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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:33 AM
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Crack, Meth, Heroin & Marijuana.
Why is marijuana still lumped in with all of the above controlled substances? Why to this day is wacky tobaccy still considered as dangerous as crack, meth and heroin?

We all know that's bullshit, yet millions of our tax dollars go to make these ridiculous anti marijuana t.v. spots that have absolutely no effect other than to make you laugh while toking.

I am so tired of having marijuana listed automatically with the above three poisons, when will it ever end?
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Matsubara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:40 AM
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1. I don't know.
Your headline reads like "Machine Gun, Bazooka, Atomic Bomb, and Steak Knife"

Four things that have almost nothing in common except that they could all CONCIEVABLY be bad for you, but only 3 of them are almost always bad for you, while one almost never is, and in fact can be useful when used wisely.

Also, if we are to lump those four together, we must add alcohol since it is more dangerous and addictive than pot.


(PS - my last joint was 9 years ago, and I was never a regular user, but unfortunately I live on an island with zero tolerance laws on pot so I can't even use it in moderation.

Oh, well, there's still beer.)
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:42 AM
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2. Alcohol, mom, and apple pie.
You'll take the booze out of my cold, drunk hands.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:42 AM
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3. When pot isn't the drug of choice to Liberal ,Intelligent and passive people.
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 05:48 AM by orpupilofnature57
Ever notice how inhibited Loud, over assertive assholes get when, when they get high?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:43 PM
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24. A lot of the republicons use pot...
They are a bunch of hypocrites...
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:48 PM
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28. And mostly closet cokers ,But yes weed is a part of the 'Cool' side for
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 04:59 PM by orpupilofnature57
CLOSET phonies ,I know a bunch unfortunately.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:53 AM
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4. Ever met a violent pot head?
I haven't.

Here's corroberation for your perspective . . .

http://hightowerdownload.com/node/30

best

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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:56 AM
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5. EXCELLENT! Thanks.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:29 AM
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15. Ever met a violent pot head?
I have.

But I've met many, many more violent drunks...
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:47 PM
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27. I'm a violent pot head
I've murdered so many innocent doritos and cheetos...:cry:
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:58 PM
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31. How could you? You ANIMAL!!!!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:42 PM
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37. Care to elaborate?
Was this person a user of pot exclusively? Violent while high? I'm really curious, because, while I'm sure such an aberration could exist, I've never encountered it, nor anyone that has, first hand.


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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:47 AM
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6. I've never done any illegal drug
but have several friends who have. They tell me to a person that the ONLY reason they tried harder drugs was because they found out what the government was saying about pot was bs. Luckily, none of them became addicts, and the only illegal they do now is marijuana. Funny thing, too--they are all very mellow and easygoing. Folks I know who get loaded with alcohol tend to be mean drunks.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:28 AM
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7. Society is so hypocritical when it comes to pot.
Last week when it came out that 3 guys that are going to be top ten draft picks in the NFL this year admitted to having used pot in the past it was chalked up as "no big deal" and wouldn't affect their draft status. Why is it no big deal for them but when some kid gets caught with a 1/4 ounce in his pocket he deserves society's wrath? Here's why. Because the war on drugs isn't a war on drugs. It's a war on the powerless. If you have a sports league with thousands of fans hoping they can acquire your services then you get a wink and a smile. If you're some nobody standing alone against the system you deserve to be screwed.
So on draft day the NFL will send a message to kids all over America. Drugs are bad unless you have some athletic talent.
:wtf:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:36 PM
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36. Your point it completely accurate, but can you name any subject
in which our society is not hypocritical? I haven't come up with one yet.
:kick:

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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:32 AM
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8. Decades of lies and a vigorous propaganda campaign make this one
a tough nut to crack.

And still it continues with the DEA raiding marijuana clinics in California, charging the directors of those clinics with crimes that make them look like Mexican drug lords.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:37 AM
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9. Big Pharma profits take a dive if more people utilized the many benefits of pot
Seems reason enough for the corporate puppets to keep talking it up as dangerous and evil.

The gateway drug to violence and crime is ALCOHOL, not pot. And alcohol abuse is just not taken seriously in this country. Guess there's profit in booze.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:45 AM
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10. Think of the $$ they'd make at $5 per pack of 20 primo joints.
Quality and potency controlled, taxed, just like booze and pills.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:21 AM
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13. Think of the $$ they lose on all the shit the peddle to deal with side effects of shit they peddle
;)

Big bucks is dealing with the side effects of chemo and chronic pain as the boomers age, get ill and need to deal with it.

