Think about this , why are they voting on X-mas eve ?

[blues90]

They have had almost an entire year to get this sham of a health ins re-form bill together which not many still even come close to understanding.

Yet they now know it will be the final vote on X-mas eve.

Is this their way of saying that they are with the working class hero that has been sucked down the drain where many working min wage service jobs all hours and days of the week. Is this their way of saying they know what sacrifice really is and a way to align themselves sitting there in the capital with the working poor as if they have even seen this life.

It certainly sounds like some sort of planned sales pitch to me.

If they were really working for the people in any real sense then on X-mas eve we would hear the wars have now ended and we are pulling out now. But a health ins bill that does not take affect for 4 or 5 years , just get her done no matter how twisted the bill might be.

I am really sick of the idea of the city on the hill where no expense is spared even in a time where many people can't even afford to eat. They sit on the hill like kings and queens of royalty all with the best of the best.

How many years and decades have they sent the working class hero off to fight their damn wars for the corporate interests, how many jobs have they looked the other way while they were shipped away, how many times have they sat there in their wealth and lied in campaigns with promises never kept just to get their vote so they could retain their fat cat seats. When was there a time when the people were ever considered as anything other than expendable assets?

When will the day come when we see the reality of the decades we were used as stepping stones for their personal profit. If we have to allow votes to get some bill passed and it requires the already corporate owned and paid for reps to be openly bribed for their vote for a bill what does that make the reps and then who just are the people other than fools and fodder?

Name just one politician who is not wealthy and has done their job they swore to do which was to work for the people and not the other way around.

Who built these castles the politicians work in , the people , the working class hero who remain nameless. Who built these churches of assive size and formed the gold. Who died for their position and who dies tomarrow to maintain it.

The working class hero.

They call it tradition , I call it an abomination. It is the peoples white house not the Obama white house.

Read The Libido for the Ugly
by H.L. Mencken just to get a sense of how the working class hero has been used. Here is one link to it.

http://grammar.about.com/od/classicessays/a/hlmlibidougly.htm

[Myrina]

1. .. its a Christmas gift to the insurance industry, that's why.

:(

[OhioChick]

5. Bingo! n/t

[Individualist]

45. Exactly!

[Poll_Blind]

2. "Here's your fucking Christmas present motherfuckers!" n/t

PB

[Davis_X_Machina]

3. It's because Lieberman is Orthodox...

...and hence cannot vote on Erev Christmas, because it's a yom tov.

[Raine]

4. and then they whine about having

to work Christmas Eve. :eyes: BFD I've worked Christmas Eve, at least it's their choice not everyone has that choice. They all make me sick! :puke:

[RB TexLa]

6. Christmas eve isn't a holiday, it's a normal working day.

[blues90]

10. never was for the congerss and the senate , never. nt

[onenote]

42. rarely, yes. Never, no

Not unless your definition of never means, except in,say 1963.

http://clerk.house.gov/art_history/highlights.html?action=view&intID=184

[blues90]

48. Ok 1963 and it's now on the edge of 2010

Pretty rare with a very long gap. It's
like a pregnant women being told the exact day and time she will give birth.

[NNN0LHI]

7. I think its a conspiracy

:tinfoilhat:

[blues90]

8. Who un-rec this , I am not out for the big prize here

Just read the artical I posted and open your eyes.

[napi21]

9. Not really. They finally got their 60 votes on Friday. They HAD

to vote on the funding of the troops on Sat. There are Senate rules that state votes must be at least 30 hours apart. They are holding this vote tomorrow AM at 1:00. The next vote will be at 1:01 on Tuesday. The bill will go before the commitee and be presented to the House & Senate again. If they get the cloture vote on Wed. the final vote will be Thrusday. The earliest they can hold the final vote is Thursday accordihg to the Senate rules.

I have to believe there are really a lot of PO'D Senators right now.

[blues90]

11. As I said they had almost a year . So this is just the luck of the times?

I doubt it.

