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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:05 AM
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Happy Earth Day! Now Go Buy Some Canvas Bags & Use Them At The Grocery Store
"Earth Day was founded by Gaylord Nelson, then a U.S. senator from Wisconsin, who called for an environmental teach-in or Earth Day to be held April 22, 1970. Over 20 million people participated in the event that it is now observed by more than 500 million people and governments in 184 countries."

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070422/LIFE/704220323


i was getting the groceries out of the trunk of my car when someone walked by and asked me where i got the grocery bags. they were canvas bags holding my groceries. i told her i bought them at the local craft store (3 for $8 and a couple larger ones for $5 each). she told me she saw an oprah show, and that oprah was selling canvas bags for $10 each. ("forget buying them from oprah--go to ______ and pick up some")

TODAY IS EARTH DAY. WHAT WILL YOU DO FOR THE EARTH TODAY?

suggestions:
replace some light bulbs with cfls and then join the DU group at:
http://onebillionbulbs.com/Group/DU
(16 of us have already reduced an estimated 7,000 of co2)

plant a tree

don't drive

don't use the plastic bags. anymore.

stay off the cell phones. (rumor has it that the frequency is a possible reason the bees are disappearing!)


Top Facts - Consumption

Each year, an estimated 500 billion to 1 trillion plastic bags are consumed worldwide. That comes out to over one million per minute. Billions end up as litter each year.

According to the EPA, over 380 billion plastic bags, sacks and wraps are consumed in the U.S. each year.

According to The Wall Street Journal, the U.S. goes through 100 billion plastic shopping bags annually. (Estimated cost to retailers is $4 billion)

According to the industry publication Modern Plastics, Taiwan consumes 20 billion bags a year—900 per person.

According to Australia’s Department of Environment, Australians consume 6.9 billion plastic bags each year—326 per person. An estimated .7% or 49,600,000 end up as litter each year.


Top Facts - Environmental Impact

Hundreds of thousands of sea turtles, whales and other marine mammals die every year from eating discarded plastic bags mistaken for food.

Plastic bags don’t biodegrade, they photodegrade—breaking down into smaller and smaller toxic bits contaminating soil and waterways and entering the food web when animals accidentally ingest.

As part of Clean Up Australia Day, in one day nearly 500,000 plastic bags were collected.

Windblown plastic bags are so prevalent in Africa that a cottage industry has sprung up harvesting bags and using them to weave hats, and even bags. According to the BBC, one group harvests 30,000 per month.

According to David Barnes, a marine scientist with the British Antarctic Survey, plastic bags have gone "from being rare in the late 80s and early 90s to being almost everywhere from Spitsbergen 78° North to Falklands 51° South .

Plastic bags are among the 12 items of debris most often found in coastal cleanups, according to the nonprofit Center for Marine Conservation.


Top Facts - Solutions

In 2001, Ireland consumed 1.2 billion plastic bags, or 316 per person. An extremely successful plastic bag consumption tax, or PlasTax, introduced in 2002 reduced consumption by 90%. Approximately 18,000,000 liters of oil have been saved due to this reduced production. Governments around the world are considering implementing similar measures.

July 2003, ReusableBags.com goes live, advancing the mainstream adoption of reusable shopping bags.

Each high quality reusable shopping bag you use has the potential to eliminate hundreds, if not thousands, of plastic bags over its lifetime.

http://reusablebags.com/facts.php



and


The answer to the "paper or plastic"? dilemma is: Neither. They're roughly equal in pros and cons. While convenient addictions, they both gobble up natural resources and cause significant pollution.


Issue 1: Energy and natural resources
It takes more than four times as much energy to manufacture a paper bag as it does to manufacture a plastic bag.

ENERGY TO PRODUCE BAG ORIGINALLY (BTUs)
Safeway Plastic Bags: 594 BTUs
Safeway Paper Bags: 2511 BTUs
(Source: 1989 Plastic Recycling Directory, Society of Plastics Industry.)

Of course, most paper comes from tree pulp, so the impact of paper bag production on forests is enormous. In 1999, 14 million trees were cut to produce the 10 billion paper grocery bags used by Americans that year alone. Paper bag production delivers a global warming double-whammy forests (major absorbers of greenhouse gases) have to be cut down, and then the subsequent manufacturing of bags produces greenhouse gases.

