Howard speaks for me on this legislation. Check in if he speaks for you.

[cali]

Yes, I trust him on healthcare issues. Yes, I think he would support something he thought would help rather than hurt. Yes, I think he wanted desperately to support this legislation and only spoke out because he thinks it's worse than nothing.

[DontTreadOnMe]

1. Yes, he speaks for me.

Someone I can TRUST.

[bonnieS]

136. One of about five I trust

Definitely --I thought he was being too kind to the bill for a very long time.

[MercutioATC]

2. I take issue with his preexisting conditions claim, but he speaks for me.

Kill it.

[JVS]

3. Hello! Howard was willing to be flexible for a very long time, but this has gone too far!

[ThomWV]

4. He speaks for me

[peace frog]

5. I stand with Dr. Dean

[deutsey]

6. For someone who has passionately supported the bill to turn against it

so abruptly after what Lieberman has done to it should give everyone pause.

[AzDar]

7. I'm doing the Dean Scream as I type...

That the Obama Administration has thrown Gov. Dean under the bus on this issue speaks volumes...about that Administration :grr:

[Bette Noir]

103. You should have heard me scream at the TV when I saw that weasel Gibbs

called Dean "irrational." I'd like to show him some irrational...

[katkat]

118. Gibbs?

Gibbs said that? A link to that? The WH is worse than I thought.

[Libertas1776]

8. Check!

Dean speaks for me.

[Donnachaidh]

9. he speaks for ALL of us -- some are just too blind to see that. n/t

[DebbieCDC]

10. Howard has spoken for me for a long time.

Also read Glenn Greenwald today in Salon re HCR and see how we've been screwed before the debate ever began.

[county worker]

11. Way before this last election it came to me that what we needed in this country in the way of health

care reform was a two tiered system.

One for those who wanted to pay insurance companies like they are doing now and one for those who don't. That idea seemed to me to satisfy everyone. It wasn't 100% single payer so the anti government gang could opt out of government provided health care if they wanted.

The rest of us could go someplace other than to the insurance companies. We could have single payer system for those of us who wanted it.

I did not call it a public option but that is the name that was put on it. Dr Dean was saying the same thing a long time ago. He spoke for me then and now.


How anyone can accept the idea that the government should mandate that you spend money for something that isn't in your best interest is way beyond my thinking ability. And to say that forcing somebody to buy insurance is providing insurance coverage is like saying a thief is providing you the opportunity to donate to him!

[jesus_of_suburbia]

12. Yes

[optimator]

13. Obama really fucked up by attacking Dean

the Democratic Party civil war is now on.

[truebrit71]

35. Agreed. Not cool to attack the guy that helped your party get back into power...

...This aloof, stand-offish, above-the-fray horsehit has to stop...

Time to cash in some of that REAL political capital you were given last Novemeber Mr. President!

[jonnyblitz]

14. k & r.

:hi:

[Waiting For Everyman]

15. Yup. Dean and Sanders.

Crap legislation which will do us HARM needs to die. We have enough problems. And accepting crap legislation is mostly how we got them.

You know the "definition of insanity", right? Nuff said.

[begin_within]

16. Absolutely.

[yellowwood]

17. If Howard Thinks Its's Bad

It's bad

[bigtree]

18. on this issue

I trust his judgment on this. I'm not ready to say that he speaks for me. Your senator certainly does.

[grantcart]

19. He may be understating it a little bit because he is trying to be diplomatic.

and right now Howard Dean is President Obama's best friend. If this passes and people see how this plan plays out they will be remember Dean.

[PDittie]

20. Pretty much has always spoken for me

Only had that sig pic down there for a few years now.

[golddigger]

21. Dean is the man.

[bigwillq]

22. Checking in.

K and R.

[Nite Owl]

23. He does

He is one of the few that can be trusted.

