So, HCR supporters - how's that a Vagina Tax gonna go over with females?

[RainDog]

if you're female, your vagina has to be taxed separately in case you have a medical procedure that has to do with your vagina?

that's not a big tent. that's a sick piece of shit in this bill.

[joeybee12]

1. Did you mean HCR?

HRC is Hilary Rodham Clinton or Human Rights Campaign!!!!!

[RainDog]

3. lol. fixed. women should get fixed, too. those bad vaginas!! n/t

[joeybee12]

7. Bad naughty vagina! Go to your room. No supper for you tonight! n/t

[RainDog]

12. Bad vagina! bad. we must punish you for not liking helmet haired politcos

who undermine women's reproductive health.

between the closeted gays who are conservative and the women-hating conservadems, this country has some serious problems with its sexuality among the powerful.

bad vagina, bad!

[CreekDog]

98. those abbreviations sure made for a confusing primary season

:dilemma:

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

2. Did i miss something? Vagina Tax?

"your vagina has to be taxed separately in case you have a medical procedure that has to do with your vagina"
I haven't heard of this one yet.

[RainDog]

5. it's the "separate but equal" Nelson two gender health care provision

that forces women to buy separate insurance in case they need an abortion.

[StreetKnowledge]

56. Is that seriously in there?

And any female Democratic Senators voted in favor of that? :o

Fucking Nelson. :mad:

[pitohui]

87. abortion is not expensive enough to require separate insurance

that's just nuisance insurance like buying separate "cancer" insurance

abortion is actually a cheap, affordable procedure and prob. because most women AFAIK to preserve their privacy pay in cash and give some random name anyway so insurance wouldn't have ever done them any good -- there isn't any insurance "price support" to inflate the costs of abortions

if all surgeries were as cheap and uncomplicated as abortion we wouldn't have an issue with health care in this country

i'm not worried abt insuring aga. needing an abortion, you can always find a few hundred dollars if you're desperate enough, i'm worried abt insuring aga. traffic accidents and heart disease -- most people no matter how desperate or how well armed are not gonna be able to drum up a spare six figures

[stray cat]

6. I think the poster doesn't know the difference between an abortion and a vagina

[RainDog]

8. Abortions are not possible with dicks

including those who meddle in women's health because of their religious sickness.

[Tailormyst]

26. I think I love you !

[Tailormyst]

25. Oh yes- Women will have to pay a separate charge in insure their Vagina's

Nelson amendment ! Just think- You could have a list of all those naughty Vagina's out there who think they might need the insurance someday. That would prove just how naughty they are.

SLUTS, all of them !!!!!!!!!

[dysfunctional press]

31. only if they might want to have an abortion sometime in their lives.

not all women will be 'forced' to buy additional insurance.

[Tailormyst]

34. ...................

I'm hoping you are being sarcastic in that answer.

[dysfunctional press]

35. not at all.

my wife is past menopause...why would she need to purchase extra coverage for an abortion?

if a woman has had a tubal ligation- what are the chances of her needing abortion coverage...?

if a woman's religious beliefs preclude her from having an abortion under ANY circumstance- would she purchase coverage?

[Cleobulus]

41. So basically most women(85%+) under the age of 35 would have to buy this "tax"...

Uhm, yeah, that sounds equitable, NOT!

[dysfunctional press]

44. i never claimed it was.

only that not ALL women will need to purchase it. not by a long shot.

[Cleobulus]

45. No, just the vast majority and that's bad enough, but don't try to minimize it. n/t

[dysfunctional press]

49. the 'vast' majority?

obviously you must have the figures to back that claim up...?

[Cleobulus]

54. What figures would be needed, precisely?

Do you want census figures telling what percentage of women are between the ages of 13-45 or so(some variation from onset of period until menopause). Are you arguing that this doesn't constitute the vast majority of women in the United States?

[dysfunctional press]

61. i have no idea what the figures are- that's why i asked you to back it up.

anybody can use words like "vast" :shrug:

[Cleobulus]

67. Alright, fine, according to Census estimates, as of July 1 2008...

there are 83,276,903 females between the ages of 10 to 49. That is approximately 54% of the total population of females in the United States.

Information is provided here:

http://www.census.gov/popest/national/asrh/NC-EST2008-sa.html

Are you happy now?

