Has anyone here actually read the entire bill?

[cliffordu]

Or are we all getting jacked up over what tweety and his ilk 'report'??

I haven't read it, so I dunno.....

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. There is no bill.

[cliffordu]

8. It was a trick question.

[pscot]

58. Now you tell us

after I went and read the goddamned thing.

[cliffordu]

67. well...

:rofl:

Sorry. I'll make it up to you......

[NYC_SKP]

2. No more MSNBC for me.

Like Tweety, Ratigan, stress inducing.

I can catch Olberman and Maddow and Ed or whatever on youtube.

Moving from Comcast to Dish dropped MSNBC, couldn't watch it if I had to.

Off topic, I know.

But so far, Dish f'n rocks!

Almost everything is HD and it's 10 bucks cheaper.

I might upgrade one level to get Planet Green, Smithsonian, Science, and BBC America, which are not in the TurboHD Silver package.

What else do you want to know?

:P

[graywarrior]

4. I'm within an inch of dumping this place

[cliffordu]

7. I hear ya, but please don't....

You're one of the few sane ones left.

[graywarrior]

12. I've lost respect for a lot of people here

Disagree with whomever or whatever but exhibiting such hatred is vile and an eye opener to me.

[Cetacea]

26. +1

[uppityperson]

52. +++++++++++111111111111111

Yup. Disagree but why the nastiness? I've been here little recently because of it. bah

[tavalon]

53. Horizontal violence is common among the servent class

We don't feel heard by our masters and so we snipe at one another. As a 20 year veteran in a profession that is rife with horizontal violence, I know it when I see it. I wondered what we were going to do when all the benchmarks were hit (Democratic majority in the House and Senate, Democratic President) and still We The People were being marginalized and ignored. Now I know what the first step is - we revert to helpless anger toward one another. Hopefully, we won't get stuck here and move on to a more empowered place.

[tandot]

56. +1000. Totally agree with you

I guess lots of people don't seem to understand the word "constructive criticism" ...

It is really sad that the rules aren't enforced.

[NYC_SKP]

17. Been almost there. Unbelievable. But...

The people like you, gray, make it worth being here.

Ya Know?

:loveya:

Don't be leavin', don't be breakin' my heart!

[graywarrior]

19. I'll stick around long enough to watch everyone rally behind the health bill once it takes affect

I'm taking names....lol

[NYC_SKP]

33. 14

or 15, that I have on "block PMs".

OTOH, there are 60 or 70 on my buddy list, folks who stand up against the bullshit.

Of course, those 14 or 15 are the loudest.

[graywarrior]

35. I have no idea who thinks like I do except for you and a handful of others

[cliffordu]

37. I would claim to, but everyone knows I don't think....

That being said, I like the way you do think.

[Egnever]

45. Hah!

[HughMoran]

21. I took a day off from DU this week

It was tough, but I think it did me some good. Also, I added a few people to ignore and hid another 30 or so threads. Hiding those posts written with gritted teeth does help considerably.

[graywarrior]

27. More nasty threads take the place of hidden ones

It's almost more civil over at the other place, altho GD & GDP are beginning to sound just like them.

[HughMoran]

43. it makes people mad when I say this

...But I equate the pack mentality of the haters to a pack of hyenas attacking from every angle. As you save your right foot, another rips a chunk of flesh from your left shoulder. It's the pack mentality (challenge one person and 5 others jump in and start on you) that is most disturbing. It feels like high school all over again. Don't you just love it when people feel free to cut you down while talking to another DUer? That takes a lot of guts :sarcasm:

[cliffordu]

6. Dish is for wannabees. I gots the directv

Do you really, really like me.

Or just love hijacking me and my threads???


I'm really done with Andrea the cryptkeeper mitchell and that fuckding tweety.


Although Ed really was a blast yesterday when he called tweety out for dissing the activists....

[NYC_SKP]

14. You've gone over the edge.

What are you, in the pockets of AT&T?

Now, if they had U-Verse in my area I might have gotten that, but they don't.

And the airheads at the ATT store didn't understand their own product.

So I found a local installer for Dish, he reminded me of you, and he dug up the right product for me including DVR, two HD receivers, no installation or equipment costs, 54/month fixed for two years.

That damn "low price for first 12 months" crap was pissing me off (they all do this)-- I was shopping for year 2 and 3 and the like, not falling for that first year bullshit.

Anyway, I don't even know what to do with all the HD programming.