Issue 2: Pollution
The majority of kraft paper is made by heating wood chips under pressure at high temperatures in a chemical solution. As evidenced by the unmistakable stench commonly associated with paper mills, the use of these toxic chemicals contributes to both air pollution, such as acid rain, and water pollution. Millions of gallons of these chemicals pour into our waterways each year; the toxicity of the chemicals is long-term and settles into the sediments, working its way through the food chain. Further toxicity is generated as both plastic and paper bags degrade.

POLLUTANTS PAPER V.S. PLASTIC
Paper sacks generate 70% more air and 50 times more water pollutants than plastic bags.
Source: "Comparison of the Effects on the Environment of Polyethylene and Paper Carrier Bags," Federal Office of the Environment, August 1988

Issue 3: Recycling
It takes 91% less energy to recycle a pound of plastic than it takes to recycle a pound of paper. But recycling rates of either type of disposable bag are extremely low, with only 10 to 15% of paper bags and 1 to 3% of plastic bags being recycled, according to the Wall Street Journal.

ENERGY TO RECYCLE PACKAGE ONCE (BTUs)
Safeway Plastic Bags: 17 BTUs
Safeway Paper Bags: 1444 BTUs
Source: 1989 Plastic Recycling Directory, Society of Plastics Industry.

Although paper bags have a higher recycling rate than plastic, each new paper grocery bag you use is made from mostly virgin pulp for better strength and elasticity.

Issue 4: Degradability
Current research demonstrates that paper in today's landfills does not degrade or break down at a substantially faster rate than plastic does. In fact, nothing completely degrades in modern landfills because of the lack of water, light, oxygen and other important elements that are necessary for the degradation process to be completed. A paper bags takes up more space than a plastic bag in a landfill, but because paper is recycled at a higher rate, saving space in landfills is less of an issue.

At the end of the day using reusable bags and containers are the real answer!
http://reusablebags.com/facts.php?id=7


so what are you doing today to celebrate?

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:22 AM
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1. Indeed! We use these for grocery shopping:
http://www.lakeland.co.uk/product.aspx/!2155

Yes, they're from the UK. But I've had two since the mid-90s and they're still going strong. We just got two more. The new ones are even better; you get two, one with a zip-close cooler space built in to keep your frozen foods chilly. They have strong wooden handles and are roomy. Haven't found anything like them in the US. The grocery packers at our supermarket always ask us where we got them, they're so much better than the canvas bags.

On the CFL front, I've been gifting neighbors who haven't tried them yet with a 100-watt equivalent when I can in hopes of turning people on to them. Every little....
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:53 AM
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3. i've been doing the same thing with the cfls
and i've pretty much decided what my friends will be getting for christmas this year (four packs of cfls in as many canvas bags as i can afford to hand out--with a little information about the plastic bags--maybe topped off with a little magnet i found on cafe press that says: "save the earth. it's the only planet with chocolate"

yeah...i have an agenda.

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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 05:45 AM
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4. I really like your gift idea! Since I can sew well..
I'll sew up a few of the custom canvas bags I've designed for myself (they're a bit larger and stronger using "french seams", etc), add in a few cfl bulbs, one of my recycled art pieces, as well as other "green" things I can come up with and they'll be great gifts to give to family and friends! Depending on the time of year a gift needs to be given I could tuck in some seeds or saplings as well. :)

Except for two older "can" light fixtures (which we'll be switching out this Summer I hope) and a ceiling fan light (which takes those small base type bulbs (which I think are now available as cfls online) our house is lit by Mother Nature and cfls. We got into buying them when they came in two parts and you could only use them in (some) ordinary lamps first came out but the new ones are so much better and a whole lot less expensive. My DH is a big and long time fan of LEDS so as soon as they become less expensive and available in more sizes we'll probably switch to those.

Anyway.. .thanks for the inspiration. :thumbsup: Now you have my imagination chugging on a new idea... (like I need more. :D)
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 08:00 PM
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25. ...the only planet with chocolate.
:rofl:


The Earth Day Every Day reminded me of this Bill Maher column:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/the-birds-the-bees-and-_b_46410.html

snip...

