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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:14 PM Original message |
The United States Dept. of Justice just argued in front of the Supreme Court that torture is de fact |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well, he's made it change-y and hopeful, at least... |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Hopeful torture! YAY |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. My hair hurts. Thank you for posting. This gets more painful with every day, every piece of news. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. agreed. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. I know. I'm at the point where I'm deliberately filtering |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. How very, very hopeful and changealicious! n/t |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. changiness.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. Do you have a link that I can read? |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. ooops...here: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Thank you! |
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mullard12ax7 (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Here's a simple research hint |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Um, I didn't "demand" anything, Mr. Intertubes Tough Guy. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. It is expected that when you post something you post the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. And more than that, that way we can see the same thing the OP is seeing |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. Let's see -- human beings are not people, but corporations are? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. OMG, good catch. That's our changiness! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's comforting to the apologists that "not persons" can be tortured. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. kick |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. Change and Hope |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
13. I have a hypothesis. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. That's what I'm thinking as well. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. If you read the article, you would see the arguements are LAW. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Thanks. I was remiss, and didn't read the article. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. But his Justice Department is not letting these cases proceed |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
48. Believe it or not, |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
14. Obama's claim that he "outlawed torture" is part of the coverup |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. If it were really outlawed, we would see convictions or at least indictments. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. No, you don't understand. He *just* outlawed it. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Damn, they are protected ex post facto. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
47. Well put. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
19. the law obviously has to be changed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. When has the CIA given a sh!t about the law? n/t |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. when |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. DoD has its own intellegence agencies but clearly CIA |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. The United States should set an example to the world |
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Mira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. I am too digusted with them to speak.... Recommended |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
22. Well, another change. For the worse. nt |
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mullard12ax7 (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. I'm calling my elected leaders and demanding something they'll never do |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'm sorry but there is no difference between Holder's Justice Dep't |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
31. "USA"..."USA"..."USA"... |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
34. dixiegrrrrl... I went to see |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Triple ARRRGGHHHH. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. What was the legal issue |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Helpful hint. I think it is in the amicus brief from the U.S. Attorney's office. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Obama dropped the term Enemy Combatant |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
39. This is reprehensible. At this I can only say, Obama double-crossed us but good. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
41. Detainees, guilty or not, are not persons. But coroporations are. What a world... n/t |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
42. Does this square with the idea that Obama dropped use of the term Enemy Combatant. |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
46. Obama has a new Guantanamo |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
49. K&R I can't take anymore "change" nt |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
51. There is a tipping point coming in the support of this administraion. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 05:52 AM Response to Original message |
52. Sick country |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-16-09 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
53. Why are they putting state secrets ahead of the rule of law? |
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