So, how do you like your DirectTV, traitor?

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

23. Kiss my overstuffed ass.

Wait till you need those fuckers for something...I dare you to call customer service today sometime......


I have an Iphone, too. I HEART AT&T!!!!!

[NYC_SKP]

31. I give ATT like $300 a month. iPhone, local, long, DSL.

They get enough from me.

I'm coveting a new 3GS, has the cool compass and video and my 3G just has, well, all that great stuff.

I love going to google maps, satellite view, then watching myself as a blue dot wander around the parking lot of the Hooters or whatever.

From Space!!!

[cliffordu]

39. I do that, too. It's a blast.

I have little app that turns my iphone into a REAL FUCKING 16 BIT 4 TRACK RECORDING STUDIO.

I paid 3400 dollars for a 4 track machine in 1972......And this one has a singnal to noise ratio that was impossible to achieve in '72

Astounding.

[NYC_SKP]

46. You paid too much.

I hope it got you laid a LOT!

[cliffordu]

62. Oh, yeah?? who's getting pilloried to the tune of

300 simoleons for their fucking PHONE???

I sure hope you're getting a nice kiss with that kind of fucking.

:rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

64. Paid for by work... nanner nanner.

Throw in that wireless connect card with unlimited downloads for a chuck of that 300.

Not that it helps if you leave the fucking laptop INSIDE the locked door with your keycard, etc...

[cliffordu]

66. Well....

BWANAAHAHA AHahahaha ahH Aha HAA Hhahahahahahah HA HA HA Aha hah

:bounce:

[NYC_SKP]

68. I notice one of YOUR replies in this thread was deleted. Something about your ass.

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

69. My well shaped, manly, befreckled ass??

[NYC_SKP]

70. No, your overstuffed ass.

The subject line was, and I quote, "Kiss my overstuffed ass."

I have the thread up on my desktop, pre-deletions.

One of the new mods must have caught it, or some prude alerted.

*snort*

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

71. :snort:

You alerted, didn't ya??


Tell the class, we all wanna know.....

[NYC_SKP]

73. Oh, well, it seems it wasn't deleted after all.

ALERT!!!

:P

[cliffordu]

74. Well...

Fuck me....BOTH of them were restored........I have a guardian angel......

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

10. Don't panic...I like being threadjacked....

It's more interesting than any of my OP's anyway.

[Name removed]

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[NYC_SKP]

18. Food Network.

Of course, more and more good content is online at HuLu, etc.

And I like my local programming, and some cool things like the NASA channel and Free Speech TV.

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

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[NYC_SKP]

29. The tuner goes up to 9999. The dish tracks 3 Satellites.

I don't even know 1/10 of the channels I'm getting, so there's more there than I can describe.

For example, a great Chinese Culture station I found.

Another, Pentagon Channel, had Stephen Colbert delivering an award to a General I did not recognize.

And HD on LCDs in two rooms, well, it's easier than getting video up on my macs with a slow DSL connection.

[cliffordu]

40. Mine tracks three sattelites, to, ya shill....

And MY tuner goes up to ninety eleventy.

[NYC_SKP]

44. LOLZ

What the fuck with the deleted threads.

What on earth did you write that got deleted???

[cliffordu]

55. It wasn't me - some other young person that,alas I believe is no longer with us....

[NYC_SKP]

59. i KNOW!

"101st monkey", can't find the little sucker anywhere!

Must have been working on it's post count.

Cuz this thread? series!

[cliffordu]

63. Yep - he was a little too polite and fawning to have lasted...

And he seemed to like you, too which is a surefire concrete chicklet where I come from.....

[cliffordu]

24. Bullshit.

You just like that nudie channel out of New York.

[G_j]

25. doesn't that include Free Speech TV?

check out the Global Report if you can.
:-)

[NYC_SKP]

34. Yes, it Does!!!

I'm lovin' it!

:P

[G_j]

41. Democracy Now! also, if I remember correctly

:thumbsup:

[Shagbark Hickory]

54. ?? Dishnetwork has MSNBC, you just might have to pay extra for it.

[ThomWV]

3. If you were to take the time to turn on C-Span 2 right now you could hear it being read.

Reid's amendment that is.

[midnight]

5. Go to c-span.

[HopeHoops]

9. No, and I doubt anyone in the Senate has (or will) either.

[aquart]

11. True.

[enlightenment]

13. I read this one:

http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf

At this point, I'm not sure what incarnation it is - but it seems to be relatively recent (not including Reid's amendments of course).