[mike_c]

24. yup, Dean speaks for me, yet again....

eom

[NoodleyAppendage]

25. He's got my vote. Finally someone with backbone to say "FU" to Rahm and his DLCers. n/t

J

[ThePhilosopher04]

26. Yes!! nm

nm

[Cleita]

27. I agree with you. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

28. Yeeeaaarrrggghhh!

:patriot:

[wryter2000]

29. I'm with Dr. Dean n/t

n/t

[OneGrassRoot]

30. I trust him the most on this issue. n/t

[Larkspur]

31. Yep, I trust Dean more on health care reform than Obama

[dajoki]

32. K&R

[madfloridian]

33. He has mostly been supportive of the bill until now...when Joe runs the show.

I disagree with him on several things like the opt out. But he never has really been critical until now.

They turned the whole party over to Lieberman...and Nelson and Landrieu.

[highplainsdem]

34. He speaks for me. K & R.

[Blasphemer]

36. Yes, he does. nt

[Odin2005]

37. I support Dean, KILL THE BILL!!!

[freddie mertz]

38. Howard speaks for me.

I'm sad it came to this kind of division, but the truth must be told.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

39. I don't think it's worse than nothing, but I do think it's not good enough.

But yes, I trust Dean on this issue. He's pragmatic and sees the big picture and if he says that it isn't worth passing, I trust him.

[madfloridian]

40. He has an op ed in the WP about it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/16/AR2009121601906.html

Last two paragraphs:

"In Washington, when major bills near final passage, an inside-the-Beltway mentality takes hold. Any bill becomes a victory. Clear thinking is thrown out the window for political calculus. In the heat of battle, decisions are being made that set an irreversible course for how future health reform is done. The result is legislation that has been crafted to get votes, not to reform health care.

I have worked for health-care reform all my political life. In my home state of Vermont we have accomplished universal health care for children under 18 and real insurance reform -- which not only bans discrimination against preexisting conditions but also prevents insurers from charging outrageous sums for policies as a way of keeping out high-risk people. I know health reform when I see it, and there isn't much left in the Senate bill. I reluctantly conclude that, as it stands, this bill would do more harm than good to the future of America."

[TheWebHead]

41. the funny thing is watching CNBC today

there were republicans laughing at the prospect of Dean speaking for them as well... If he can help kill the bill, republicans will likely gain significant ground next November so you'd keep an existing system still w/ pre-existing, lifetime caps, 48+million w/o coverage, and no assistance for those who can't afford coverage... all because whining dems didn't get everything they wanted.

[disndat]

146. If this bill passes and signed,

it will be a bigger disaster for the Democratic party.

[sabrina 1]

181. Democrats are responsible for the possibility of a Republican

takeover in 2010. I will never forgive them for that. Or Obama as he is just as responsible, perhaps more so. Thanks for reminding me of one more disaster the Dems we all worked so hard for, are responsible for.

You need to give up blaming the people for this.

They betrayed the people who voted for them. And finally the people have had enough. Did they really think there was no limit to how much they could disrespect the people?

THEY, spineless, bought-and-paid-for Democrats are responsible if they allow a Republican takeover in 2010. THEY could stop that, by getting some spine, by ditching their corporate masters and remembering who sent them to DC. The country is in their hands.

So far, they seem bound and determined to hand it over to Republicans. We'll see, maybe the outrage they are witnessing now will finally get through to them. But there was never a chance of getting their attention by continuing to reward them for contant betrayals of those who elected them.

[David Zephyr]

42. Dean started the ball rolling as Governor of Vermont when the rest were talking.

!

[Melissa G]

43. yup. n/t

[ljm2002]

44. Checking in!

Howard Dean speaks for me on this issue.

[chimpymustgo]

45. K&R. Dean is HONEST and BRAVE. And knows of what he speaks.

[hwmnbn]

46. Dr. Dean speaks for me too!

[leeroysphitz]

47. I'm glad Dean is there. He's the only person with any clout looking out for us on HCR.

(and that seems to include the president.)

