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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:44 PM Original message |
I Don't Remember So Many Democrats Being Angry at a Democratic President Since LBJ. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, I don't know about that. There were times with Clinton that you had to bite you tongue. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Clinton didn't have the internets to contend with. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. The online rage may not be such a bad thing |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. It's not online rage, it's online disillusionment |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
72. VERY surprised. Then he can ask Axelrod what happened. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
88. yep. I sent pretty pointed replies to Baucus, Reid Christmas greetings |
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Christa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
181. You said it |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. Well, one thing going for him in the HCR disaster is the worst of it won't hit |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
146. I do not agree. First, this is about health, money, and loved ones |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #146 |
243. I didn't say I thought it would work. I just think they believe that. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #45 |
160. I don't think it will be forgotten . . people needed help now ... not betrayal. . .. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
221. Lets look at that timeline |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #30 |
123. Yeah, and master of our fate as well. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
136. Interesting idea of what's good and bad here |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
219. ... yeah, and if I were to win the lottery I would be rich. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. That is when its ruling class |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. It's always both, isn't it? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
159. Why would you not have told the truth about Clinton . . . an adorable betrayer . . . |
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judesedit (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
178. Why? Because he got a blow job? Like everyone else serving in Congress? |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. All true. All facts. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. So far, his Latin America policies are not huge favorites, either. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Honduras was a disappointment |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Yep. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
161. Same thing with RCC Bishops . . . they've betrayed their Latino members . . . |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #161 |
195. I've been watching ongoing critiques on Laura Flanders' show, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #195 |
206. Wish we'd see more of the solution aimed conversations here at DU, but it's beginning.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. Thank you! I'm hiding out here with you and my coffee |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
162. Expanding attacks on Pakistan . . . of course expanding troops in Afghanistan . .!!! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. The polls are more scientific than a list of your acquaintances |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. But I bet David's acquaintances weren't paid. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
163. Exactly . . . and the polls which would reveal how overwhelmingly liberal America is . . . |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. The factual data of polls says your anecdotal data is bullshit |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Polls are moving snapshots. Give this four weeks. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Anecdotal evidence is always dismissed on its face |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Bookmarked |
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quark219 (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #17 |
139. On what planet?! |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
201. Then 86% of Democrats Need Counseling |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
164. Agree . . there is no DANCING IN THE STREETS ... that's for sure!!! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. I STILL give Obama the highest marks possible in EVERY poll... |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
126. I do the same |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:35 AM Original message |
if you thought DU represented most Dems, you would conclude he's a failure. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
240. Amen!! |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. This seems like wishful thinking |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Wishful thinking and attacking the activist base = Delusion. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. "the first President in a very long time to be a Lame Duck entering his second year in office. " |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
89. He didn't get 60 votes, K Street did |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
114. Yes, he got 60 votes, but he had to sell our souls to get them. nt |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #114 |
223. They didn't want our souls |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
153. And it ONLY took "him" (no hands on at all) a whole fucking year............... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #153 |
165. How many years ago did Obama make the deal with power elites? |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #153 |
174. And Bill Press4ss Said He Needed To Act More Like LBJ Than Gandhi!! |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
202. cue music- Lowered Expectations |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
216. Bought and paid for. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
222. I am pretty sure that the legislation that will be remembered out of this decade |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. Oh, that's OK. Look how well LBJ did after he dismissed the Left as irrelevant. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. And when a sitting president faced a primary challenge from the Left. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Primary challenge from the left?????? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Yeah. That primary challenge from McCarthy had no effect on LBJ...oh, wait. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. I think it will happen again now. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #53 |
183. Can anyone say B-e-r-n-i-e S-a-n-d-e-r's?????????? Since Bernie......... |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. nice avatar. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Thank you. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. The "gleefulness factor" is quite obvious here. Pretty disgusting. nt |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. So you would begrudge a fellow DUer the support of a Democrat? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. what "democrat" is that? Even Ben fucking Nelson has a D after his name |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Yeah |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. at least Kucinich votes on principle, not on what is best for HIS wallet, and |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
229. Kucinich has no principles, only ego n/t |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
98. I think that for many politicians, the 'D' is for dickhead |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #98 |
182. For many here at DU too |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Did you gleefully vote for Mayor Daley too? |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Every election while I lived in Chicago n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. That figures. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I'd vote for him again next year, if I still lived in the city |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I was, of course, talking about his daddy that paragon of free speech. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. That Daley was well before my age of eligibility. n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
132. And so did your dead grandparents. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
65. take your smugness and shove it |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. My dog's name is Sara. |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
205. I'll Get Your Back! |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
230. If you're going after fake Democrats |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
82. Odd statement. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
90. Keep laughing; you might convince yourself |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
133. Ted Kennedy challenged Carter I believe -- and look what happened. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #133 |
200. How do you mean that .... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #200 |