I'm all for legalization. Always have been. Never used the stuff. Can't stand the smell, but as my own chronic pain worsens, and I see what chemo does to men, women, children, I am all for anything that makes it better without making things worse. Too many of Big Pharma's products make things worse, for which they sell more products.

It's outrageous, isn't it.

And, yeah the taxes on legalized pot (and the income of those who provide it) would be great for the nation too. Pot would be a very good thing. I just don't see the corporate puppets in public office ever plunging the knife into one of the geese that lays such big golden eggs for their war chests ;)

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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:23 AM
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14. Politicians fear losing the christian conservative vote.
That's why most won't touch the subject with a ten foot pole.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:29 AM
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16. Lots of the 'Christian conservatives' in my area line up to buy meth
It's their way of supporting American industry I think ;)
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:53 PM
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30. I'd save a Bunch , 20$ in 1974 and now 200$ But don't get me going on
how much more a working pothead puts in to the economy ,compared to the corporate assholes that slide on the backs and taxes of the high and others.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:50 AM
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11. Sorry, I thought this was a "Marketplace" post.
Never mind.

.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:03 AM
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12. The argument is that you'll spend all your time getting high, pursuing pleasure ...
A money society prefers you spend your time slaving away pursuing money which you need to live. Since tobacco kills you off before your time, it saves this society money, all that money that would have gone on out on your upkeep in your less productive years more leisure years if you'd not smoked and lived.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:48 AM
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17. the private prisons make money off of pot smokers who get caught

you wouldn't want the private prison profits to go down would you.

all that money to fight the drug war that really goes into private pockets would slow down if maryjane was decrimed.

money is why maryjane is illegal.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:49 AM
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18. Imprisoned pot smokers & dealers are political prisoners.
Not to mention the lawyers fees.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:11 PM
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22. true
nt
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:50 AM
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19. That is the correct answer!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:51 AM
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20. I thought racism played a major historical role in it.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:47 PM
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26. huge component
History Channel has a GREAT show on how mj and other substances became illegal...
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:00 PM
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33. "Hooked"- great series.
Ironic how lawmakers used the "drug-crazed Negro" chestnut to outlaw cocaine, which was abused mostly by white, middle-class women. And co-opting the name "marijuana" from the Hispanic community to the same effect.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:48 PM
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38. The primary motivation to outlawing it was financial, and racism was used
to enable the prohibition.

Hearst (paper industry), Rockefeller (oil industry), and DuPont (chemical, primarily nylon, industry) were the major beneficiaries and instigators of the propaganda campaign.


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:15 AM
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21. Yes please!
:evilgrin:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:35 PM
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23. Well, politicians want it that way. Not Dennis Kucinich not Roy Paul
But all the other 2008 candidates are anti-herb.:shrug:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:46 PM
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25. Prison Industrial Complex? Cheap prison labor? Imprison a pot smoker and get cheap prison labor.
:shrug: Marijuana should be legalized or at the very least, decriminalized.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:48 PM
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29. Prohibition never works, and it is insane to keep trying it. - n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:00 PM
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32. Because it's an incredibly popular, relatively innocuous substance that will never go away
and so the "drug war" apparatus can keep an eternal gravy train going by "fighting" it.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:31 PM
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34. Ya!! thats the ticket!!!!!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 06:32 PM
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35. Bingo!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 01:42 PM
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39. Kick for Democratic leadership on this issue
Debate tonight... Show your leadership and not your GOP-liteness...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 02:10 PM
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40. Hmmm...I've seen first hand how marijuana has led to stronger drug abuse in my own family.
And a friend of mine left her husband because she was sick of him smoking it day and night and not accomplishing a damn thing with his life. So, I'm not for legalization for it.

Sorry to tell ya that Philosoraptor, since I usually agree with and cheer on all your posts.

That being said, I strongly believe that it should be taken for medicinal purposes for those who have Cancer or MS, etc.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 02:15 PM
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41. NO shit, I live in Arizona, such a goddamned meth problem here.
Yet were still inundated with the asinine anti pot commercials.

they gotta make their war on drugs last until the cows come home, while their buddies are high priced lobbyist drug dealers.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 03:12 PM
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42. I Love My Weed...n/t
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 03:14 PM
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43. I think that
Edited on Thu Apr-26-07 03:15 PM by ellie
drugs should be legalized. At least pot.
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