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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:11 PM
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'American soldiers are waking up.' You have to see this video
Edited on Sat Jan-02-10 05:17 PM by Mari333
'American soldiers are waking up.'







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8v1hI1v-sY

I posted it on GD because I think it is important.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:18 PM
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1. What are we doing to these people -- our men and women, the
innocent people whose countries have been invaded...

It is heartbreaking, and just so WRONG.

I feel so bad for the military personnel who will live with this guilt.

Thank you for posting this. You're right -- this needs to be seen.

Recomment.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:21 PM
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2. only a coward would unrec this
but it is truth. Thank god for those soldiers who come forward and speak truth.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:16 PM
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18. They're just now "seeing the truth"? Where were they after
9/11, in a coma??
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 08:29 PM
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22. I have no idea what you mean
many military personnel, a whole generation of them, just like Vietnam, are experiencing the same thing that many Vietnam Vets did, and have been speaking out for many many years.

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

http://www.ivaw.org/

http://www.mfso.org

and their families.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:44 PM
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43. or a troll......these forums are full of them these days.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:28 PM
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3. K&R.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:34 PM
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4. Excellent video. Rec'd
Very, very impressive.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:41 PM
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5. I took the time to transcribe Mr. Prysner's speech:
My name is Mike Prysner. I joined the Army and went for basic training on my eighteenth birthday in June of 2001. I was assigned to the 10th Mountain Division and in March of 2003 I was attached to the 173rd Airborne Brigade deployed to norther Iraq.

Um, so when I first joined the Army, we were told that racism no longer existed in the military. A legacy of inequality and discrimination was suddenly washed away by something called the 'Equal Opportunity Program. We would sit through mandatory classes and every unit had this EO representative to ensure that no elements of racism could resurface. The Army seemed firmly dedicated to smashing any hint of racism. And then September 11th happened and I began to hear new words like 'towel head' and 'camel jockey' and the most disturbing: 'sand nigger.' And these words did not initially come from my fellow soldiers but from my superiors: my platoon sergeant, my company first sergeant, battalion commander. All the way up the chain of command these terms, these viciously racist terms were suddenly acceptable.

And I noticed that the most overt racism came from veterans of the first Gulf War. And those were the words they used when incenerating civilian convoys. Those were the words they used when this government delivered any target(ing) of civilian infrastructure; bombing water supplies knowing it would kill hundreds of thousands of children. Those are the words the American people used when they allowed this government to sanction Iraq. And this is something many people forget. And we can't forget.

We've just learned that we've killed over a million Iraqis since the invasion. But we already killed a million Iraqis in the '90s through sanctions and bombings prior to this invasion. But the number is truly much higher.

When I got to Iraq in 2003 I learned a new word and that word was "Hajji". Hajji was the enemy. Hajji was every Iraqi. He was not a person, a father, a teacher, or a worker. And it's important, we've heard this word alot during Winter Soldier but it's important to understand where this word came from and to Muslims the most important thing is to take a pilgrimage to Mecca. It's the Haj. And taking this pilgrimage is the Hajji. And, it's something in traditional Islam that is the highest calling in their religion. So we took the best thing from Muslim and made it into the worst thing.

But, history did not start with us and since the creation of this country, racism has been used to justify expansion and oppression. The Native Americans were called savages. The Africans were called all sorts of things to excuse slavery. And Vietnam veterans know of the multitude of words used to justify that imperialist war. So, Hajji was the word we used...it was the word we used on this particular mission I'm going to talk about and we've heard alot about different raids and kicking down doors of people's houses and ransacking their houses. But this mission was a different kind of raid. I never got any explanation for these orders. We were only told that this group of houses, of five or six houses, were now property of the U.S. military and we had to go in and make those families leave those houses.

So, we went to these houses and informed the families that those homes were no longer their homes. We provided them no alternative, nowhere to go, no compensation. And they were very confused and very scared and did not know what to do, would not leave, so we had to remove them from those houses. One family in particular, a woman with two small girls, very elderly man and two middle-aged men, we dragged them out of their houses and threw them onto the street and arrested the men because they refused to leave. Uh, arrested the old man and sent them off to prison. And, at that time I didn't know what happened to people when we tied their hands behind their back and put a sandbag over their head.