[napi21]

12. That's the way all negotiations go. Down to the last minute.

If you've ever been part of another negotiation like unions, or any others, it always comes down to the wire, and the first one to blink wins.

[blues90]

13. Sorry , I just can't buy that. . nt

[napi21]

14. Obviously you have a right to your own opinion. I HAVE been part of many corporate

negotiations for many things. It always turns out like that, and you either win, or both patries walk away.

[blues90]

16. I'm talking about the house , sight one time they have worked in X-mas ve.

I have worked the working class hero jobs other than one time for a few years when I was a manager dealing with customer rage.

Just show me one time you recall the house working X-mas eve , that's all I ask. And at least read the artical I linked to.

[tabatha]

21. See #19.

[napi21]

26. Sorry, I'm not that familiar with history. The reason the House is working

this time is to get the damn final votes on this bill in both houses before Christmas. Sure they should have gotten it done before then, but with the Pubs throwing every obstacle they could think of, it didn't happen.

I honestly don't feel a lot of sympathy for these guys. It's part of the job. Just get the damn thing done!

These folks work less days than anyone I know except those who are retired. They still make a nice salary, and it's a guaranteed job for at least 2 years (or 6). Nice benefits, losts of publicity if you really want it, and REAL NICE JOBS after you leave office.

It's inconvienent this time. GET OVER IT!

[blues90]

33. I will not get over it or become someones fool

This was palnned and no matter how you want to defend this it will not fly as simply coincidence. How can you believe that , there are 365 days in a year and this just happens to land on midnight x-mas eve 2009. Please!

[napi21]

50. I didn't mean for YOU to get over it. I was speaking to all the AH;s who delayed this moment and

are not complaining about it being so late (or early) and they wanted to be home for the Holidays!

I honestly don't believe it was planned by anybody. The opponents desperately wanted the whole thing to go down in flames! They were the ones who lost momentum!

[onenote]

53. I'm guessing you have no first hand experience with how the Senate works

Is it "planned" -- only in the sense that once it became apparent it couldnt be done before then, it was scheduled for when it could be done.

I spent most of this year working on a piece of legislation. It passed the House. Round the clock negotiations with the Senate led to agreement on identical language in the Senate. Because, by then, there was no time to pass it as a stand alone piece of legislation, it was going to be added to Defense Approps bill and pushed through that way -- its "must pass" legislation in that it reauthorizes provisions in the Copyright Act that would otherwise expire at the end of the year. But, in the final 36 hours before the vote on the approps bill, one Senator -- just one -- raised objections. The result -- instead of a five year extension of the law, there was a simple 2 month extension and numerous other related changes in the law that have been necessitated by technological changes were shelved until Congress comes back.

Its damn near impossible to stage manage the Senate to the degree you seem to believe has happened here.

[tabatha]

19. If you had listened today, you would have heard

how much the republicans have been throwing everything in their way.

Over 100 filibusters in this year --- unprecedented.

I HATE it when the left behaves like the right ---- "oooh, they are giving a Xmas gift to the insurance companies".

Utter BS.

They are working as hard as they can with the worst bunch of republicans in history.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/12/must-see-video-sheldon-whitehouse-lying.html

Watch the above video.

[blues90]

23. I know all of that . Still what timing , does that not bother you

just in a personal sense? We could all win the lottery with this sort of timing. I have never seen anything like this and still we really don't know what the final bill will be and they run this until the last minute.

The Dems have been no prize in this either you do know that.

[dflprincess]

25. The worst bunch of "Democrats" in history as well

They're just being dramatic with the Christmas Eve thing. Trying to make us think that they take "reform" seriously when all they're doing is selling us to the insurance companies.

[GreenArrow]

51. "Merry Christmas America, you stupid fucks!"

HO HO HO HO HO HO!!!

[salguine]

15. I'm sure they think (rightly) that the least number of people will be paying attention then.

[blues90]

18. Very possible , NT

[tabatha]

20. See #19.

And STOP making shit up.