A lot of it is simply word revision to existing laws (percentage of text) and looks longer because of the formatting.

I haven't done a deep reading, however. Just a first run-through to get a sense of what I was getting myself into (i.e., do I need to have alcohol or a razorblade on standby?)

[cliffordu]

15. The alcohol for sure, maybe some barbiturates if it really gets

bad...

[Hekate]

20. I don't think anyone here actually has. nt

[FrenchieCat]

30. They haven't. and the comments are ridiculous!

Also, lotsta of little newbies yelling "Kill the Bill" and other niceties.

I find that the general mentality here is filled with hate, venom, and lashing out
about everything.

Quote from Blogger that I will probably add and use as part of my signature:

"Anyone who is “betrayed by their naiveté” should feel doubly ridiculous for thinking the change they voted for would come overnight. Status quo is not “kicked out of the door” like a weak, stray cat. Status quo has to be rallied against, systems have to be put in place to combat it, people have to put in work. Status quo will remain the “status quo” if people are too lazy to stick around for the entire fight."

[Egnever]

47. Thats a petty good quote.

[FrenchieCat]

65. Yep...it sums it up to a "T"

We attack those who are fighting the good fight at our own peril.
Then we will stand back, point fingers, scratch our ass,
and try to figure out what happened. What we won't do is look in the mirror
at the part many of us played, or failed to.

[Fumesucker]

28. By the time it's possible to read the actual bill it will be too late to do anything..

The time between "too early to react" and "too late to be any good" in our system has gotten to about negative two weeks.

[FrenchieCat]

32. So it's better to attack a bill without knowing what's really in it?

Sounds like the ignorant leading the ignorant.

The bill is going into conference.

[Fumesucker]

36. So it's better to support a bill without knowing what's really in it?

Frankly I don't trust our government not to FUBAR anything they touch, entirely too much of it is owned lock stock and barrel by the corporations.

[NYC_SKP]

49. Apparently.

In which case we need to ATTACK ALL BILLS.

:sarcasm:

:P

[laughingliberal]

51. Well, I have read most of the bill that is available for reading

I have tried to keep up with changes as they are reported. I didn't like the blended bill before they started tinkering but would have, probably, supported it with reservations as being fixable. What I know is the parts I thought gave us something to build on were taken out. Did just today find out about a little bombshell called flexible design which means the insurance companies can put together some pretty shabby policies that will still cost more than a lot of people can afford. Do I know everything in the bill? No. But I know most of it and any additional information that has trickled out over the past week or so has made it worse.

I'm not sure it's hateful to have an opposing opinion and try to let people know if I see a serious problem developing.

[phasma ex machina]

38. Some of the matter floating around in the chamber.

H.R.3962 To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.111HR3590

S.1679 An original bill to make quality, affordable health care available to all Americans, reduce costs, improve health care quality, enhance disease prevention, and strengthen the health care workforce.
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.111S1679

S.1796 An original bill to provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.111S1796

[LWolf]

42. At least as many, if not more, than

Congress people who read the IWR before voting on it.

[Egnever]

48. Where did you read it?

[LWolf]

61. .

http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf

[Egnever]

76. Thanks !

[tomm2thumbs]

50. think it's here

http://democrats.senate.gov/

[grantcart]

57. I am going to go line by line in through it tomorrow

It may be better than advertised.

http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/managers-amendment.pdf

Anybody who automatically rejects Ezra Klien, Bernie Saunders and Feingold better have a lot of very specific reasons to do so.

I wish Krugman would get specific and give a detailed analysis of it rather than a broad general statement.

A lot of very trusted names are lining up for it.

[Born_A_Truman]

75. I've been reading it tonight

It's 2074 pages so I won't get all of it read at once.

http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf

[cliffordu]

77. Don't forget to color inside the lines.....

I think it might be better than the hysterics here want to believe.

I also there will be a SECOND move on the part of the WH and the Dems to make a change in Medicare with reconciliation -

IN fact, I believe it. Just makes too much sense.

[Egnever]

78. A skim of the index

It looks to have some great stuff in it. Some of the title III stuff looks great.

[rucky]

60. I wish they'd put it on Google Wave or something.

[Enrique]

72. reading it wouldn't do any good for me

I've tried reading legislative language and it means very little to me.

Same goes for scientific literature, and I have a science background from college.

I need to rely on journalistic accounts in order to understand these things.