Unfortunately, a few months later, I had to find out. We were short interrogators so I was assigned to work as an interrogator. I oversaw and participated in hundreds of interrogations, one in particular I'm going to share with was a moment for me that really showed me the nature of this occupation. This particular detainee...when I was sent to interrogate him he was stripped down to his underwear, hands behind his back, and sandbag on his head. I never actually saw this man's face. My job was to take this metal folding chair and just smash it against the wall next to his head, he was faced against the wall with his nose touching the wall while a fellow soldier asked the same questions over and over again, no matter what his answer, my job was to slam this chair against the wall.

We did this until, basically, we got tired. And, I was told to make sure he stood against the wall for however long and I was guarding this prisoner and my job was to make sure he kept standing up. But I noticed that there was something wrong with his leg and he was injured and he kept, like, falling to the ground. And the sargeant in charge would come and tell me to get him up on his feet so I'd have to pick him up and put him against the wall and he kept going down and I'd have to keep pulling him up and putting him against the wall. And my sargeant came around and he was upset with me for not, you know, continue making him to stand. He picked him up and slammed him against the wall several times and then he left and when the man went down on the ground again I notice blood pouring down from under the sandbag. And so I let him sit and I noticed my sargeant coming again and I would tell him quickly to stand up and I realized that I was supposed to be guarding my unit from this detainee and I realized at that moment that I was guarding the detainee from my unit.

And I tried hard to be proud of my service but all I could feel was shame and racism could no longer mask the occupation. These were people. There were human beings. I've since been plagued by guilt anytime I see an elderly man, like the one who couldn't walk and we rolled onto a stretcher, told the Iraqi police to take him away. I feel guilt anytime I see a mother with her children like the one who cried hysterically and screamed that we were worse than Saddam as we forced her from her home. I feel guilt anytime I see a young girl like the one I grabbed by the arm and dragged into the street.

We were told we were fighting terrorists, but the real terrorist was me and the real terrorism is this occupation. Racism within the military has long been an important tool to justify the destruction and occupation of another country. It has long been used to justify the killing, subjugation, and torture of another people. Racism is a vital weapon deployed by this government. It is a more important weapon than a rifle, a tank, a bomber or a battleship. It is more destructive than an artillery shell, or a bunker buster, or a tomahawk missile. While all of those weapons are created and owned by this government, they are harmless without people willing to use them.

Those who send us to war do not have to pull a trigger or lob a mortar round. They do not have to fight the war. They merely have to sell the war. They need a public who is willing to send their soldiers into harm's way and they need soldiers who are willing to kill or be killed without question. They can spend millions on a single bomb, but that bomb only becomes a weapon when the ranks in the military are willing to follow orders to use it. They can send every last soldier anywhere on earth, but there will only be a war if soldiers are willing to fight, and the ruling class: the billionaires who profit from human suffering care only about expanding their wealth, controlling the world economy, understand that their power lies only in their ability to convince us that war, oppression, and exploitation is in our interests. They understand that their wealth is dependent on their ability to convince the working class to die to control the market of another country. And convincing us to kill and die is based on their ability to make us think that we are somehow superior. Soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen, have nothing to gain from this occupation.

The vast majority of people living in the US have nothing to gain from this occupation. In fact, not only do we have nothing to gain, but we suffer more because of it. We lose limbs, endure trauma, and give our lives. Our families have to watch flag draped coffins lowered into the earth. Millions in this country without healthcare, jobs, or access to education must watch this government squander over $450 million a day on this occupation. Poor and working people in this country are sent to kill poor and working people in another country to make the rich richer, and without racism soldiers would realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people than they do with the billionaires who send us to war