[dysfunctional press]

72. 10-49...? what happened to "13-45"...? have to fudge your numbers to get it over 50%?

by the way- 54% is NOT a "vast"(your word) majority.

maybe you should try ages 5-60?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

70. 43.9% - This DO NOT comprise a majorty of women in the US.

Using the 2008 Census, women ages 15-44 comprises 40.7% of the female population. Extrapolating for 12-13 yr olds gives about 43.9% of the total female population being 13-44yrs old. Obviously, ~44% is not a majority, much less a "vast majority". Also, keep in mind that a number of women within that age group may not ever require an abortion (religious, physiological, moral) so the percentage that would consider extended abortion coverage would dwindle even further.

[joeybee12]

52. Yeah, everyone PLANS for an abortion...how ridiculous...

...you have to buy it in case somewhere down the road you might need it...you don't just and can't just go out and buy it the moment you decide you need an abortion.

[dysfunctional press]

63. "PLANS" is your word, not mine.

not all women need to worry about it.

my wife is past menopause.
my sister had a tubal ligation.
some women's religion will not allow them to have an abortion under any circumstances.

[joeybee12]

68. Dam straight it's my word, because you don't seem to understand that...

...this is a rider that the majority of women of child-bearing age will have to get if they think there is even a remote possibility they might need an abortion...an extra burden, an extra cost. It sucks. Oh yeah, and women who think it's against their religion, well, down the road, they might have a decision to make that they never thought they ahd to...stop defending Nelson and the cowards who let him get away with this disgusting garbage!

[dysfunctional press]

69. "stop defending Nelson and the cowards who let him get away with this disgusting garbage!"

please point out where i did anything of the kind.

[pitohui]

89. insurance is to protect against devastating costs, abortion is cheap

i don't understand why you would buy abortion insurance

insurance is to protect from devastating financial impacts

it's like people who want to buy trip insurance for a $2,000 cruise, i mean why? if the cruise doesn't go, they're not out anything that changes their lives, save your insurance dollar for replacing your home if it's destroyed by a storm or for major chemo that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and pay the small stuff out of pocket/savings

[dysfunctional press]

103. excellent point.

especially since most women will probably never need an abortion in their lifetime, and an even smaller number will have multiple procedures.

what happens as far as possible complications related to, during, or post-procedure...? would/could those be covered by 'regular' insurance or not, in the bills under consideration?

[FLDCVADem]

96. The extra cost would be there anyway

If abortion is covered by insurance, the rates will be higher. Pay it together or pay it separately, it's still going to cost more.

[roody]

53. It could be called the uterus tax.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

66. Much more comforting.

Vagina tax?!?
That would make young attractive males everywhere broke.

[EFerrari]

4. Greenwald brought up something else. All that "pay your own way"

business also leaves a papertrail and is yet another invasion of privacy.

[Wapsie B]

11. Yup, just like HIPAA ends up ensuring anything but privacy.

[cali]

9. it's a uterus tax, not a vagina tax.

[unblock]

33. +1

for technical accuracy!

[PCIntern]

10. Vagina's like a big tent? What?

Wow...DU's gettin' innarestin'...

[slackmaster]

13. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable.

[RainDog]

14. LOL. I know. VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA

AND... clitoris. and multiple orgasms!!!

it must be sad to hate women so much.

[onehandle]

71. I like the vagina.

The vagina has been very good to me.

[Kansas Wyatt]

75. Men come into this world, because they can't wait to get out of the vagina...

Then spend the rest of their life trying to get back in.

:blush:

[phasma ex machina]

77. LOL

:rofl:

[coti]

81. Johnson? nt

[old mark]

15. So, you need a license for it now? Like a switchblade knife, you can own it, but not use it.....nt

[RainDog]

17. I'm carrying without a license

maybe I can go to a doctor and claim I have a problem with camel toe. surely Nelson won't go after podiatry.

[Jamastiene]

20. ...

:spray:

[Starry Messenger]

24. Oh I like your style.

:D

[cliffordu]

36. well.......

:rofl:

[old mark]

39. Hey, don't point that thing at me!!!!

Do you come here often?

mark

[Kansas Wyatt]

78. Just become a radical leftist and go commando.

Wear miniskirts for extra shock & awe value.