New Rule: From now on Earth Day really must be a year round thing. And in honor of this Earth Day, starting Monday supermarket clerks must stop putting the big bottle of detergent with a handle on it in a plastic bag. I don't mean to tell you how to do your job, but you see that handle you just lifted the detergent with?

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 01:50 AM
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36. yes, that was good (the maher clip). someone posted it in the
political videos forum.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:44 AM
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2. yep!!
:patriot:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 05:51 AM
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5. Everyday is Earthday,
And thus you should always finding something to do to lessen your footprint on this Earth.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 06:10 AM
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6. It's like putting a bandaid on a stump
At the end of the day, a global ban on privately owned internal combustion vehicles, the complete end of coal fired power plants, the utter elimination of the entire petrochemical industry, the mass relocation of population, the end of commercial fishing, the old growth forestry, and the supression of industry in the developing world is the real answer.


PS My canvas Barneys bag was made in China. I bought it on sale for 10 bucks, marked down from 40. I had to drive to the outlet mall in Clinton, CT to get such a great price (20 miles from here).

PPS I had to earn the money required to buy that bag, drive to the mall, and drive my car. To earn that money, I had to attack the environment in a number of other ways including a commute to NYC.

PPPS I wonder who made my reusable canvas bag. I bet it was either children or criminals.

PPPPS I wonder how my canvas bag got from China to the US. Perhaps it walked over?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:20 PM
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12. If I could recommend a post today, so far it would be yours.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:44 PM
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27. so
what are we to do? nothing? just give up?
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 03:22 AM
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39. Either that or the unthhinkable
so I'm figuring that we'll probably wash out tuna fish tins and tell each other we're doing our part right up until it's even more glaringly obvious that the world is utterly fucked.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:10 AM
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29. I have yet to see you actual support any personal sacrifice towards this end
One of the very worst attitudes in the world is to wait for others to be the change you could be (to paraphrase), but its a convenient excuse to avoid doing anything yourself certainly.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 03:20 AM
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38. I don't support any personal sacrifice even a little
The culprits are massive industries, electrical generation, outright industrialization of the developing world.

No amount of washing out tuna fish tins is going to stop China from burning shitty coal to light Cheng Du.

Personal sacrifice is entirely symbolic and entirely useless. It's the equivalent of quitting smoking after you're diagnosed with stage 4 liver cancer.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 02:26 AM
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66. Wait, you're the one who refuses to take the train into Manhattan, right?
Edited on Wed Apr-25-07 02:29 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Yeah, you "had" to drive to an outlet mall 20 miles away to purchase a simple canvas bag. I guess that's how things are in CT.

And if you have no problem with outsourcing, you should have no problem buying a bag made in China.

As for the negative environmental consequences of plastic in our biosphere, haven't you seen anything from National Geographic? Have you read the surveys of billions of individual pieces of plastic rubbish (roughly one per square foot throughout the ocean) as it moves around the Pacific Gyre? Have you seen the footage of the 2 tons of trash that is collected daily at the mouth of the Los Angeles river?
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:15 AM
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7. How about no bags? If you drive to the store, just take the items
to your trunk in the cart. Hold your recipt in plain sight, just in case.(You know how if you shop at Costco.) Unless you have a long way to walk from car to house, just make several trips directly to your cabinets and refrigerator. Voila! No waste and more exercise, plus, everything goes where it belongs right away.

I do this at my mainstream grocery store and it never fails to elicit questions and then, "hey, that is a good idea"!

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:26 PM
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61. I've started doing this, too. nt
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 02:32 AM
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67. How about walk or bike to the grocery store? You need plastic or canvas for that.
I'm amazed by the number of people who won't walk or bike 1/2 mile to the grocery store to pick up 3 bags of groceries.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:55 AM
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8. This bag sounds very interesting!
http://tinyurl.com/26ogq2
My next favorite bag, which I don't own, comes from Earth Designs in Maplewood (a suburb of St. Louis, MO). The company is called 1 Bag at a Time and was founded by a Los Angeles environmentalist who uses 100 percent recycled polypropylene (that's plastic bags for the liberal arts majors). Each tote uses the petroleum from 11 plastic bags and can hold the load of up to four plastic bags. The product is machine washable. If each bag were used for one shopping trip a week, it would replace more than 400 plastic bags over its two-plus years lifetime, its maker says. The bag sells for $3.50 (or get it free if you spend $50 at Earth Designs).