I threw families onto the street in Iraq only to come home and find families thrown onto the street in this country in this tragic, tragic and unneccesary forclosure crisis; only to wake up and realize that our real enemies are not in some distant land. But not people whose names we don't know, and cultures we don't understand. The enemy is people we know very well and people we can identify. The enemy is a system that wages war when it's profitable. The enemy is the CEOs who lay us off our jobs when it's profitable; it's the insurance companies who deny us health care when it's profitable; it's the banks who take away our homes when it's profitable. Our enemies are not 5000 miles away, they are right here at home. If we organize and fight with our sisters and brothers, we can stop this war, we can stop this government, and we can create a better world.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:46 PM
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10. Thank You for that. It was nice to see him get two standing ovations also.
Speaking truth to power, that's this guy.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:52 PM
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12. thank you I am bookmarking this entry
I will use it over and over and over again
hugs
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:56 PM
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13. Thank you!
I don't know if anyone's going through all the winter soldier testimony transcribing it. I hope so.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:00 PM
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15. You're ALL very welcome. I saw the video posted to PV and thought
Mr. Prysner's word were strong enough a testament of where we are as a nation that his words should be seen as well as heard.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:59 PM
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14. thank you!
very helpful
:thumbsup:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:15 PM
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17. Thank you for this
:cry:
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:07 AM
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26. Thank you for your efforts in transcribing it.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 05:19 AM
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27. I hope you don't mind
I took the liberty of copying your work to my Facebook page. It's visited regularly by warmongers among family and friends.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:06 AM
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31. Slopes and Zipper heads morph into camel jockeys and sand niggers.
Stunning ---

Who would have thunk it.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:27 PM
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39. How do you come up with the words slopes and zipper heads?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:54 PM
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44. Considering his screen name is saigon68 and he has a vets
logo in his sig, I would assume he got those names from his/her time in Vietnam.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:23 PM
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48. They were common terms
Those terms, and the more familiar "gooks," were commonly used during the Vietnam era to describe the Vietnamese.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 07:32 AM
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58. There were more too
But those 2 are the ones I heard most in the Nam
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 07:41 AM
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59. Here you go
slope ==

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slope

Zipper head ++

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zipper+head

I didn't invent these terms

It was another way the military indoctrinated young troops to disrespect and mock the enemy with racist terms.

WW 2 was full of shit like this to describe the "Attackers of Pearl Harbor"
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:43 PM
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6. Very powerful. Thanks for posting. nt
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:45 PM
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7. K&R
I wish more people would wake up to the truths that soldier was telling.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:45 PM
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8. This is from Winter Soldier 2008
a very moving and sad event.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:46 PM
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9. As a former service member
I realize just how brainwashed I was while on active duty.The job of the officers and non coms is to lie and do what ever it takes to have conform,you are never told why you must put your life on the line,just follow orders.I believe most of the nco's are brainwashed and the officers are bucking for higher rank.The generals were very happy when the draft was discontinued,its much easier to deal with a less educated person,seldom do they ask questions and when they do,they'll believe anything the liers tell them.BRING BACK THE DRAFT AND STOP THESE NEEDLESS WARS,they are killing innocent people world wide.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 05:51 PM
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11. HUGE HUGS
from me
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:19 PM
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19. You have it right, and I hope you can do some speaking gigs on this!
The only thing that will bring about the kind of changes the OP speaks about is for people like you to speak to young people, and help them to see what is really happening.

Your story is important!
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:12 PM
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16. k&r
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:23 PM
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20. If I was as articulate as that young man...
I'd say the same thing. Earlier war... same words.

I am proud I was a Marine... I joined when JFK asked what I was going to do for my country. I was going to fight the bad guys who were threatening us. I ended up pushing around and killing brown people who were no threat to this country. I am ashamed of what my country did with my service.

43 fucking years later... same old shit. This country is dumber than shit!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 06:24 PM
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21. He's a very eloquent man. Now he needs to speak beyond the choir!
His voice needs to be heard on high school and college campuses across the nation.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 08:34 PM
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23. Thank You
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 08:42 PM
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24. Incredible..
... wonderful, heartbreaking and hopeful at the same time.

