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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:34 AM
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Focus on the Family May Run Pro-Life Super Bowl Ad Featuring Tim Tebow's Mom
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- When football fans watch the Super Bowl next year, they may see a pro-life ad from Focus on the Family focusing on the mother of potential future NFL star Tim Tebow. Tebow is the Heisman Trophy winner and University of Florida star quarterback whose mother decided not to abort him in a crisis pregnancy.

The Super Bowl ad would be costly -- as a spot during the game and three 30-second commercials before it would reportedly run about $4 million -- but provides a unique exposure to a large national and international audience.

The ad, according to multiple sources, reportedly features the story of Tebow's birth.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat5834.html

Gah!
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:35 AM
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1. I will boycot the Super Bowl then
I do not wish to see religious propaganda mixed in with my football. Tim Tebow really is a zero, a nothing.
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:24 PM
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49. Really? A zero? A nothing? He is a human being and a good athlete
at least.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:18 PM
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This from a man who wants to dictate reproductive rights to others. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:36 AM
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2. rust never sleeps
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:39 AM
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3. I'm not watching. For the first time in my life I haven't watched any football this season.
It's like any addiction, first you quit, then just don't go there.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:42 AM
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4. Well, I'd sure rather have them do that than protesting outside
Planned Parenthood clinics & trying to kill Abortion Docs! There are kots of other 30 sec. ads on the SB show that I ignore. I'll just include that one!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:33 AM
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17. It opens the door, though, for religious prosyletizing to take over
ads for all kinds of events and venues... I won't watch either, but I'll be surprised if they turn away any source of ad revenue this year, given the economic climate. It is a double edged sword, though, and one the networks would be wise to consider before embracing.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:13 PM
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47. It's Already Happened...
The other day on my teevee there was a commercial about "Come home to the Catholic Church" and I regularly see spots for the LDS. And that's not to mention all those religious channels on my cable I pay for but never watch.

There's no reason why the network shouldn't air it and take their money. Doubtful it will change any minds...and those that it does were weak to begin with.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:18 PM
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48. The door is already open to groups who have enough money to buy airtime, like FOF. nt
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:44 AM
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5. I don't even watch football, so....
I can easily avoid this!
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:48 AM
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6. I hope she does it and I hope it makes the country sick to it's stomach.
I hope it's self-righteous and judgemental, projecting a holier-than-thou, exclusive air of superiority. And most of all I hope it wakes this country up to what these freaks really are all about. Separation and destruction of all who do not see this world through their deluded, pathetic eyes.
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:53 AM
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7. I wish people would keep their religion to themselves
In a perfect world religion would not exist. We must ignore people who talk about their religion. They will go away eventually.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:59 AM
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9. It'll only be about religion if it talks about religion.
Not all pro-lifers are religious. That's a myth.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:57 AM
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8. I don't watch the Super Bowl. I do watch some of the ads online, after the fact.
The clever, interesting ones. I won't be watching this one.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:01 AM
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10. Is that a form of tampering?
Is his mom his agent trying to impress the NFL by showing he can squeeze through a tight opening, pass against a tough defense and emerge victorious?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:32 PM
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38. Like a camel through the eye of a needle? n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:10 AM
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11. Good. Let them waste their money.
Hope it's sandwiched between commercials for Enzyte and Viagra.

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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:13 AM
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12. And, it will be a lot of money wasted.
Don't Superbowl commercials cost millions?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:15 AM
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13. I will boycott the Super Bowl this year...
...never really watch, but usually do have it on the tube just because... well, it is the Super Bowl.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:17 AM
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14. Well, that's some serious money these "pro-lifers" could have used to help many living families.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 12:02 AM
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77. how many pregnant women without healthcare could they help ?
where are they when help for poor families is being cut or eliminated? Why aren't they at least lobying for full healthcare coverage for every pregnant woman and every child from birth to 18?
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 12:21 AM
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78. Yeah, I posted something like that below
How many more babies would be saved by free healthcare than will be saved by all the anti-choice ads and clinic bombings?