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 09:21 AM
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9. Why not put a 5, or 10cent deposit on plastic bags to encourage
bring your own...

When they wear out, you can exchange for new ones, or recycle...
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 12:11 PM
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10. and
"5. Get stores to offer cash credits if you bring in your own bags. "
http://www.reusablebags.com/action.php?id=3
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:17 PM
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11. Our co-op takes a nickle off
if we bring our own bags. More and more people are doing it now..very encouraging.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:22 AM
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32. This is what they do in some European countries.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:23 PM
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13. NOT driving anywhere. Even to EarthDay festivities.
I am NOT driving to the store to buy food shipped in from all over and packaged in multilevel packages and then put into any sort of bag.
I am NOT having my lights on, even if they are CFs.
I am NOT spending the day on my computer or shopping even online for a new one.
I am NOT driving anywhere, even to EarthDay festivities. If I decide to go, I will bike.
I am NOT buying anything to celebrate EarthDay since Everyday is EarthDay.
I am NOT trying to be superior, just posting nots.

Peace.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:27 PM
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14. Paper sacks can make more then one trip to the market before tossing, too.
I'm just saying.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 03:59 PM
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16. check this out:

Issue 1: Energy and natural resources
It takes more than four times as much energy to manufacture a paper bag as it does to manufacture a plastic bag.

ENERGY TO PRODUCE BAG ORIGINALLY (BTUs)
Safeway Plastic Bags: 594 BTUs
Safeway Paper Bags: 2511 BTUs

(Source: 1989 Plastic Recycling Directory, Society of Plastics Industry.)

Of course, most paper comes from tree pulp, so the impact of paper bag production on forests is enormous. In 1999, 14 million trees were cut to produce the 10 billion paper grocery bags used by Americans that year alone. Paper bag production delivers a global warming double-whammy forests (major absorbers of greenhouse gases) have to be cut down, and then the subsequent manufacturing of bags produces greenhouse gases.

Issue 2: Pollution
The majority of kraft paper is made by heating wood chips under pressure at high temperatures in a chemical solution. As evidenced by the unmistakable stench commonly associated with paper mills, the use of these toxic chemicals contributes to both air pollution, such as acid rain, and water pollution. Millions of gallons of these chemicals pour into our waterways each year; the toxicity of the chemicals is long-term and settles into the sediments, working its way through the food chain. Further toxicity is generated as both plastic and paper bags degrade.

POLLUTANTS PAPER V.S. PLASTIC
Paper sacks generate 70% more air and 50 times more water pollutants than plastic bags.
Source: "Comparison of the Effects on the Environment of Polyethylene and Paper Carrier Bags," Federal Office of the Environment, August 1988

Issue 3: Recycling
It takes 91% less energy to recycle a pound of plastic than it takes to recycle a pound of paper. But recycling rates of either type of disposable bag are extremely low, with only 10 to 15% of paper bags and 1 to 3% of plastic bags being recycled, according to the Wall Street Journal.

ENERGY TO RECYCLE PACKAGE ONCE (BTUs)
Safeway Plastic Bags: 17 BTUs
Safeway Paper Bags: 1444 BTUs

Source: 1989 Plastic Recycling Directory, Society of Plastics Industry.

Although paper bags have a higher recycling rate than plastic, each new paper grocery bag you use is made from mostly virgin pulp for better strength and elasticity.

Issue 4: Degradability
Current research demonstrates that paper in today's landfills does not degrade or break down at a substantially faster rate than plastic does. In fact, nothing completely degrades in modern landfills because of the lack of water, light, oxygen and other important elements that are necessary for the degradation process to be completed. A paper bags takes up more space than a plastic bag in a landfill, but because paper is recycled at a higher rate, saving space in landfills is less of an issue.

