I don't know intergalactic chess games very well; which move was this?

[newtothegame]

From the DU'ers whose obsession with the "historicalness" of November 2008 led them to defend every anti-progressive move by this administration as all part of a genius-ly calculated chess game being played in the cosmos, I ask only that they tell us which move was this? Pawn to rook 4? Enlighten us.

[Oregone]

1. Thatd be pawn to rook 4^5

Were not in 2D anymore, baby!

[Richard Steele]

2. Ninja to Mistress4- Classmate in 3. duh. nm

[Ildem09]

3. I dunno if you know this or not

but the chess game is also temporal! Obama WON even before he moved the first pawn!? which was sometime in 1918 and I dont know if you know this or not. but everything that ever happened in the history of everything is because of this chess game. the haters just cant see it

-So long and thanks for all the fish

Im deliriously sleeply

[RoyGBiv]

4. What?

[boppers]

5. I dunno what angle you talking about, but it goes like this:

If Obama gave progressives everything they demanded, he would have been impeached, or in prison, (or both) by now. Progressives have demanded outright illegal and criminal behavior, and screamed when it didn't happen.

Obama's actually playing the game by the rules, and that seems to really upset people who want the game to have different rules.

[nofurylike]

8. well said, boppers. thank you. nt

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[laughingliberal]

12. Are those the rules where you move into the White House and start running away from the ideas you

campaigned on and the party's platform? Those are new rules to me.

[boppers]

13. These are the rules where the President doesn't get to act like a dictator.

Obama isn't Zelaya.

One of those two men is still in office for a reason: Rather than grabbing power and trying to rule by fiat, he's trying to legally create change. This means he has to actually compromise, and work with the existing rules, rather than magically create new ones on his own (or refuse to honor existing ones).

[Luminous Animal]

15. Impeached for what? In prison for what?

What illegal and criminal behavior have "progressives' demanded of Obama?

If you don't answer than I can only conclude that you are dishonest.

[boppers]

18. Well, thank you for the call to action.

Demands included:
Arresting people without a warrant.
Bypassing federal law in favor of state law, or no law.
Ignoring/refusing congressional laws.

Check out a DU thread on any controversial topic, and you'll often see calls for Obama to over-ride the courts, or congress, and act as a dictator.

Which would be an impeachable crime.

DOMA? There have been calls to ignore law.
Abu Ghirab? There have been calls to ignore law.
GITMO? There have been calls to ignore law.

It's a long list.

[andym]

6. I hope it's a poison pawn

but not for us, but for the insurers. How? Follow it up with "Medicare Reform" next year through reconciliation where Medicare is opened up to everyone at a cost slightly higher then actual, in order to "save" Medicare. If they pass the current bill, the newly open Medicare could then be allowed on the exchange, so that people who qualify can choose it and get subsidies that otherwise would go to the private plans.

[Hippo_Tron]

7. This was the Lieberman dilemma

He also can't be bargained with, shamed, threatened, or intimidated. He's going to quit the Senate after this term and become a health care lobbyist. No chess move can solve that problem.

[laughingliberal]

14. I gotta tell you, that would have been easier to believe if we'd seen a little more fight from him

at the beginning of the debate. He was all but silent for a long time and when he did start talking his message seemed to be to tell us to quit worrying about the public option. The fact that he supported Joe in keeping his Senate seat was suspicious and the quote from Russ Feingold the other day saying this was the bill the President always wanted all looks bad.

[Hippo_Tron]

19. Politics is all about picking fights you think you can win and fights have consequences

Remember that in 1994 Clinton waved around a pen and threatened to veto any bill that didn't include an employer mandate and the result was that there was no health care bill at all. You can't "fight the good fight" and then if that fails expect to get a compromise bill. If you make threats publicly you box yourself into a corner and thus you either wind up with a good bill (with some probability) or zilch (with some probability).

[pennylane100]

10. Pawn to rook 4

is a very bad opening move, so I take it that the game has progressed and to answer that question, what does the rest of the field look like.

[Jamastiene]

11. Check mate

They just pulled their masks off and revealed that they despise progressives and are going to let the right wing continue to dictate all legislation from here on out.

[midnight]

16. K&R

[Le Taz Hot]

17. LOL!

"historicalness"

Excellent. Thanks for making this bleary-eyed insomniac laugh.