But, of course, saving babies is not the goal at all.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:29 AM
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15. Mute it,turn the TV off,leave the room----Lots of choices.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:30 AM
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16. They will never understand that pro-choice people ...
... see nothing wrong with young women in "crisis pregnancies" choosing to have the baby. I, for one, am glad she had the choice.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:40 PM
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34. Yep.
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 12:41 PM by Feron
Nobody is slamming women who ,when faced with a surprise pregnancy, choose to have a baby.

Focus on the Family and their ilk are called anti-choice for a reason. They want to force everyone to live a singular approved lifestyle. Like in the bad old days when a single woman was forced to give her child up for adoption. Or women who would die because they were denied access to a safe abortion. Or denying a gay couple the chance to give a foster child a forever home.

It's not about saving babies, helping women, or even women's health: It's all about control.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:46 AM
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18. Everyone needs to flood the local station with complaints when it is aired.
It appears that the Super Bowl will be televised on CBS.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:50 AM
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19. $4 million for a 30-second ad
I wonder how the folks laid off by Focus on the Family in this past year feel about that expenditure? The message I'd get would be "you are worth less to us than 30 seconds."
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:57 AM
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20. you mean they may run an 'anti medical procedure' ad
it is not 'pro' anything
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66 dmhlt Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:07 AM
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21. If you recall, back in 2004 CBC banned ads by MoveOn & PETA
They said it was against CBS policy to show ads that were political or social during the Superbowl

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/2/2/cbs_censorship_at_super_bowl_network
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:07 AM
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22. I wonder how much money the mother
will receive out of this. This is dedregation to the nth degree. It is shameful. Publicity know no bounds.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:40 AM
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23. it's Tebow's self-righteousness that will be his downfall - painting bible verses on your game face
is just uncool. now this. as if i needed any more reasons to despise gladiator sports.

and, the irony... save the unborn so they may grow up as human fodder for our Colosseum games.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:47 PM
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53. It's Tebow's style of play that will be his downfall
Jimmy Johnson, who as a two-time Super Bowl winner would know, says Tim Tebow's not capable of playing in an NFL offensive formation. Says Jimmy:

"I don't think Tim Tebow can play in the NFL if it's in a pro style of offense. I think I think that if somebody’s gonna draft Tim Tebow, they’ve gotta do one of two things. They’ve either gotta say, 'OK he’s gonna be an H-back, he’s gonna be a blocker and a sometimes receiver' or if I’m gonna have him as a quarterback, I’m gonna have to change my entire offense and probably oughta change my coach, hire me a coach who’s gonna run a spread offense and be able to use Tim Tebow in that fashion, but in a pro style of offense, I don’t think Tim Tebow can be successful."
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:20 PM
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64. I've got a copy of UFC 108 if you want it. LOL.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:04 PM
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71. I hated that he was allowed to do it.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:48 AM
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24. One More Reason To Skip the Stupid Thing
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:53 AM
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25. I'm guessing that won't happen
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 11:53 AM by fishwax
and that the suggestion of it on the "life news" site is simply for publicity.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:54 AM
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26. I Thought It Was an Immaculate Conception?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:56 AM
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27. "the story of Tebow's birth" Oh, the one with the star and everything?

:rofl:

All that money could go to worthy causes, but NOOOOOOOOOoooooooo.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:03 PM
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28. Then the Pro-Choice side should counter with an ad featuring Barbara Bush.
:thumbsup:
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:15 PM
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35. And, Laura Bush.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:21 PM
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36. I was sort of picturing an ad where Babs speculates how much different the world would be had
she made a different "choice".