234. Carter had to deal with many crises. The economic crisis that |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #234 |
238. Completely agree re the "October Surprise" . . . |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #238 |
247. +1 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
166. Right . . . but the women's movement have been backing r-w Dems ...as long as they were pro-Choice!! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
97. LBJ made the same mistake that Obama has made: he listened to his generals |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #97 |
167. Unfortunately, bankrupting our Treasury will also destroy democracy . .. I think???? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #167 |
196. We can borrow more money from the Chinese though. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #196 |
203. Funny how coincidental so much of this stuff is . . . |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
10. I agree with you completely |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
13. People associate with those of like mind. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
168. I'm note sure that Humphrey didn't actually win vs Nixon . . . |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
14. The problem is that people support the lies and hate against him here |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. Here is a link to a site that did an analysis of the competing health care plans in March of 2008 |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
120. Their claiming that program is not the same word as option, therefore Obama did not lie. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #120 |
241. Yeah, that's just nuts nt |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
119. He lied. And you are lying about the lie. Arguing semantics over substance. Same political BS, not |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
142. Lib Angel |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #142 |
170. PLUS in 2009 Obama supported Public Option and Pelosi did only weeks ago!!! |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
149. You keep selling this idea that what our parents taught us is a lie |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
169. Actually, the problem is some would like to ignore reality . . . |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
218. Thank you. President Obama hasn't changed. This board has. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #218 |
237. What a load of crap! |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
225. How about mandates? |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. Add me to your anecdotal list |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Gonna be a whole lot of anecdotal Democrats to contend with. |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
144. anecdotal list |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
22. Hopefully, level heads will prevail eventually in a few months... |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
213. Hopefully I will be able to get another part time job to pay the new poor tax. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
24. Obama has blown a huge opportunity to be one of the greatest presidents ever. nt |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. WRONG! |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
226. WRONG WRONG |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
145. earth mom - right, blown giant opportunity n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
171. I think Obama is making clear that wasn't the deal he made with the power elite ... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
26. I don't think he's in any political trouble at all... |
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. +100..well said |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. that's where you are sorely wrong |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. And of course there are those that touch themselves every time |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
106. why did you feel the need to accuse me of masturbating while posting on DU |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. Was I speaking metaphorically??? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #64 |
151. When you have no retort, go with filth! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
172. You've just described your own situation . . . you're on "IGNORE" . . . |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
100. You are thinking wishfully... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #100 |
112. Keep watching, |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
108. LOL! - blame the liberal media! -nt |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. Nope - re-read wtf I wrote. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
109. +1 n/t |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
116. He is not in trouble. Rahmbo decided to dump the left that got Obama elected in favor of picking up |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #116 |
173. Largely agree....but think co-option of Dem Party is to destroy it |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:01 AM Response to Reply #26 |
122. You are right that the anger is higher here, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #122 |
175. A large part of their problem is, despite rw ability to propagandize, finally, |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
28. A few comments.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. "you and others don't hold the banking & mortgage industry accountable for the crimes they committ" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. There ARE some solutions but most are in the talking stage. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:13 AM Response to Reply #48 |
125. Could you post this as an OP? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
179. Hi . . . . yes, agree . . . and I think we need a forum for this . . . STICKY?? |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #48 |
244. Thank you! This is exactly what I was talking about! |
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Frosty1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. Thank You MadMaddie |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:17 AM Response to Reply #54 |
127. People here are furious and feeling very helpless |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #54 |
152. Oddly I get the feeling that those who support it mostly have |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #152 |
157. exactly. THANK YOU. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #54 |
184. Leading with the "pony" argument and "take the ball and go home" -- |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #54 |
245. Thank you Frosty1! |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
59. Great post, Maddie. Very well said. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
124. You just read off my game plan |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #124 |
246. Thanks Tavalon! |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
36. DU is not representative of the Democratic Party as a whole. |
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terrell9584 (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
62. If it contains the taxes on insurance benefits |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I doubt it. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
185. Taxing health care benefits connected to one's job . . . !!!??? |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
91. +1 Although DU keeps me from losing my mind, it is but a rather small corner of the universe. nt |
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
38. oh well..enjoy President Palin.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. That's so worn out. It never made any sense in the first place. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. like I care. I'll vote for whomever I damn well please, & it will NOT be Obama in 2012 (nt) |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
81. OOGHAH BOOGAH....Do WHAT WE SAY or you will get "SARAH PALIN!" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #38 |
186. Always think in a downward spiral . . . motivated by fear -- that works ... |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
46. There were enough people angry at Jimmy Carter |
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Frosty1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. It seems to me Obama will have enough to contend with |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:02 AM Response to Reply #69 |
150. Actually, it was at the end of Carter's term |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #46 |
187. That's true . . . I'm thinking Howard Dean/Bernie Sanders . . . |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
55. I am 56 and lived through LBJ and Carter, and Clinton. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. He's courting disaffected Republicans. |
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terrell9584 (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. But the thing is |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
80. That's true about Reagan's base. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #57 |
190. I've always disagreed with conventional wisdom |