[Jamastiene]

21. I'm carryin concealed right now.

:P

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

27. I left mine in the car. My workplace doesn't allow them.

Oh, wait... are we talking about vaginas?

[LiberalFighter]

16. Shouldn't there be a tax to gain access to the vagina?

Especially if the male is not married to the female.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

18. An idea like that could pay off the national debt -- just of Republican Congressman

nt

[Sal Minella]

29. We need a Vagina-USE tax equal to the vagina tax,

proceeds to go into a fund earmarked for abortions for anyone who needs one, male or female . . . .

[old mark]

40. Oh, there is, believe me, there is.........nt

[Jamastiene]

19. Why are my senators thinking about my vagina?

I CERTAINLY don't think about their vagina and penis.

I feel so violated and :puke:

[readmoreoften]

22. Great a two-sex insurance system! Will transmen have to pay the vagina tax?

Considering some have no ovaries and they don't menstruate, but can't afford (or have no interest in having their vaginas removed?

[Neecy]

28. Someone on Kos

Is actually arguing that this legislation doesn't affect us at all, because we can still get hysterectomies without taking out an additional policy for it.

Isn't that swell?

[pitohui]

91. hysterectomy significantly more expensive/major surgery than abortion

i truly don't see your point

the cost of a hysterectomy could financially devastate most people who weren't wealthy

the cost of an abortion is affordable to everyone except very poor women, who can't travel to the few places where abortion is available anyway, i don't even know if anyone can get abortion in louisiana any more -- the cost of an abortion is trivial compared to the cost of travel which isn't covered by health insurance anyway

abortion has always been the privilege of the upper middle class, the well to do, and the educated

sure i wish all women had free access to abortion but this law doesn't change anything, it was ever thus except for some brief moment in the 70s and 80s...

[dysfunctional press]

30. not unless they feel they might want to have an abortion sometime in the future.

[Cleobulus]

43. Any woman who is capable of reproducing may want or need an abortion in the future...

so what the fuck is your point?

[dysfunctional press]

50. "Considering some have no ovaries and they don't menstruate..."

does that sound like someone who's 'capable of reproducing'...?

what the fuck is your i.q.?

:eyes:

[Cleobulus]

55. And what percentage of women are those? n/t

[dysfunctional press]

59. a BIG percentage of trannies, i would guess...

that is who the post was addressing, after all.

(you DO have at least a rudimentary level of reading comprehension, i presume...?)

[Cleobulus]

60. Well shit, I wasn't paying attention to the subthread, my bad, though your use of "trannies"...

can be rather offensive, I would advise you delete that.

[dysfunctional press]

62. i would advise that you pay more attention in the future...

rather than just posting ignorant shit.

[yankeeinlouisiana]

57. "Any woman". Actually any female

past puberty. Don't forget about our daughters. It's not only adult women that get pregnant. I'll have to buy this "insurance" for my daughter.

[Cleobulus]

58. In a post above this poster demanded figures on my claim that this would affect...

the vast majority of women. I asked if he wanted to see census figures for the 13-45 age group or something.

[Tailormyst]

23. Those naughty Vagina's, if they wore a proper chastisy belt they wouldn't be able to be so slutty!

[RedCloud]

32. What if it causes a split, you know, North Vagina and South Vagina?

Public Officials be warned.

Do nothing to desecrate my first home!

[dysfunctional press]

38. the nation has survived that kind of gash once already...

and most likely would again.

[GA_ArmyVet]

73. I thought it East and West Vagina (nt)

[Stinky The Clown]

37. Contextually, I think you mean uterus ...... but your point is clear.

[Odin2005]

42. K&R!!! Abortion is a medical procedure, period.

[TxRider]

46. I thought it was just abortion that wasn't covered.

Not anything to to do with a vagina or uterus.

Or are things like cervical cancer, hysterectomy, and other things excluded as well?

[Cleobulus]

47. That may be true, however pregnancy(and its complications) are the most common...

medical condition that women face.

[TxRider]

48. None of which are exluded beside terminating the pregnancy.

Not to say the bill is a good thing, but it seems some are stretching things just a bit with this whole uterus vagina tax thing.

It's simply an abortion tax.

[Cleobulus]

51. Why would something like, for example, pre-natal care, be included and abortion excluded?

That seems discriminatory to me.