[salguine]

41. Ignore list for you.

[chill_wind]

37. That's the way the Republicans operated especially on the more odious and infamous

acts of legislation. Sherrod Brown wrote an excellent long rant about that some years ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2747012

[chill_wind]

38. self-delete dupe

[snagglepuss]

49. Bingo nt

[eilen]

17. It is imperative for the President to sign before Jan 1

He has made deals with certain entities. Timing is everything.

[blues90]

22. how long does it take to sign a bill ?

He knows and we know he will sign it so why not dec 24th?

[onenote]

44. The president doesn't sign a "bill" -- the president signs an "act"

And in order for the health care bill to become an act, the same bill has to pass both houses. Assuming the Senate acts as scheduled, there will be two different bills that have passed the House and Senate and before anything goes to the president, there will have to be a conference and then both the House and Senate will have to vote again.

[blues90]

46. Yes I understand that., I question the timing.

They have re- hashed this bill to death and it's been close to a year and out of the clear blue , well the smog filled sky as I see it now, it lands on X-mas eve. It has been written and re-writen and presented and debated and all sorts of ammendments added to and removed from it and here it stands as a vote on X-mas eve.

There is no way on earth this is by shear chance. One out of 365 days?

[onenote]

43. wrong

There is zero chance of the bill getting through conference and both houses by Jan 1 at this point.

[Mari333]

24. Baby Jesus weeps. nt

[earth mom]

27. Will anybody be paying attention on Christmas Eve?

It's the perfect time to screw the people over.

as in: Merry Christmas you fuckers! :grr:

[blues90]

30. That's the problem I have with it , the timing and other things.

Who can possibly buy the idea that doing the vote on X-mas eve was not planned , what are the odds here? It's like predicting the second you will die. Talk about brain washed , this is brainwashed by the removal of the top of the skull and putting ones head in the ocean.

I wonder what their jesus would have to say about this on X-mas eve if one buys into the biblical stories and the arc.

I still say it is planned to be the gift that not many dare to open no matter how pretty it is wrapped. Have the bomb squad check it out first.

If I recall didn't Obama say when he walked into the white house he found a box of inherited bad stuff wrapped in a box with a ribbon?

[Skittles]

28. it's all part of the dog and pony show

[girl gone mad]

29. "Happy Birthday, Jesus. I hope you like crap!"

[freddie mertz]

31. Adding insult to injury I guess.

What's the rush?

Afraid the details will get out after the holidays?

[FarCenter]

32. Because it is going to be a really ugly baby!

[Nikki Stone1]

34. No, they using Christmas Eve as bludgeon on Democrats. They are going to stay until they pass it

or prevent everyone from spending Christmas with their families. It's a nasty tactic but it works.

[blues90]

35. Well what does this really say about Dems and reaching

across the aisle? How could the Dems not possibly learned by now? If we are going to be content with a split and divided country and buy into the obvious payback because it is clear the Repubs did the same thing to the Dems since 2000 and now the tables have the tables have turned it looks like payback at the sacrifice of the people not the reps who live high off the hog . What have they got to lose. They get their pension and Ins for life and most from both sides are so well off that even without that they are set . We are pawns in their game , if the left and right would band together we would break this trend , most of us want the same thing , those that work for a living. It's the government and media games that divided us . It's just one huge game played by the sick and people fall for this . Yes there are freaks on both sides who keep balloon boy afloat.

[Nikki Stone1]

36. Great use of balloon boy metaphor!

I wasn't expecting that. :)

[treestar]

39. This is when they got to it

:tinfoilhat:

[leftstreet]

40. Because it'll take a FUCKING MIRACLE to hold on to the midterms n/t

[gravity]

47. Obama wants the bill passed before the SOTU in January

He wants to have the bill behind him so he can focus his agenda on jobs creation.

[onenote]

52. how many people questioning this are the same people who claim reid doesn't ever play hardball?

Not saying that Reid has done a good job. Just saying that this is the sort of tactic that he's been criticized for not employing in the past.