At the end of the day using reusable bags and containers are the real answer!
http://www.reusablebags.com/facts.php?id=7

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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:37 PM
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15. The best canvas totes in the world:
http://tinyurl.com/mqku9

They are super durable, easy to carry, roomy and perfect for everything, including groceries. I use at least one LLBean tote every day.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:31 PM
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18. (nice totes--a bit too pricey for this struggling creative type) n/t
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:37 PM
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20. True - they are a little expensive, but they'll last forever.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 04:12 PM
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17. And, if you do have plastic bags, recyle them at a local grocery store.
Most grocery stores will recycle them - so take the ones you currently have there!

And then go out and buy a canvas bag!

Orleans - thank you for this post
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:34 PM
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19. Just bought two of 'em when I was at the store earlier today.
I'm planning to have 10-20 total, enough for a big shopping trip. I'm sick of those cheap plastic bags anyway.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:39 PM
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21. We use cardboard boxes which we keep in the car trunk
easy to pack and carry..and infinitely re-useable:)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 02:35 AM
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68. Shoppers Food Warehouse AND our local "vegetarian" co-op BOTH stopped providing pick-your-own boxes
At the checkout counter in lieu of bags.

Hows that for moving in the wrong direction? (And these are the local enviros... thinking improved recycling technology and hybrid cars meant they could simply drive more and start wasting bags again, for no good reason.)
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:44 PM
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22. 5th R for you orleans.
:kick::thumbsup::applause:

:hi:
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:19 AM
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30. (thanks nutmegger!) (smile) n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:51 PM
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23. Every day is earth day.
I honestly don't get the hype over this one stinking day.

Forgive me for being so poignant about this. I don't think earth day is worth a crap.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 07:57 PM
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24. I walked to the store to get my Earth Day beer & treats,
...and of course, I took my own canvas bag!

We purchased 3 bags about 5 years ago & use them all the time. Recently a new health food store opened & offered a free bag with a purchase of $50 or more. My sister found 2 at a thrift shop & gave them to me. (Nice of her to think of me, but I wish she would use them!) After putting groceries away, I fold the bags & set them under my car keys. Next time I go out, the bags go to the car. I haven't gotten a plastic bag in years!
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:47 PM
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26. The supermarket was selling the energy saving light bulbs for a dollar each
And when you bought 10 lightbulbs, which I did, you got 3 reusable shopping bags free. (This was at Stop & Shop.) Home Depot was giving out those lightbulbs free, while supplies last.

Did the success of "An Inconvenient Truth" and Al Gore's activism have anything to do with companies jumping on the Earth Day bandwagon this year?
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:07 AM
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28. K&R.nt
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:19 AM
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31. Environmental tip: cut down on use of chemicals
National Geographic Society's Green Guide: http://www.thegreenguide.com/reports/

and a Canadian Guide to Less Toxic Products:

http://www.lesstoxicguide.ca/index.asp?fetch=household#laun



“Chemicals have replaced bacteria and viruses as the main threat to health. The diseases we are beginning to see as the major causes of death in the latter part of (the 1900's) and into the 21st century are diseases of chemical origin.”
Dr. Dick Irwin, Toxicologist, Texas A&M University





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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 01:00 AM
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33. Free tote bag pattern for those who sew
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 03:05 AM
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71. Thanks. I was thinking about looking for something like this.
I sewn off and on for a few years, and am left with many remnants that would work great for these totes.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 01:04 AM
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34. when you get rid of your car, i'll stop using plastic bags.
deal?

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 01:31 AM
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35. then don't stop using plastic bags. thank god not everyone has such a negative attitude
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:54 AM
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42. what i'm saying is that my plastic bags do A LOT less harm your auto...
why should you be trying to make people feel bad about using plastic bags, when your car is a much bigger threat...? it just seems a bit, well...quite a bit hypocritical is all.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:04 AM
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44. Because it is easier by orders of magnitude
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 08:04 AM by alcibiades_mystery
to bring a couple of canvas bags to the store than it is to restructure the fucking transportation system? Hmmmm.

But this really says it all: "why should you be trying to make people feel bad..."

Yeah, this issue is all about your personal fucking feelings.