[B Calm]

48. DAMN RIGHT he's speaking for me!

[AllentownJake]

49. Howard Dean speaks for me nt.

[jgraz]

50. He doesn't speak for me, but I sure as fuck agree with him on this issue.

[cali]

54. that's why I specified "on this issue". n/t

[jgraz]

55. Yep. I just never liked the "speaks for me" phraseology.

Too easy for people to paste you as a Deaniac (or whatever epithet they're using these days).

[stillrockin]

187. Calm down. It's just an idiom.

[Babel_17]

51. yup nt

[sendero]

52. Dean is one..

.. of the very small handful of politicians that I still trust.

He hung in there, endorsing this fiasco until it was stripped bare of any value.

[beaglelover]

53. You bet! n/t

[DireStrike]

56. Hey.

I say here not that I agree with Dean's stance... rather, HE agrees with MINE.

[MNDemNY]

57. yup.

[ceile]

58. K&R

[PassingFair]

59. As usual.

He has the country's interest at heart.

[damntexdem]

60. Yes.

Here's to tantrums and crybabies! The Dem Party needs much more of them.

[sagesnow]

61. I'm Still a Deaniac and

he's right.

[immoderate]

62. Check.

--imm

[Individualist]

63. Checking in

[tbyg52]

64. Here.

:patriot:

[dpbrown]

65. Howard speaks for me

This bill is worse than a sellout, I think it's what was planned all along.

[Goldstein1984]

66. Yes, he speaks for me on HCR. If only because this bill

mandates new customers for the insurance industry.

That's what pisses me off the most.

Why not just send recruits to Al Qaeda while we're at it? (Sorry, I forgot we're doing that by escalating in Afghanistan.)

[varelse]

67. Checking in

Howard Dean is right.

[Raine]

68. I stand with Howard Dean nt

:thumbsup:

[mod mom]

69. As usual, I stand w Dr/Gov Dean. How dare Robert Gibbs-a bad political decision

to call Dr Dean irrational. What's he trying to do alienate the base? real smart! :sarcasm:

[Bushknew]

70. If Dean runs for the presidency, I guarantee my vote to him...

I guarantee I will not vote for Obama again.

[LooseWilly]

71. I'm sold on Dean...

Almost enough to feel bad for voting for Kerry in the '04 primary...

[Union Yes]

72. Agree knr nt

[asdjrocky]

73. He was the first candidate I worked for in 2004.

He speaks for me.

[likesmountains 52]

74. On this issue...he's the man.

[chill_wind]

75. Checking in. K & R.

[yurbud]

76. Howard was the candidate in 2004 that terrified corporate America because he could have won and

they didn't own him.

[MessiahRp]

86. I now want Dean to attempt to primary Obama. It's clear that with Obama, corporatism reigns...

nt

[rateyes]

77. My rec takes it to 99.

He speaks for me, too. :hi:

[Dinger]

78. Kick & Rec # 100

For Howard.

[MissDeeds]

79. Howard speaks for me

K&R

[TankLV]

80. Yep - he speaks for me...

and I think I'm beginning to fall in love with YOU, Cali!!!

[DesertFlower]

81. yes. nt

[iandhr]

82. FROM ONE ADOPTED VERMONTER TO ANOTHER

GO DEAN GO

[mitchtv]

83. yes

tired of weak Dems

[Jefferson23]

84. Agree 100%, and Dean is taking the heat from this, but it needed to be stated.

[IsItJustMe]

85. This bill stinks to high heaven. It needs to die an unglamorous death. I also believe that at this

point, being striped of anything that comes close to honestly helping the average American citizen, that it is indeed a corporate give away program at the expense of crinimalizing and victimizing the people of this country who can least affort it.

It's a horrible bill, and I believe that when it comes right down to it, these people who are supporting it don't have our best interests at heart.

[Sunnyshine]

87. Check.

Say it again:

Yes, I trust him on healthcare issues. Yes, I think he would support something he thought would help rather than hurt. Yes, I think he wanted desperately to support this legislation and only spoke out because he thinks it's worse than nothing.