A fearless declaration of the truth.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:03 AM
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25. Sadly K & R
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 05:20 AM
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28. Thanks for that
Powerful.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 06:29 AM
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29. IVAW has been organizing for at least five years now
so I wouldn't take this as a sign of some shift in your average soldier's view of either war. Not to rain on your parade, but simply to state the facts as I see'em.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:40 AM
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30. k&r
Thank you.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 08:43 AM
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32. Recommend
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:29 AM
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33. Maybe the "Cheney effect" is wearing off.
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 09:29 AM by Dont_Bogart_the_Pret
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:36 AM
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34. I support Iraq Veterans Agains the War
Please support them by buying and reading the book "Winter Soldier --- Iraq And Afghanistan, Eyewitness Accounts of the Occupations". It is published by Haymarket Books (www.haymarketbooks.org )
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:37 AM
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35. K&R for truth, morality and bravery
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:40 AM
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36. Youngest son of my friend was recruited and ready to go to war
He dropped out of middle school when he was 13. Now he regrets it and wants to study and go to high school. That is when a recruiter got him with a shiny lap top computer and a promise of "college education" etc....His mother is begging him to drop out. Poverty begets poverty. Never ending cycle...
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:56 AM
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37. Thank you!
K & R
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:13 PM
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38. Word
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 12:31 PM
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40. Kicked(nt)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:06 PM
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41. Who is that guy and what is he gonna run for
I WANT IN!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:21 PM
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42. If only ALL soldiers and all pre-soldiers "got it". Big kick.
:kick:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 01:58 PM
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45. "The real enemy is a system that wages war when it's profitable."
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 02:19 PM by maryf
Does everything for a profit....K&R and big thanks for this, the Iraq Vets against War will be huge in helping bring down this system...edited to fix quote
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:09 PM
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46. "If it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how?" Joan Baez
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:15 PM
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47. The military brass knows
gooks, hajis, slopes, sand niggers are terms used to dehumanize those they want killed. It's easier to kill a subhuman. The Nazis did the same thing with the Jews, characterizing them as vermin. We have followed their lead.
We're on a par with Hitler and Goebbels, but with better public relations.
Anyone exposing the truth is forced to apologize. Just ask Dick Durbin.
That no apology is demanded from the Bush cartel speaks volumes about the citizens of this country. At least the Italians had the morals and gonads to give Mussolini his just desserts.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:36 PM
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49. K & R Mari333 ...my anti war ...pro peace friend.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:39 PM
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50. The Enemy Is At Home .... not in Afghanistan or Iraq or Yemen, or China, or Venezuela, or
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 02:39 PM by Better Believe It
Bolivia, or Brazil, or Cuba, or Russia, or .....................
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 03:09 PM
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51.  that's what a *real* hero looks like
Our real enemy is not the ones living in a distant land whose names or policies we don't understand; The real enemy is a system that wages war when it's profitable, the CEOs who lay us off our jobs when it's profitable, the Insurance Companies who deny us Health care when it's profitable, the Banks who take away our homes when it's profitable. Our enemies are not several hundred thousands away. They are right here in front of us
- Mike Prysner
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 03:36 PM
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52. END ALL WARS! knr nt
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 04:43 PM
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53. True enemy is our own ignorance and indifference
"The system" is made out of our indifference, fed by our silence, kept alive by our apathy. We are sacrificing our young people and throwing them away. We just have to stop that. We can not forget about them. Bring them home!!!!
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 06:14 PM
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54. Who is this articulate, wonderful young man?
Edited on Sun Jan-03-10 06:15 PM by ooglymoogly
We need to draft him into running against one of the thugs in who have usurped our government.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 07:15 PM
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55. Great
This video reminds me of John Kerry's Congressional Testimony regarding Vietnam. Powerful words.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:02 PM
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56. I am age of viet draft lottery and was anti-war active in SF-Berkeley 68-73
Tom Hayden and Senator Kerry were profound influences on my world view.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 10:01 PM
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57. Too late to recommend.
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