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:20 AM
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46. and the damage done by autos is worse by orders of magnitude...
than that done by plastic grocery bags.

and it MUST be about somebody's personal feelings- because that's all the canvas bag thing really is- a "feelgood" NON-solution to the climate change problem.
if people were REALLY concerned about the planet, they'd learn to get by with A LOT less car usage, rather than a lot less plastic shopping bag usage.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:40 AM
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47. Making the perfect the enemy of the good
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 10:42 AM by alcibiades_mystery
Because we can't do everything, we shouldn't do anything. (Which is to say, anything that is inconvenient)

The lovely philosophy of the irretrievably selfish.

I manage to reduce car use AND plastic use AND grocery packaging use! I must be a goddamn genius to do more than one thing at a time. Holy crap! It's not an either/or. People can try to do what they can. Wow.

And yes, it is a personal issue, to the extent that personal actions add up, in the aggregate. But that would mean giving a fuck about something other than your poor hurt feelings.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:58 PM
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50. no- i'm saying that we can and SHOULD do more.
your post is EXACTLY why we're going to lose the battle with climate change- people REFUSE to face up to the enormity of the issue, especially when it might affect the level of convenience the enjoy in their lives.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:19 PM
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54. Now I'm certain that we're talking past each other
If that's what you got from my post.

Salud.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:15 AM
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48. i know exactly what you're saying
and while i understand there are people who are simply too broke to be buying canvas bags, do you understand that there are some people who need a car (for various reasons such as what they do to support themselves & their family--not everyone can take public transit to work because not everyone goes to a single job location each day; for physical reasons--not everyone is able to walk to the store or ride a bike)

(but why should i have to explain this to anyone?)

your post sounds like you don't use a car. if that's the case then i would say you are definitely doing your part environmentally. i don't have the luxury to give up my car, so i do what i can in other ways. and i try to encourage others to do the same.

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:55 PM
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49. no, you CHOOSE not to give up your car...
because it's more importnat to you than the ultimate future of this planet.
multiply this by the number of people on the roads- and you'll understand why there's a problem.
nobody NEEDS their car- generations upon generations survived without them.
BUT- they make our lives much more convenient- so much so that we feel we can't live without them.

but we can, we have, and we very may well have to again very soon.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:01 PM
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56. good idea--beat the crap out of people who are at least concerned
and trying to make a difference. berate them. make them feel like shit. insult them for the changes they are making. humiliate them. take all your frustrations out on them. really give them incentive to do more.
good job! nicely done. give yourself a pat on the back.
and don't move to san francisco--i don't think your attitude would be too welcome:

SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- San Francisco's Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to become the first U.S. city to ban plastic bags from large supermarkets to help promote recycling.

Under the legislation, beginning in six months large supermarkets and drugstores will not be allowed to offer plastic bags made from petroleum products.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/27/environment.baggs.reut/index.html



what are you going to do when daley follows san fran's lead? move to the burbs? (look out! you might need a car out here)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 02:36 AM
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69. I don't own a car. Which means I tend to need plastic bags
Edited on Wed Apr-25-07 02:40 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Because they are recyclable at any grocery store (outside of the New York metropolitan area, where no one seem to have never heard of recycling plastic bags) and you need something for carrying groceries on a bike...

My local grocery store and hardware store finally started selling those pushcarts for buying groceries on foot, without a car. Nobody in my town had ever heard of them, apparently.
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 03:12 AM
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37. Another suggestion: collapsible crates
I first saw these when my mother brought them back from Europe. It took me forever to find these online, but, the right search words made the difference. There are several suppliers ad some even offer ones with wheels, for those who walk to the store.Just do a search for "collapsible crates". They come in different strengths and sizes to fit your needs. They also make it faster and easier to carry in those groceries. You might have to tell the baggers to not put them in the plastic bags and then into the crate! :eyes:

Here's one source I've found that seems really affordable.:

collapsible crates from Brylane


Want to know what really made Germany change with consumption? They are charged per pound for their garbage. So, their pocketbook dictated that they needed to reduce, reuse and recycle. When the consumers demand less packaging and more recyclable materials, then the producers must take heed and act accordingly. Just a thought.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 03:17 PM
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52. These are great, and the price is right, thanks!
What I like about them is that you can wash them. I have often thought about getting a reusable tote for groceries, but many of them don't appear to be washable, which I think is necessary when you consider some of the food that might leak onto them.
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:08 PM
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59. And they lay flat on the bottom of the shopping cart
In England they have these really cool heavy duty plastic bag-like crates. They actually clip onto the shopping cart to be filled! Man, I wish we could get more innovative solutions in this country too!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:10 AM
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40. We need to do what Ireland did ...
You can't just ask everyone not to use plastic bags that are handed out at every store. Only a small percentage of the American population cares enough to use canvas bags, although of course every little bit helps. But disposable bag use needs to be discouraged on a wide scale to have any real impact.