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TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. 'That is something rather new in my experience' |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. It's stunning to me, anyway. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
77. They decided we were entirely disposable once we'd done much of the legwork to elect them. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #77 |
197. Same theme as the Don't Ask Don't Tell & DOMA debacle |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
84. Agree on this point: "He didn't need to piss us off so much." |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
188. Reminded me of Nixon's . . . "I am not a crook " . . . statement ... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
70. everybody I know who voted for Obama is either outraged or very cool toward him now |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
74. See, you are living in interesting times. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
75. K&R. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
78. LBJ faced a primary challenger as did Carter |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Clinton almost did. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. I hear what you say...but what kind of "Moderate" could the Repugs ever put out there |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. I'm betting on Romney at this point |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
79. Agree nt |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
83. The opportunities that he wasted .... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I'm starting to think he was too young...and really didn't work his way up |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. That or he trusts Rahm too much and Rahm surrounds him with assholes |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:51 AM Response to Reply #92 |
138. Yeah, I don't appreciate Rahm either ... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #138 |
199. True, but in practice, POTUS is rather isolated |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #199 |
233. Presidents have a lot of constraints .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #92 |
191. Come on...did Obama not know Rahm is DLC or what he was all about . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #92 |
192. Right . . . so according to your theory, we've elected a president who put |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:47 AM Response to Reply #87 |
137. It is one thought .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #87 |
189. We are given the leaders the power elite want us to have . . . |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
93. Interesting OP/thread. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Agree...hard to know where this will go... |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #94 |
147. I fear you are correct. |
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AVID (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
95. Thnaks for your perspective, however skewed and biased it is. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. . |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. support for Obama is not very strong where I am |
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I guess then they better plan... |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. people like you make me not want to vote for obama, honestly. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #105 |
193. she's typical of his hardcore supporters her. I think being |
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HipChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #193 |
227. Actually, I'm not hardcore..pretty much Independent...just seeing how easy it is for the Repubs |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #227 |
232. since the majority of Americans poll as more liberal than politicians |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #95 |
115. Rahm, is that you? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #95 |
155. 50-60 hour work weeks!!?!?!? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #95 |
194. ... |
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Pryderi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
101. ONOZ! Gone is my rainbow-colored ponies and sugar cane bedposts! |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
104. I can't say that I'm angry with him |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
107. corporations have invested heavily... they believe we are irrelevant. -nt |
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shotten99 (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
110. It was the the left, not the right that took down LBJ. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
117. Exactly what more than a few of us have been saying, the tragedy is not another |
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Jester Messiah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
212. Easy to say from where you sit. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. How often has a President swept into power with ~60% of the popular vote |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
118. Honestly, I'm dazed about WTF is happening w/the administration. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
121. LBJ was actually quite popular. So was the Vietnam War until well into Nixon's first term. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:23 AM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Actually, no. It was LBJ's unpopularity that made him decide not |
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shotten99 (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:54 AM Response to Reply #128 |
134. Actually, it was McCarthy's strong 2nd place showing |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
129. Obama was supposed to bring change |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
130. Yeppers. He lost me. n/t |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:02 AM Response to Original message |
131. no excuses here, |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
135. K & R |
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thotzRthingz (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
140. ANGRY? Justifiably so... no COST CONTAINMENT (i.e., no public option) gives us every reason to be... |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
141. not so mad about foreclosure issue |
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igfoth (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
143. I agree, Obama is done |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
148. The internet wasn't around during LBJ and it wasn't a major communication for the people during WJC |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
154. I saw huge signs of frustration and anger back in Sept. or October |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
156. funny how the polls don't support your memory |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
158. Obama decided his own future when he signed up with the corporatists . . . |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #158 |
180. Bingo! (eom) |
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judesedit (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
176. They should be mad at Congress, not Obama. 235 millionaires in Congress don't care about us |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #176 |
236. No, this is how Bush skated. People WERE mad at Congress and see what happened as a result. |
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dcsmart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
177. big list for just 11 months..any proactive suggestions on what |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
198. That's because the Imperial President is essentially.. |
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Cal33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
204. Near the end of Bush's administration, it was generally said |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #204 |
209. Given how often he is scolding the left and coddling |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
208. I must live in a different world |
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Jester Messiah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
210. Opposition is easy. Being in power is not. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
211. My thoroughly Democratic father grew to detest Carter |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #211 |
220. Your father was paying attention to Carter... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #220 |
224. +1....about Carter..he was disappointing..and so much hope was placed in him |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
214. Mandates |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
217. We feel betrayed, big moneyed interests own this gov't. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
228. How to Push Obama |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. It's hard to push someone if they won't let you in the room. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
235. k&r for the truth, however depressing. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
239. Democrats are miserable |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
242. A poll showing Obama's support amongst Dems being very high was posted here. |
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