[lonestarnot]

88. In.

[Atticus]

89. To quote a razor-sharp political wit, "You betcha!" nt

[arthritisR_US]

90. damn straight! n/t

[adamuu]

91. I have to admit, it was hard to hear the truth. n/t

[girl_interrupted]

94. Howard speaks me and for

my husband, and my family & friends. My telephone has been ringing off the hook, since KO's special commentary tonight. Boy are people pissed! I can't thank Dr Dean enough for speaking out. Democrat or not....when something is wrong, you say it, not follow like a bunch of sheep. A lot of us are angry too, about the White House going after Dean and coddling Lieberman. Sickening. And that Mary Landrieu on "Hardball", tonite going after Dean. Remember how Anderson Cooper went after her, because she was thanking bush for all the "help" he was giving Louisiana during Katrina? Cooper flipped the f*** out:

Katrina: Anderson Cooper Berates Senator Landrieu; "There Was A Body On The Streets...Being Eaten By Rats,"

"Last night, CNN's Anderson Cooper abandoned the old persona to throttle Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., in a live interview. (See the video or read the transcript "Does the federal government bear responsibility for what is happening now? Should they apologize for what is happening now?" Cooper opened."

"As if campaigning before the local Democratic Ladies' Club lunch, Landrieu sing-songed back, "Anderson, there will be plenty of time to discuss all of those issues, about why, and how, and what, and if." She went on to thank President Bush. Her condescending filibuster continued: "Anderson, tonight, I don't know if you've heard—maybe you all have announced it—but Congress is going to an unprecedented session to pass a $10 billion supplemental bill tonight to keep FEMA and the Red Cross up and operating."

"Cooper suspended the traditional TV rules of decorum and, approaching tears of fury, said:

"Excuse me, Senator, I'm sorry for interrupting. I haven't heard that, because, for the last four days, I've been seeing dead bodies in the streets here in Mississippi. And to listen to politicians thanking each other and complimenting each other, you know, I got to tell you, there are a lot of people here who are very upset, and very angry, and very frustrated."

"And when they hear politicians slap—you know, thanking one another, it just, you know, it kind of cuts them the wrong way right now, because literally there was a body on the streets of this town yesterday being eaten by rats because this woman had been laying in the street for 48 hours. And there's not enough facilities to take her up. " http://www.slate.com/id/2125581


We all know how bush "helped" the victims of Katrina. And it was her buddy Joe Lieberman that stopped further investigations into what wrong during Katrina...God Forbid the bush administration would be blamed. She makes me sick, she's such a phoney.


Thank you Dr Dean, I wish more Democrats were like you.

[patrice]

92. I trust Dr. Dean to speak for my best interests.

[sad sally]

93. Dr. Dean speaks for this house.

Sad to see the lack of respect the W/House is showing toward him.

[Billsmile]

95. Dean Being Real

He comes across as totally honest, informed, and somebody who's only in it for the public.

How can you not be with him?

[tan guera]

97. Dean/Feingold/Grayson?

2012

[houston mark]

96. Yes, I have to say I agree.

I am extremely disappointed with the Democratic Party. This is NOT the change I voted for.

[Yavapai]

98. he speaks for me!!!

[hardtoport]

99. Yes, I'm with Howard.

Kill this POS and start over.

[salib]

100. Yes, he does

[deacon]

101. Absolutely- this bill is horrid and should not be passed. n/t

[Bette Noir]

102. +100

Now, I have to email Obama to tell him he owes Dean an apology.

[Oilwellian]

104. I completely stand behind Dean

Rahm has miscalculated the backlash.

[Justitia]

105. Howard Dean speaks for me! -eom

[BlueIdaho]

106. Truth to Power.

[liberal_at_heart]

107. Way to speak up Howard Dean

I think those who have the courage to stand up against this corporate sponsered healthcare bill are gaining strength. I'm starting to feel encouraged by all those willing to stand up and fight.