But I'm just sick like that...;-)
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:49 PM
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42. Heh.
The fact that she's pro-choice would make that all the better
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:18 PM
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29. Ergo, the value of life IS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Pardon me, but, on the average, what the HELL has football ever done for Us? What real value has it contributed to society? And I am referring here to value that would not have developed somehow-otherwise.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:21 PM
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30. Let's all boycott the game by meeting here and using all other social media to deluge the internet
with information about the Poor and the Working Poor and people without Health Care Insurance.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:24 PM
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31. Then no super Bowl for me. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:27 PM
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32. NOOOOO!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:31 PM
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33. I wonder how many babies FoF saved with the million bucks Dobson made off of Ted Bundy.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:25 PM
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37. Colossal waste of money... nt
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:41 PM
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39. no offense to Mrs. Tebow
but exactly how big of a crisis pregnancy could it have been if she stayed in freaking MANILA to deliver him? I mean Manila is a fine town, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it was especially known for OBGYN services in the late 80s...
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:44 PM
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74. Good Point
Don't know the story--what was the situation? Was anyone suggesting (or, as I suspect they will imply) badgering her to get an abortion? Why?

My guess is that the ad will be mostly exaggerated b.s.

Remember Cassie, the poor murdered girl whose parents made a cottage industry out of the lie that "she said YES!" when asked by the Columbine killers whether she believed in G-d? Witnesses denied the story, but the parents published books and made the rounds of evangelical groups with their story. Sad situation all around.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:46 PM
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40. Gag me with a rusty spoon.
:puke:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:49 PM
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41. This is actually something we need to take action on--and now.
Any suggestions?

Who do we write to?

What do we say?

Email addresses?

Fax #s

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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:52 PM
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43. And why exactly do we need to take action?
I'm sorry, but seriously, who cares if a an organization wants to pay an outrageous sum of money for a commercial, even if it's a commercial for something we disagree with?
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:57 PM
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44. If you're not interested, you don't have to be a part of it.
Those who are concerned need to take action. Consider yourself not part of the "we" in my last post. :)
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:59 PM
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45. Thanks for granting permission
although I neither requested it nor need it.

I'm just wondering what the big deal is about a commercial and why there needs to be some outpouring of activism to stop it.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:14 PM
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55. I agree. People are overreacting here.
Boycotting the Super Bowl because they don't like one fucking commercial? :rofl:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:00 PM
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46. Well until yesterday I didn't know what a Tim Tebow was..
and today I care even less about his mom. I find it hilarious that because she gave birth to a football player she is considered some kind of spokesperson. I also find it amusing that 30 years ago all of Christianity got together to condemn John Lennon for claiming that the Beatles were bigger than Jesus, but now that Football is bigger than Jesus instead of condemning it they are advertising on it.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:35 PM
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50. Tebow's mom made a CHOICE
Anti-choice women want it both ways - They want to be applauded for their own sacrifice while forcing other women to do the same thing.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:40 PM
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51. How many FoF employees will need to be laid off to cover this bill?
They laid off 500 people last year because they couldn't afford to keep them; now they're spending $4 million to run a throwaway ad (really, guys, just HOW MANY people in the US contract amoebic dysentery every year?) on the Super Bowl telecast. (I did the numbers, of course; $4 million only comes to $8000 per laid-off employee, but I'm going to assume they have part-timers there who don't make big money.)

So they DIDN'T have the money to pay their people, but they DO have the money for a TV ad? Sounds like someone needs to focus on the families who work for him.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:42 PM
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52. so they will be on the television when people are going to the bathroom.

so what.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:54 PM
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54. Yet PETA gets turned down each year.
Just as well, though to be honest. They get more publicity from getting turned down each year.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:50 PM
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57. And yet, oddly enough, frat boys and sports fans aren't going vegan en masse.
Maybe PETA needs to find a different target demo? :shrug:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:59 PM
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60. Even with a machine gun you'd have missed the point. n/t
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:08 PM
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61. No, I totally get the point.
Women are meat, according to PETA.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:11 PM
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62. Oh, brother.
:eyes: x millions
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:18 PM
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63. Oh sister.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:34 PM
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66. Meh.
I suppose we all choose our outrages these days.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:43 PM
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67. I suppose a lot of women are choosing to be outraged at PETA.
Which is not helping their cause in any way. Again, how many of Teh Dudez are going vegan?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:01 PM
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69. I'm sure
that their concern has been noted.

