from two different reporters that a federal agency (FBI or Customs) was now admitting that another man has been held (and will be held indefinitely) since our flight landed for "immigration reasons." Notice that this man was "being held" and not "arrested", which was a cute semantic ploy by the FBI to stretch the truth and not lie.

-snip

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_kurt_hask.html

[blondeatlast]

70. Video here, about 3;15 in. Wow.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann#34694889

[malaise]

76. Thanks for the link

:hi:

[Blue Owl]

77. If they find it was a deliberate false flag attempt

will they EXPOSE it as such?

I sure as hell hope so, for the sake of our country's future.

We cannot use bullshit to justify starting another goddamned optional war that will make just BU$HCO richer.

[amborin]

79. glaring red flags: pay with cash; 1-way ticket; no luggage===major airport blunder n/t

[malaise]

80. How is paying in cash a red flag

The majority of people on the planet do most of their transactions with cash.

[amborin]

85. paying in cash is a red flag for airlines

drug dealers do it, for starters...

the thinking apparently is that terrorists also do:

http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2004/05/security.html


in fact....terrorists also love the "off the shelf" pay as you go, no contract cell phones.....

no way to trace the calls to any specific individual....

well now, in many parts of the world you have to show all kinds of ID to purchase one off the shelf and start it up and use its SIM card

but back to airlines: paying for your tix in cash normally flags a person