[Hatchling]

108. Check

[Mithreal]

109. K&R sadly, yes

[slinkerwink]

110. I'm with him on this.

[Egnever]

111. Well You know Dean is my guy Cali

But I like to read things for myself before I make up my mind. Howard speaking out does concern me though.

[Downwinder]

112. I'm in.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

113. check.

[democrank]

114. Dr. Dean speaks for me.

I trust him.

[onethatcares]

115. I'm in

this bullshit they're trying to pass off is too much for anyone in their right mind to think it's reform.

Go Howard Dean,

and don't give a damn about any type of scream.

[Ganja Ninja]

116. He's right on! n/t

[NoPasaran]

117. Years later, WE HAVE THE POWER!

[sandyj999]

119. Yes!

[kag]

120. Before Howard had even come out with his "No" recommendation...

I had called my senators and told them that unless the public option or the medicare buy-in was put BACK INTO THE BILL that I wanted them to vote against it. You're DAMN RIGHT Howard speaks for me!

[RayOfHope]

121. Dr. Dean speaks for me n/t

[Ninga]

122. yes n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

123. dit + toe

[Joanne98]

124. Yep

[Autumn Colors]

125. K&R for TRUTH from the good doctor! (nt)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

126. Howard speaks for me.

[Shagbark Hickory]

127. I've been critical of Dean lately but I agree w/ him that this needs to go to reconciliation. nt

[RedCloud]

128. Ready to fight the Titans who stand in our way.

:patriot:

[bertman]

129. He does. Rec.

[Tailormyst]

130. Yes- I stand with Dean

[bluestateboomer]

131. Yeah

[freddie mertz]

132. YES HE DOES! nt.

[katsy]

133. yes.

[CTyankee]

134. Dean has been consistently coherent and knowledgeable on health care reform

I cannot fault him for his stand on this bill. He was articulating his problems with the legislation all along. He is standing with his principles.

I cannot argue with Dr. Dean's diagnosis and prescription for a cure...

[RainDog]

135. Dean in 2012

fuck the corporate democratic party.

[zeemike]

137. Kill the bill.....K&R

[peekaloo]

138. K&R

:patriot:

[rhett o rick]

139. rec. We could accept this piece of crap bill hoping to build on it, but we dont have to.

We dont have to settle for crap. Congress should be working for us. If we dont like what they are doing we need to change them out.

[susanr516]

140. Checking in

k & r

[Laelth]

141. Checking in. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Canuckistanian]

142. K&R

[pleah]

143. K&R

[Vidar]

144. Yes. Dean has never let us down; whereas that is all Obama has done.

[icee]

145. He speaks for me also.

d

[mackdaddy]

147. We need the truth tellers on this. Keep on it Dr Dean! nt

[TomClash]

148. I agree

We can't keep compromising while the other side just keeps taking. The guy took a stand. The mandates make it hard to swallow now that there is no public option.

[bighart]

149. Heck yes he does

[RainDog]

150. here's one for the good doctor

[bvar22]

151. Here.

:patriot:

[AllexxisF1]

152. He speaks for me!

Dean has always spoke for me and what the White House and Senate Democrats are doing is nothing short of scandalous.

[saracat]

153. He speaks for me.

[Peregrine Took]

154. Yes, Howard Dean speaks for me! n/t

[valerief]

155. Yep. Mandated insurance and no regulations on the for-profits?

Duh! That's INSANE!!!!!!

[area51]

156. Agreed. (n/t)

[Papagoose]

157. He speaks for me

They can shove this garbage legislation where the sun don't shine for all I care.

[NoodleyAppendage]

158. Speaks for me. And will get my vote if he runs again. FU White House / DLC-lovin' whores. n/t

J

[Celtic Merlin]

159. KILL. THE. BILL. [n/t]

[Jackpine Radical]

160. I'm here. And thanks for asking for a check-in rather than shamelessly

shilling for a rec.