[dysfunctional press]

64. how many people consider pre-natal care to be murder?

[Lars39]

65. Ah, the old "women who have abortions are murderers" claim.

A woman has the right to defend herself against an unwanted pregnancy. Otherwise you are talking forced childbirth.

[iris27]

74. When a preganancy turns out to be ectopic, quite a lot of them.

If I opt not to pay the "reproductively capable lady" tax and end up with an ectopic pregnancy, are they going to bill me $$$ for an abortion? Or do what they did in pre-Roe days, let me bleed out and risk death to make sure the embryo is expelled before they'll treat me?

[dysfunctional press]

76. it probably depends on the language of the final bill.

which has yet to be determined. :shrug:

[iris27]

83. So this is what we're saying - this will have real impact on a lot of women's lives,

not just those who think they may want an abortion at some point in the future, but more every woman during her reproductively-capable years.

[dysfunctional press]

85. it seems likely to be the thorniest issue as they try to meld the house and senate bills.

the 'hyde amendment' is what ultimately needs to be done away with.

[RainDog]

79. some people consider war murder but they don't get to decide for the rest of the nation

when the nation decides to go to war.

the truth of the matter is it doesn't matter if one religious group thinks that a medical procedure constitutes murder. it is legal and it is WRONG to let religious assholes determine health care for females.

a female with a pregnancy that goes wrong and a fetus dies... those women don't plan to have an abortion but that's the procedure that is done for a dead fetus. Nelson and the rest of ANYONE IN THIS NATION who tries to tell women what they can do with their bodies have no business doing so. they want to force women to pay extra money for this procedure?

if a 12 year old is raped and her parents didn't buy abortion insurance for her - if she doesn't admit she was raped by, say, someone she knows, she then has to pay for an abortion (and if she's in OK they want to post her name online?)

This is sick, sick, sick shit.

Honestly.

This is sexually deviant bullshit on the part of religious extremists in this nation and it is wrong.

If you cannot understand this, you are the one with the problem.

[dysfunctional press]

80. that's because they don't have as much political clout as the ones who think abortion is murder.

as a vasectomized male, abortion is nowhere near an important issue for me- but i always support/vote for pro-choice candidates.

[RainDog]

82. It is an issue for me because I support women's rights

I am not going to have an abortion. I have a tubal ligation. I have two sons. But I am not the only person who is important in this health care debate. Poor women are the ones who will bear the brunt of the religious right's hatred of women.

All the republicans will make sure their daughters have safe and legal abortion available to them. but if you're a poor women, you health care gets to be decided by idiots. sad. truly sad.

[dysfunctional press]

84. as a woman that's understandable.

like i said- i always vote for and support pro-choice candidates...but my money, my time, and my effort generally go to other issues.

we each have to choose our battles.

[FLDCVADem]

99. Please stop spreading lies

Argue all you want about abortion funding, but no one in OK is proposing that names of women having abortions be posted on-line.

[RainDog]

101. pardon me. what was the violation of privacy that OK legislators wanted to impose upon women?

can you clarify that for me so that I won't misrepresent the people from the state that elected James (stupidity knows no bounds) Inhofe?

[FLDCVADem]

102. There was indeed all sorts of personal information

that I agree doesn't belong on-line or in public records at all, but names were not part of it.

I just get so tired of people spouting inaccuracies - it's bad enough without making stuff up.

[Dr. Strange]

86. As soon as I saw the word "vagina," I knew RainDog had to be involved.

:hi: :hug:

[Skittles]

88. I WILL KICK RAINDOG VAGINA-OBSESSED ASS

YES INDEED

[Dr. Strange]

90. That sounds like a great title for a song!

:D

[RainDog]

94. eeeeeek!

this is me -->:yoiks:

[RainDog]

92. lol. those cheeky vaginas

[Dr. Strange]

93. Pfffth!

Why I outta!

[gardenista]

95. Well, since I can't get reasonable coverage

until I "give birth to a viable infant" (how's that for a reason for denial of insurance? Thanks Blue Shield!)

I figure I've been paying a "vagina tax" for about five years now...

[CreekDog]

97. They should pay for it with that Penis Tax everyone was talking about

:hide:

[Bluebear]

100. What's all this I hear about Virginia getting a new tax?