"Teh Dudez?" I don't know. I know a much larger (proportionately) number of females have altered their diet/lifestyle because of PETA's campaigns than men (of veggie folks I know/have spoken to). That's never surprised me, though. Women, at least in my experience, seem to have more empathy and compassion than men and when enlightened to the atrocities of factory farming, etc tend to want to not be part of it. Another odd thing...I have friends at PETA, and from what I hear far more donations (from individuals) come from women than men.

Hmmmm...
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:14 PM
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72. And yet the big budget marketing campaigns of PETA are directed at men.
Why in holy hell would they want to run ads with naked babes during the Super Bowl if they realized that women were their target audience? That's kind of odd, and a reflection of the oversized egos of the leaders of PETA, rather than a smart direction of their advertising budget. You'd think they'd advertise on Oxygen, or other women-friendly networks. Women make 80% of household purchases, after all. But no, they choose to get the male eyeballs and the notoriety of mimicking Howard Stern. Way to save the animals, guys.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:31 PM
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73. Like I said, you missed the point.
PETA gets more attention by having ads DENIED for the Superbowl. Costs them nothing. Women aren't their "target audience" either. Their target audience is everyone. Women, proportionately, appear to respond more and likely for the reasons I stated. So yeah, way to save the animals, guys.

But hey, stay outraged. Where's the outrage against the Superbowl/NFL anyway? Cheerleaders in skimpy outfits...hello?

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:45 PM
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75. Duh. The key to marketing success is getting people to do what you want.
PETA has failed in that, big time. But then, if all they want is notoriety and to raise money to pay for ridiculous marketing campaigns, I suppose you could say they succeed.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 01:02 AM
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79. No it isn't.
At least not on a charity level. The key to success is doing something that folks will donate to continue, progressing change, etc.

So howsabout that outrage at the NFL? I see you avoided that. Cheerleaders, you know...

Again, selective outrage I guess.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:21 PM
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56. Why are we supposed to care what this woman's choice was?
Someone should point out that she is very lucky that she HAD a choice - since the organization of faux "religious" clowns footing the bill for this ad contends that no woman should have ANY choice not dictated by their organization.

I find being exposed to this public pronouncement of this woman's personal decision about having a child distasteful and unsuitable for broadcasting in front of children. Why should children be exposed to an advertisement discussion an ADULT decision? I thought Focus on the Anus was all about no discussion of sexual activity on the public airwaves - and yet promotes decisions about the results of such activity in front of millions of children who have no idea about pregnancy?

Hmm..while they are at it, why don't they parade a few women who had miscarriages before the cameras and indict "God" for murdering their babies as well?

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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:51 PM
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76. More efficient ways to save babies
If people are really concerned about saving babies, they should take the money they spend on ads like this and pay for prenatal care for women in 3rd world countries.

I'm not being flip--money for healthcare for impoverished women would save far more babies than the $ they're spending on this ad.

But of course, it's got nothing to do with saving babies, does it?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:56 PM
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58. Anyway we can keep an eye out on this at DU to keep us informed?
If it is going to run, I want to call the local affiliate and tell them I won't be watching. I get enough politics with the war celebration at each game. I just want to watch a game without reminders about how sucky our nation is right now.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:56 PM
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59. It'd be a dumb pr move on his part
Perhaps his mother is ignoring his agency, but I can't imagine this would be something that any PR person would be happy about. Regardless of which side you are on, advertisers don't like controversy attached to their spokespeople, and this would snag him before he's even a pro. Perhaps he and his family care more about the issues than money, though, and will be donating much of his future millions to group and foster homes for the unwanted children. Uh huh.


For what it's worth, I am also the product of an unwanted, unplanned pregnancy of a teenage mom. If my mother had been able, I would not be here, and I am fine with that. Course that discussion usually involves existential issues that many of the anti-choicers ignore or don't understand.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:21 PM
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65. that argument has always been stupid
anyone can find and more likely find an evil person whose mother considered it and decided against it, too.

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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:53 PM
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68. yes, that is true.
I remember reading somewhere that Hitler's mother had considered having an abortion. Not sure if it's true or not, but imagine how different the world would be if she had gone through with it.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 11:02 PM
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70. Why would the NFL allow this bullshit to ruin the game?
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