K&R

[sandyj999]

161. He absolutely speaks for me!

[RoccoR5955]

162. I stand with Dr. Dean n/t

[DonkeyHoTay]

177. Howie do it !

As Uma would say, "Kill bill!"

ONE GREAT BIG DONKEY-HO-TAY KICK AND REC FOR DR HOWARD DEAN
AND FOR THE POOR OF AMERICA WHO SO SORELY NEED UNIVERSAL
HEALTH CARE.

[colsohlibgal]

163. Check

You go Howard Dean!

[Emillereid]

164. I love Howard Dean and he speaks for me on the travesty that passes for HCR.

[marlakay]

165. Totally they are treating him like crap

because how dare he speak against the shell of a bill they want to pass so they can go down in history as passing Health Care.

Right...passing a bill that forces people to get insurance even if they can't afford it.

And the insurance companies win...

[Blue Owl]

166. He's REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE

His people are a vanishing breed in our democracy, when we need them the most...

[kenichol]

167. Check

Check

[memory]

168. YES!

[RubyDuby in GA]

169. Rec # 300 here. And Howie always speaks for me.

He speaks for me, my hubby and our son Carter DEAN (who was named after him).

[paulk]

170. he speaks for me

and I've never been a big fan of his

[eleny]

171. The more time passes, the more I feel he's more in our corner

[dgibby]

172. He gets my support. n/t

[Vincardog]

173. I stand with Howard. I called my Senator to tell him so.

[winyanstaz]

174. Dang right he does :) you go DEAN!!!!

(and so does Kucinich and Gray :)

[DKRC]

175. I trust the Dr

on this more than anyone else I've heard from to date.

:kick:

[midnight]

176. Thanks Cali.

[RampantLion]

178. My Progressive Movement!

Yes. I support Doctor Dean and his call to Kill the Senate Health care Reform Bill. Should have been killed the day President Obama took universal coverage off the table, but Howard Dean is right--there are some good things, but way too many more bad "gifts" for the Health care Industrial Complex. Kill it!

BTW, this is my first posting after joining your underground. I'm looking forward to new focus on the Progressive movement. Personally, my opinion, I'm sick of this two-party system and ready to re-register as an Independent. I'm still hopeful that the Progressive Movement can take over the Democratic Party, but our government in Washington, DC is corrupted. As soon as we send a to Washington, he gets corrupted by special interest groups and corporate lobbyists. It must be something in the water there, or corporate personhood...

Rampant rantings...

RL

[Marr]

179. Yeah, I'm with Dean on this.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

180. Dr. Dean speaks for me now and 2012.

[glinda]

182. Yes he does speak for me.

[shadowknows69]

183. K+R

[madrchsod]

184. yes he does

[ChiciB1]

185. Checking In!! We Must Help Howard NOW!! Axelrod On MSNBC This AM

ON THE ATTACK! Why are they doing this to him?? I really know, but it's LOW-DOWN as far as I'm concerned!

JMHO

[stillrockin]

186. Howard Dean has integrity. He's standing up for all of us.

[bikesein]

188. Just Checking In

For Dr. Dean!

K&R

[DebbieCDC]

189. Yes he speaks for me too.

[Puglover]

190. I stand with Dr. Dean

Period.

[TheDebbieDee]

191. He speaks for me! A bad bill is worse than no bill!

Phuck the repukes and the conservative Dems. Kill that bill!

Then, revoke anti-trust exemption for health insurance. Then start work on a new healthcare reform policy/bill.

[democracy1st]

192. Kick

[debunkthelies]

193. Checking in...

I agree with him.:thumbsup:

[Hello_Kitty]

194. Very well said.

Dean has been one of the loudest voices calling for HCR. As you say, if this bill were a net positive, even a tiny one, he'd get behind it.

[elocs]

195. Here is a kick for an OP posted on Wednesday, 16 Dec. and now on page 20 of GD. n/t