In 2001, Ireland consumed 1.2 billion plastic bags, or 316 per person. An extremely successful plastic bag consumption tax, or PlasTax, introduced in 2002 reduced consumption by 90%. Approximately 18,000,000 liters of oil have been saved due to this reduced production. Governments around the world are considering implementing similar measures.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:56 AM
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41. and what about
plastic garbage bags? Aren't they just as bad? I don't know of anyone who doesn't use those. They certainly do make handling any kind of garbage a lot nicer.

Is there a source for biodegradable trash bags that you know of?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #41
57. i recently bought a box of seventh generation plastic trash bags
they are made mostly from recycled plastic

http://www.seventhgeneration.com/our_products/supplies.php

it's the best thing i've been able to find so far (haven't had the chance to try them yet)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 02:42 AM
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70. They are cheap, but small and crappy, they need to increase the amount of plastic
Ironically.

After all, most of it isn't getting recycled, so if they increased the ply strength on their 100% recycled bags they'd be increasing the demand for recycled plastic, right?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:01 AM
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43. I have 3 that say
War is costly, empty boots and other side
peace is priceless.
The grocery baggers like them!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:16 AM
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45. Can't rec but I can certainly kick!
I took my daughter to the Zoo and got our annual membership there. Place was PACKED and our zoo isn't really all that great. Plenty were out for the Earth Day party.

Later that evening my daughter and I walked up to the grocery (left the car parked) but thanks for the reminder on foregoing plastic bags. I have a tote bag I could use along with a backpack for when I need to get more than a few items. Time to start making use of them!!

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:59 PM
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51. I love my canvas bags
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:26 PM
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53. Done and done.
Now if I could just remember to take them into all stores . . .
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irish.lambchop Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:51 PM
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55. I use canvas bags
when grocery shopping. I spend half the year in Ireland and if you request bags at the markets there, they charge you for same - something I think should be implemented here.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:16 PM
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58. i agree--people need to start being charged for the bags.
unfortunately money seems to be more of an incentive rather than for people to simply to the right thing.

when i read that ireland was charging per bag i thought: brilliant!

btw--welcome to du, irish.lambchop
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irish.lambchop Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:52 PM
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62. Brilliant! Yes indeed!
There are also recycle centers throughout Ireland - none of this special pick-up thing like here and people actually make the trip to recycle - glass bottles, paper products, plastic, etc. Amazing to see people participating even when we would consider it 'inconvenient'.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:23 PM
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60. Thanks I just ordered some
I can't stop the fascists but I can stop the plastic bags which are not only rotten to the environment and wildlife but are ugly and annoying.

NOW the habit to always have them in the car when I'm out. It's a habit I suppose just like recycling which I have done for twenty years. I wouldn't think of throwing out cans or glass or paper so it's the same mindset. It might take awhile but finally it's time to do it!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 01:00 AM
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64. it is a bit of a mindset--remembering to use the canvas bags.
i've come back in the house to get them...i'm just glad i never made it to the store before remembering.

you get the hang of it pretty easy though.

thanks for taking the incentive!
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:00 PM
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63. Thank You - I will bag it (not in plastic) from now on! n/t
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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 01:57 AM
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65. Can anyone suggest cheap, enviro-friendly doggie crap bags?
I have seen the biodegradables at the store, but they are kinda pricey. Anyone have some suggestions? We use the plastic bags at the store so that we can then use them when we walk the dog, but it's not an ideal situation. I'd like to find an alternative solution.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-25-07 03:15 AM
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72. I will get smacked to suggest this: is having a dog in a city sustainable living?
If you truly want to practice green?

As much as we would like a dog, we don't keep one because we live in a villa that does not provide for the space needs of a dog... We could probably finesse a small one, but heat is a problem here and also long vacations during summer... :(
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